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Obama's Birth certificate: Hawaii Governor Abercrombie's Birther mission

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posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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those questions i cannot answer at this time cause i haven't watched it or researched it ... i just read the transcript from the link i shared above. the person who shared the vid w/me stated it was difficult to understand so i had put off listening to it. however, after reading the trans, i'll probably give it some time later this evening.

it is a new and interesting twist to the whole situation? agreed?




posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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It's a ten minute video. I've watched it twice just since you posted the link. I understood it perfectly. But I want to know where that second BC came from and how the Blue Hawaii folks got access to Okubo's birth certificate!


Lots of wild speculation in that video. And I don't think a thing of it until I find out where that alleged 2nd form came from. I'm thinking photoshop.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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hey, since i am a newb and not so net skilled ... could ya, would ya please link that video here? maybe start a new thread or embed it in a post or something ... i'm still learning and i haven't achieved that embedding task just yet. thanks in advance.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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Sure, but talking smack like you do doesn't make me inclined to help you out, newbie or not. Have some respect. Try living up to your username.




posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:15 PM
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What is the problem? I am stating I use it to save myself time.. NOT as a jab. Are your comprehension skills that low, or are you going to beat the hell out of this?

Anagrams are used to make it easy.. Whats the problem?

Is truther derogatory? Why do they use it as site names? No different than birther.. wow, some of you have some thin skin.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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pardon me for asking and thank you for following through. your inclinations are your own, don't go blaming me for your issues.
i don't know what 'smack' you're talking about and it really doesn't interest me.
I am voicing my opinion and if you knew what my moniker stood for, perhaps you'd understand my banter. They (United 93) didn't stand for any flack, either ... remember?



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93
... if you knew what my moniker stood for, perhaps you'd understand my banter.


Ah, I understand now. It's someone else's honor, not yours. I stand corrected.

BH is for Benevolent Heretic.

This video has a lot of unfounded suspicion and assumptions. I don't give it any credence because I know the birther movement well. I can't figure out why he doesn't say where he got this 2nd mystery COLB or how he got hold of Okubu's COLB.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by Honor93
 


What is the problem? I am stating I use it to save myself time.. NOT as a jab. Are your comprehension skills that low, or are you going to beat the hell out of this?

Anagrams are used to make it easy.. Whats the problem?

Is truther derogatory? Why do they use it as site names? No different than birther.. wow, some of you have some thin skin.


ok, first, names don't really bother me, i just joined the conversation. second, the problem (if there really is one) is ppl like yourself who will Excuse their bad behavior because it's convenient for them. some of us see it clearly.
i'm not particularly fond of either 'nickname' but i didn't bring the issue up, either. care to 'attack' the person who did?
you are the one who listed your 'reasons' (anagrams/abbreviations) for using it and i chose to compare your logic ... one does not equal the other. got a problem with that?
is 'truther' derrogatory?? as it is intended, that's subjective but personally i say yes. it is my understanding that we are ALL supposed to be 'truthers' in one form or another.

i thought ppl came to this site to share info, opinions and stories with an occasional fact or two slipping in between the sheets. Not to be personally attacked, called names, discredited (hehehehehehe, that one still has me giggling), or randomly slammed for opposing opinions. guess i was mistaken.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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And if Obama had his long form certificate tested by professionals and they claimed it was valid and true, the birthers would accuse them of being in on it. NO MATTER WHAT happens, they're not going to believe it. So, why should Obama continue to try to appease them?


This part is true. There are some fanatics that are just witch-hunting, but there are also a lot of people like me that just seek the truth. I do think it is proper at this time for Obama to entirely ignore the situation and not flame the fire. He should be focusing on Presiding over the country, and not petty political things. Along those same lines, it really perturbs me that active politicians spend so much of their time campaigning! We don't elect or pay them for that!

There are supposedly genuine birth records and witnesses in Kenya, but as you say, nobody will believe them anyway. It cuts both ways.

The issue cannot possibly be resolved, but we can enact new requirements for the next election, and we can create a process where candidates are vetted before getting on the ballot! That should be the goal at this moment in time!



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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So your a drama queen? I don't use it as an insult..

Do you even have a clear thought, even one?

You said " I thought we were all truthers"
Yet you think it is an insult to be called truther.... Interesting.

"Insult and blame convenience".. No.. I use it because it is simply less words to type out.. NOT TO INSULT..

call me an anti- birther.. I would not be angry.. Due to the fact that "Person that is ANTI people that believe that obama is an illegal president" ... Can't you put the drama away and see it for what it is... me being lazy!



