Warnings from the Beyond (Regarding the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council), page 1
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reply posted on 28-12-2010 @ 10:35 AM by Hemisphere
Originally posted by silo13

And no, I'm not referring to our Christ, His Father, or even Mary, I speaking specifically of the (evil) MEN who've degraded the Church and the World.


Thank you silo13 for reading and commenting. I also found this information strange but the plot/story line that is either being woven or revealed within the transcripts of the exorcisms has me reconsidering a number of opinions on the Catholic Church I have formed in recent years. I do not see any worldly gain for the priests participating in the exorcism nor for the people coming forward with the various revelations. These roads that they've either chosen to take or "been chosen" to take are rocky and filled with resistance from the TPTB. Belief and devotion based roughly on the material contained within the transcripts as well as the prophesies from what I've read, holds little earthly or afterlife rewards for the devout. The devotion is centered around hardship and sacrifice of self. There are those that would say that working toward an "eternal reward" is not necessarily selfless. I simply don't get that impression from this material. The evils and plots revealed within this material coincide with many of the other conspiracy themes that are investigated on ATS. My mind has been re-opened by this material and so I'll reserve further judgment at this time.

One of my opinions that is not tested by reading these various web pages is that there are still good and devout people within the Catholic laity and clergy. I think we are in agreement on this.

Peace be with you!


reply posted on 28-12-2010 @ 11:08 AM by Hemisphere
Originally posted by dantanna
the vatikan was hijacked the mazons years ago. and it is illegal for a catholik to join the mazons.

i admit, i go to church. but i never give money. one time they were asking for money because this small town church 'owed' money to the newark archdiose. who in turn 'owes' money to the vatikan.

why is some chuch in northern nj paying dues to newark? why isn't that money staying in the community?

because its all a racket. its the mafia. its big gov.

if the money stayed in the community to HELP people, i would gladly give. the fact there are all kinds of kickbacks to god knows who, means you are throwing away your cash when you donate.

im betting 10 cents on the dollar IF THAT stays in the community.


dantanna,

Your experiences and opinions are not unlike my own and those of perhaps millions of Catholics. I think that this material (within the links) might be revealing the evils that are behind our misgivings regarding our faith and for myself, my recent lack of faith. The scandals and cover-ups that have surfaced, this information that has thankfully been uncovered of late has done far more damage to the good, devout Catholics than it has to the criminal element within the Church. This gives me pause. Could revealing the criminal behavior and cover-ups be by design and in large part to harm the faithful? This is not to say that uncovering these atrocities has been void of positive and just results. What I am saying is that those that committed and perpetuated these crimes over the decades and perhaps centuries, have received far less earthly damage than the victims and the faithful. At least that is my perception. That the punishment has not been remotely equal to the crimes. I think that is a widely held opinion. This blatant and naked injustice makes this a valid conspiracy topic and it is one that I've threaded a number of times from various angles when the opportunity has presented itself.

The one recommendation I would share with you now at the risk of sounding preachy, is to keep your heart and mind open to helping others. This can be done without the Catholic Church as a middle man. I would bet my dollar that you are already doing so.

Peace be with you!

PS To head off any inquiries, I was never a priest nor was I ever employed by the Church. Just a member of a Catholic parish for nearly 50 years.
edit on 28-12-2010 by Hemisphere because: Removal of a redundancy.


reply posted on 28-12-2010 @ 12:56 PM by silo13
reply to post by Hemisphere

One of my opinions that is not tested by reading these various web pages is that there are still good and devout people within the Catholic laity and clergy. I think we are in agreement on this.


Absolutely. And it breaks my heart.
I live in a place, well, you might as well step back in time about a hundred years and it’s Catholic to the very core.
The church controls EVERYTHING and I mean everything.
There are some nuns and priests here that are so devote, so unbearably tender and peaceful and gentle it’s humbling. They’re a true witness to living as Christ wants us to.

Do I still despise the Catholic Church. You bet.

If the Catholic Church wanted to it could put and END to all starvation.
Put and END to all homelessness.
STOP all suffering (at least giving those without medical care the medical attention they deserve).
There’s no end to what the Catholic Church could do.
But do they?

No.

Instead they dress themselves in gold and pose in golden rings.

