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Sarah, Refudiate, and a Look at Honesty

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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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OK....

...first of all, this is not a thread about right / left, political gaffes, or so called "gotcha questions". It is a look inside a potential POTUS candidate's mind, their decision to LIE about a FACT, and thus their motives and integrity.

I'm sure we all can remember the famous "refudiate" tweet Palin sent out about the ground zero mosque:



"Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."


Then the post was deleted and replaced with this tweet:



Peaceful New Yorkers, pls refute the Ground Zero mosque plan if you believe catastrophic pain caused @ Twin Towers site is too raw, too real


After much criticism, Sarah posted this:



Refudiate," "misunderestimate," "wee-wee'd up." English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!


While I found the last tweet to be tacky and cheesy, I didn't make much of it at all. Nothing to see here, simple mistake...please move along. Since I've had a different cognitive relationship we'll say, with speech, spelling and sentence structure, my whole life......I completely understood. She was speaking under a stressful situation (live TV) and her mind was traveling faster then her mouth. She combined the words "refute" and "repudiate" . Similar words with similar meanings. I've made my own words up talking quickly or under stress.....flucky......you figure out the two words I was trying to say
I'm not dyslectic, but a visual learner( decent photographic memory) and see words as a combined image, rather then individual letters. Same for sentences. Same for a page. I cannot read a post with no paragraphs


So everything went away with the news cycle. Then in the most recent "Sarah Palins' Alaska" episode, Sarah had this to say about the whole gaffe:




"I pressed an F instead of a P and people freaked out," said Sarah, pointing out that her blunder was the second-most-searched word on Google trends. "Make lemonade out of lemons."


A quick glance down at your QWERTY keyboard shows you, the two characters are no where close to each other

Now Sarah claims it was a typo?? I'm confused. Didn't her last tweet about the subject say she made up the word? Again, I assume a combination of refute and repudiate? My curiosity is peaked
......and made me come across this that predates the original tweet:




So, "what's all this about" your asking. Ill give you my breakdown.

Sarah thought refudiate was a real word.
Sarah deletes her (human) mistake. After realizing it was too late to stop it from getting out in the cyberworld, says she made the word up.
Sarah now says it was a typo.

To me, this type of manipulation, over an initially insignificant issue, gives great insight into her character. She cannot admit a mistake, and must manipulate the situation to shine her in a better light. Basically a Napoleon inferiority complex. An individual who would rather lie then admit a simple mistake. Thoughts?







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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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Hmmm.

So she's not that bright, she's self-serving, and she knows how to be dishonest.

I never thought I'd say this, but Sarah Palin might make a decent POTUS after all.


Edit to add: Seriously though, she made a simple mistake and she made a huge deal out of it, hurting herself and her image in the long run. I'm not saying she's stupid, but she sure knows how to make a not-so-bad situation a lot worse. She should have stuck with just admitting she made a mistake. It's not even that big a deal.
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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Sarah palin is under so much stress, with her daughters pregnancy, her new t.v. show and constant flying around the world and doing talk shows and interviews...she's bound to make a couple of mistakes...why are u guys so critical of her? do u hate her because she believes in God? there must be some reason...

as the infamous chris crocker might say LEAVE SARAH PALIN ALOOOONE! *cry cry* LEAVE HER ALONE!



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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I think it is just typical of any public person who has made a gafffe. Instead of just saying "I goofed", they attempt to salvage their image and wind up over-explaining. Of course, if it is a conservative, the liberal media will never let it go, no matter how plausible the explanation. And vice versa. Then they feel the necessity to continually defend themselves, rather than just answering "Let it go already".

As a side note, I believe Palin is losing her appeal as a potential political office holder. I know my wife, who was a strong Palin supporter, has said she was discouraged that Palin has lost her humbleness factor. I do still think Palin would make a better GOP Chair, than Steele.
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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:27 PM
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What about the fact that it was just another means to keep the Mosque story rolling... American's... our news is scripted!

Fox News went at that issue like mad men, I wonder why?

www.wnd.com...



