Officer won't sign order for troop pro-homosexual indoctrination

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Annee
Straight men could feel flattered if they weren't insecure.

Do you mean 1, 2, 3 or 4?

And this goes for everyone using this word repeatedly

I mean "get over it"

You mean nothing
You almost have no opinion, nothing but one-liners
even your mutliple line posts are one-liners

just a bunch of
"oh wow"
"I am in fear"
"oh bla bla"

I'm sorry but you barely even have an opinion

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by EssenSieMich

 

Is there a clear definition for justifiable homicide, other than the obvious? I broke into that guys house, he pointed a gun at me therefor it was self defense! I invaded that guys country, he pointed a gun at me, therefore it was self defense! How far can you really stretch that?

Don't get on me, I'm just explaining it, it's not like I wrote the book. But yes, basically you could make anything justifiable homicide by just passing a law. Do I think that's right - no of course not, I was just answering your question.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

It is really quite simple. If you agree to kill perfect strangers because you are told to, you are all done using the bible to justify anything you think, say, or do.

But that's your opinion, and if you don't like it, move to another country which the majority supports your views, instead of pushing your moral insanity upon the rest of the population.

Yes, that is my opinion - that you suffer from moral insanity - and I'm just as entitled to it as you are to yours.

reply to post by Annee


Lol that is very true! In fact, I once used to think hockey was a white only sport, until a black man joined the Rangers. Then not too long after a latino! I was shocked to say the least. I am uncomfortable showering with men period. I never been forced to. Maybe if I was forced to since a young age, it would be a different story.

A gay soldier who thinks your butt is hot will watch your back like no other. Same wth female soldiers. Who among you is going to let some hot chick get shot by the enemy? The marines, who are the military's watch dogs, should be an all gay unit. Wouldn't you want an all gay unit protecting your precious little heinie? Plus who is going to strike more fear into the hadjis, a bunch of hootin' and hollerin' hillbilly homophobes or a crack gay unit?

Gay all the way. Kick the herteros out of the military. They can't cut it. They've lost every war the US has been in since Grenada.

Originally posted by Gseven
But that's your opinion, and if you don't like it, move to another country which the majority supports your views, instead of pushing your moral insanity upon the rest of the population.

This has nothing to do with patriotism or majority rule. The bible is written as is. You do not vote regularly on which pages to ignore and which to give special attention. It says what it says. I am not anti-military. But if you want to cry about your Jesus, do not have the job of killer. It takes all the wind out of your sails.

Yes, that is my opinion - that you suffer from moral insanity - and I'm just as entitled to it as you are to yours.

Your Jesus and your bible say killing perfect strangers is ok? I say you are lying and confusing yourself in the process. This is about the man in the OP and his bible. I read his bible. His bible says killing is bad.

reply to post by FarArcher



There is only one flaw with your assessment of "how it is" . There are already gays serving in combat units and I haven't heard of any incidents due someone being gay. Chances are you may have service with one and didn't even know it. So I doubt it would be the big problem you feel it would be unless certain folks cannot control thi9er emotions and thus thier prejudice.

Also other military forces have them serving openly in combat units such as the Israelis with no problems so if it is a problem in the US then it is purely prejudice and ignorance that makes it a problem.

reply to post by EssenSieMich


I am not trying to be a jerk lol. A law wrote by man is below the law wrote by god, if you are a believer is my line of thinking. If the catholic/christian god is real, and how the bible says, and you try to say that what you did was legal according to man's law, I think he would LOL and kick you down the elevator shaft into hell.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Annee

 

Lol that is very true! In fact, I once used to think hockey was a white only sport, until a black man joined the Rangers. Then not too long after a latino! I was shocked to say the least. I am uncomfortable showering with men period. I never been forced to. Maybe if I was forced to since a young age, it would be a different story.

Ya know the "co-ed" shower thing is just a type of metaphor for "norm becomes norm".

But seriously - - if situation forced it - - it wouldn't be a big deal. It would just be accepted. Because that's how life works.

reply to post by TKDRL


I went to a nudist beach once with this girl and her family - which i thought was twisted - and the shower scene was like the bar scene in Star Wars. It was disgusting and i guarantee that the last thing that was anywhere near my mind was the concept of sex.

Originally posted by Sinnthia
Your Jesus and your bible say killing perfect strangers is ok? I say you are lying and confusing yourself in the process. This is about the man in the OP and his bible. I read his bible. His bible says killing is bad.