And that is evil to the core.

peace


reply posted on 29-12-2010 @ 07:26 PM by kallisti36
reply to post by Hemisphere


As an ex-Catholic I can vouch for this being absolute fictional garbage. The common misconception of hell was started by the Catholic church and used to keep everyone in line. Yes, the non-believers and the wicked shall be judged, but no one goes immediately to the lake of fire (look up Sheol and the original texts). Very bad translations and the imaginings of Popes lead to this false doctrine. Not only that, this whole exorcism account is so immensely supercharged with Vatican lies it's almost funny. Here is the "demon":"Hell is so much worse than you imagine - you do not think deeply enough to comprehend. God's justice... naturally, His Mercy is available... but this requires many things. You must have great confidence, say many prayers, go to Confession. You must do everything according to the old ways. Novelties cannot be allowed to come in easily and wantonly. It is the Pope who speaks the truth" <--- This is an absolute joke. I have met a demon first hand and he railed on the RCC. Even if the demon was lying and the Church is the way, atleast he was acting like an actual demon. What demon would tell people to do the sacraments, or say the Pope is right? Absolute bull#. I am astonished at how low Catholic traditionalists and the Vatican will sink. Now, I don't totally subscribe to Sola Scriptura, but all you have to do is read the Bible to see how full of crap Roman Catholicism is!

The ecumenical, pluralist Vatican and the Catholic traditionalists are two sides of the same coin. The Vatican misleads with pluralism and paganism and the Catholic traditionalists put man made doctrine above the word of YHWH/Ya'hshuah (whose name you will never here them say). Apparently everyone's salvation hinges on taking the host on the tongue instead of the hand. Man, Heaven is going to be super empty. "Evil people should not he obeyed. The Pope, Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin are the ones who must he obeyed. Communion in the hand is not at all the will of God" This is so blasphemous... I am at a loss for words. "Jesus" has secondary authority to the Pope??? I... this is horrifying... I would have to say that these people are worse (atleast openly worse) than the Vatican. Atleast with Vatican II they stopped doing the Mass in a pagan tongue.

This stuff is well, evil. There's no getting around it. I urge everyone to not even visit the websites posted. I feel like I've lost brain cells



reply posted on 29-12-2010 @ 07:36 PM by kallisti36
Originally posted by Hemisphere
Originally posted by silo13

And no, I'm not referring to our Christ, His Father, or even Mary, I speaking specifically of the (evil) MEN who've degraded the Church and the World.


Thank you silo13 for reading and commenting. I also found this information strange but the plot/story line that is either being woven or revealed within the transcripts of the exorcisms has me reconsidering a number of opinions on the Catholic Church I have formed in recent years. I do not see any worldly gain for the priests participating in the exorcism nor for the people coming forward with the various revelations. These roads that they've either chosen to take or "been chosen" to take are rocky and filled with resistance from the TPTB. Belief and devotion based roughly on the material contained within the transcripts as well as the prophesies from what I've read, holds little earthly or afterlife rewards for the devout. The devotion is centered around hardship and sacrifice of self. There are those that would say that working toward an "eternal reward" is not necessarily selfless. I simply don't get that impression from this material. The evils and plots revealed within this material coincide with many of the other conspiracy themes that are investigated on ATS. My mind has been re-opened by this material and so I'll reserve further judgment at this time.

One of my opinions that is not tested by reading these various web pages is that there are still good and devout people within the Catholic laity and clergy. I think we are in agreement on this.

Peace be with you!
You see no worldly gain??? Are you serious? Their machinations are ridiculously transparent! Everything that traditional Catholics think went wrong in the church after Vatican II is conveniently covered by this "demon". They want to scare Catholics into repealing Vatican II. It is painfully obvious. Where in the Bible does it say "Ye must take communion on the tongue or thou shalt be sent to Hell and tortured throughout all eternity for not adhering to minor insignificant man-made doctrines" Garbage! This is a mockery of my God, YHWH the Most High and Ya'hsuah the Messiah. May the eternal light of His word shine through these hideous transparent blasphemies and lies.


reply posted on 31-12-2010 @ 03:09 AM by Hemisphere
reply to post by kallisti36


Thanks for those posts kallisti36. I have been so into exposing the modernist creeps that run things now for fun and profit that I've overlooked the obvious. The Traditionalists lost power, their regime ended and there's a new creep....er sheriff in town. And so of course the Traditionalists have visions. Visions of grandeur. And the priests involved are all Traditionalists and all their gripes, former methods of control are neatly delineated by the "demon". And so a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" deal.

Thanks
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