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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i do not claim someone else's honor as my own and i reject your interpretation. Thanks for your consideration of my loss (Flight 93).

arrogance breeds ignorance and seldom gains a positive result. skepticism on the other hand breeds enlightenment and thus worthy the effort. I'll keep my skepticism about the whole deal and you are welcome to your arrogance. May it serve you well throughout your journey.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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The birthers wouldn't care if DNA evidence traced Obama back to the exact location he was born in America. They'd just say it was fake.

They do not care. They are a group of right-wing extremists who will do anything to get the black guy out of the White House.

And it's not just about race. It's also about right-wing philosophy. They want low taxes for everyone, regardless of how much poverty America endures. Regardless of how many people die due to a negligent healthcare system.

The birthers are very sick people. Rational people will understand this.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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So your a drama queen? I don't use it as an insult..

Do you even have a clear thought, even one?

You said " I thought we were all truthers"
Yet you think it is an insult to be called truther.... Interesting.

"Insult and blame convenience".. No.. I use it because it is simply less words to type out.. NOT TO INSULT..

call me an anti- birther.. I would not be angry.. Due to the fact that "Person that is ANTI people that believe that obama is an illegal president" ... Can't you put the drama away and see it for what it is... me being lazy!


you must be confused.
since you don't seem to master the cut and paste process, please don't claim BS and expect to get away with it ...

"You said " I thought we were all truthers"
~~ lie by omissison and re-write

Yet you think it is an insult to be called truther.... Interesting.
~~ lie by omission (context)

care to try again? from one drama queen to another.

ok, which part of this statement is 'convenience'? -- "I use it because it is simply less words to type out.. NOT TO INSULT.." ~~ maybe, simply less words to type?

now, which part of this statement reflects 'bad behavior' or your word, insult? -- "I use it because it is simply less words to type out.. NOT TO INSULT.. ~~~ any professional would point out your exclamation.
when your comment generates a negative affect and you are made aware, yet, you choose to use it anyway, that is an insult.
In America, some words are considered such a horrific personal insult that they are illegal to utter. Even though, many of those words were common language, 30yrs ago. Contrary to your opinion, consideration goes both ways.

I don't use terms like "anti-birther", my language skills surpass such nonsense.
For the record, i am not angry ... your perception doesn't make it so. And your 'reason or excuse' (lazy) doesn't make it acceptable to anyone but you. have a nice day.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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Show me this "everything has been proven" Can you please show me this proof.

I will sit here, arms folded awaiting a reply. BH is correct, birthers will keep moving the goal posts, no matter what info or document comes out.

If the do release his Long Form, birthers will call it a fake!

There is no way this movement will stop the witch hunt.


You are dense.
If a cop stops you while you are driving and you tell him "I am not going to show you my license but I have one." that is all the proof he needs to haul you off to the pokey with Gumby.
His failure to show his BC and all other papers means he is hiding something. He is not the Transparent 1 he claims to be.
The constitution says POTUS must be NBC. The President is thus morally and legally obligated to show that and the PEOPLE have a right to see such,irregardless of what the phony Black Robed Kangaroos say.

If you dont understand that the people have a right to see the BC then you KNOW NOTHING. Go back to the sheeple pen.

If he claimed he was a citizen of INDONESIA to get student aid or to get into college, then he probably waived his American citizenship and certainly his right to be POTUS. And anybody that would vote for someone who hides all his papers is INSANE.
edit on 30-12-2010 by RRokkyy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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we are ALL supposed to be 'truthers' in one form or another
Lie? hmmmmmm

Now who is picking apart words? I am done dealing with birthers like yourself.

Have a wonderful day.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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Show me your proof that he is not eligible for president on the US. Please and thank you!



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Watch calling them birthers... You will find yourself stuck in a debate over words. It isn't worth it.

The drama cops will turn their lights on and come after your anti-birther arse.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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Show me your proof that he is not eligible for president on the US. Please and thank you!


The CONSTITUTION of the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those who dont support the Constitution arent citizens.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Ok... I am looking at a copy of the constitution.. Where do i find the proof on here? I have looked it over, and am yet to find your proof.



posted on Dec, 30 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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right on ...

"If he claimed he was a citizen of INDONESIA to get student aid or to get into college, then he probably waived his American citizenship"
... only, did you know that 'probably' isn't strong enough.

If it is proven that he received 'foreign aid' (schooling most likely) ... then, by Indonesian law, he had to renounce both his US and UK citizenship. That is their law and the link i had is on another system at the moment but it can be searched easy enough. They did not honor dual or multiple citizenship of any kind. And by then, his previous parental passage was expired.



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