Though I agree with the main point of your posts
These wars are wrong, immoral and even illegal
See my signature to see that I am against the wars

However... yes the bible does killing is okay
Babylon is modern day Iraq and you know what happened to Iraq and you know what the bible said about what you should do to Babylon

For those that think some law was broken, you're wrong. Ive talked with a recruiter and all Obama signed was something that got the repeal of DADT moving. DADT is still in full effect until the next steps are taken. It's quite possible that it will never be repealed.

The person I talked to stated that lower morale and severe beatings are quite possible with full repeal. Many servicemen whom are great soldiers would inevitably get into trouble for said beatings, and would have to be punished or turned loose from the military because of repeal. Im willing to bet that many of you defending the signing of the repeal either have no idea what military life is like, or you're gay (not a slander, just stating there is clear bias). I personally can't speak too much as Ive never served nor am I gay. Just relating what Ive heard.

reply to post by Gseven


I get it. You want to make this political because you are all pro-USA good Christian, right? That is why my expressing my opinion on an internet forum translates to you as me pushing an agenda for which I should be removed from this wonderfully free country. Get over yourself. Do not interject things that do not belong. If people need to be killed, then fine. Sometimes that happens. But do not stand over a dead body and then tell me your bible tells you being gay is a sin.

GET THE DIFFERENCE?

Originally posted by Annee
Gseven - just wants me to respond - - due to issues in another thread - - which is why he/she keeps addressing me.

Not going to happen. You all are Free to Be.

What issues? I gave up on that other thread. It's clear we operate on two different levels, since your circular logic even has blinders. You're unwilling to see any point other than your own. The points you're bringing up in this thread would be funny if you weren't serious.

reply to post by hawkiye


That was already addressed in a previous post on this thread that you apparently didn't read.

As far as foreign armies and what they do or accept, I don't give a rat's fuzzy.

I also note that foreign armies have neither the success of the US Army, experience of the US Army, nor the methods of the US Army combat arms.

I'm not suggesting any type of reaction - I'm merely describing what will happen in US Combat Arms units if and when some swishy-tailed soldier proclaims he's gay and proud.

They'll be lucky to find enough to carry out in a helmet.

reply to post by TKDRL


I really don't think that God gives a # about what people do either way. To me God is more like a kid who got a new toy for Christmas, he plays with it for a few hours and then ignores it for the rest of his life. But if God did take an interest in us I think it would be more like a guy with a water bottle who sprays the cat once in a while for kicks just to see the cat freak out and run - then he ignores it again until the next time he wants a quick laugh.

reply to post by FarArcher


Lol, I find this comical. Do you honestly think that a gay person is going to start wearing bright rainbow symbols on their military fatigues when they're out on the battlefield? What's more realistic is that gay people in the military will largely keep their sexual attractions to themselves.

Everything that a normal heterosexual serviceman will do, a homosexual serviceman will do, with the only difference being the person's attraction.

What's more, I'm more willing to bet that a serviceman who proclaims he or she is Christian and proud is more likely to be targeted.

Well looks like I'm going to break my own rules and not read the whole thread. I am in the military. I do not give a # if some one is gay, because guess what? gays already serve in the military, and suprise! No one is really worried about getting hit on in a gay way. And if you did feel like some one was checking you out, that is called sexual harassment by the military leadership and is harshly punished. As for gay training. We in the air force have Homosexual Awareness training. It basicly says that some people in the military are gay, and thats fine, just dont talk about it and if you see some one off duty being gay, you can report them, but it's a dick move.

As for fire fights, I was in an attack on my position in 2007 and I know for a fact that one of the guys in my unit was gay. I had not one problem with him during the situation. We all got into cover just fine, and in fact he was one of the people who stood up to do par sweeps ( Thats where you go out to check for unexploded ordnance). So to say that gays would be sissy little wimps is totally misinformed.

As for the leadership of the military, DADT is still an order. They have 60 days from the time the law was signed into the books to comply with it. They will take the full 60 days to get the troops trained for the minor change. You know who is makeing a huge deal about this? Civilians.

reply to post by arbitrarygeneraiist


To be honest, I think most people that think that openly being gay in the military, aren't gay people in the military. I can see how the gay people in the military would not want to be ejected from the military for being ousted. I can totally understand that, I think what people do in their personal lives should be just that, their personal lives. What being gay or not has to do with doing your job, outside of being a porno star, totally eludes me.