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:34 PM
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Maybe she should be punished by being required to submit to a public spelling bee with Dan Quayle. You remember him---Mr. P-o-t-a-t-o-E.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd
Hmmm.

So she's not that bright, she's self-serving, and she knows how to be dishonest.

I never thought I'd say this, but Sarah Palin might make a decent POTUS after all.


Edit to add: Seriously though, she made a simple mistake and she made a huge deal out of it, hurting herself and her image in the long run. I'm not saying she's stupid, but she sure knows how to make a not-so-bad situation a lot worse. She should have stuck with just admitting she made a mistake. It's not even that big a deal.
edit on 27-12-2010 by drwizardphd because: (no reason given)



I agree! A regular person would do exactly that. But she has done the opposite over a period of time and changed the story to fit the day. That shows a conscious decision to mislead. Therefore, a deceitful mind.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by Connector
 


Sarah palin is under so much stress, with her daughters pregnancy, her new t.v. show and constant flying around the world and doing talk shows and interviews...she's bound to make a couple of mistakes...why are u guys so critical of her? do u hate her because she believes in God? there must be some reason...

as the infamous chris crocker might say LEAVE SARAH PALIN ALOOOONE! *cry cry* LEAVE HER ALONE!



LOL!!! If she wouldn't bombard me with her family, twitter, facebook, book tour, teaparty headlining speaker, fox news contributor, reality TV star lamestream media crap and didn't have POTUS ambitions......I wouldn't have focused my attention on her



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by WTFover
I think it is just typical of any public person who has made a gafffe. Instead of just saying "I goofed", they attempt to salvage their image and wind up over-explaining. Of course, if it is a conservative, the liberal media will never let it go, no matter how plausible the explanation. And vice versa. Then they feel the necessity to continually defend themselves, rather than just answering "Let it go already".

As a side note, I believe Palin is losing her appeal as a potential political office holder. I know my wife, who was a strong Palin supporter, has said she was discouraged that Palin has lost her humbleness factor. I do still think Palin would make a better GOP Chair, than Steele.
edit on 27-12-2010 by WTFover because: (no reason given)



Yes, and that demonstrates a dishonest person, regardless of party affiliation. The ironic part is, Sarah is a spokesperson for the teaparty ( a party that boasts as one of it's tenets, honesty in politics) and she, herself brings up the topic again in her own show months later. A classic case of narcissism.

I hope Palin and Steele aren't the only choices for GOP Chair



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Connector

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Hmmm.

So she's not that bright, she's self-serving, and she knows how to be dishonest.

I never thought I'd say this, but Sarah Palin might make a decent POTUS after all.


Edit to add: Seriously though, she made a simple mistake and she made a huge deal out of it, hurting herself and her image in the long run. I'm not saying she's stupid, but she sure knows how to make a not-so-bad situation a lot worse. She should have stuck with just admitting she made a mistake. It's not even that big a deal.
edit on 27-12-2010 by drwizardphd because: (no reason given)



I agree! A regular person would do exactly that. But she has done the opposite over a period of time and changed the story to fit the day. That shows a conscious decision to mislead. Therefore, a deceitful mind.


Really? I think she was just trying to be semi funny. She knew she made a mistake...and I mean she's not stupid...she DID graduate from University of Idaho with a degree in journalism and communication...


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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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Really? I think she was just trying to be semi funny. She knew she made a mistake...and I mean she's not stupid...she DID graduate from Harvard.


Hmmmmm.............your edited post doesn't read the same anymore. Idaho college isn't even close Harvard. Is that a typo or are you refudiating the facts?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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she DID graduate from Harvard
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Really? I guess that's a weird joke? But if not, you are incorrect. The her educational record is easy to find. From her wiki page:



After graduating from high school, Palin enrolled at the University of Hawaii in Hilo.[37] Shortly after arriving in Hawaii, Palin switched to Hawaii Pacific University for a semester in the fall of 1982 and then North Idaho College in the spring and fall of 1983.[38] In June 2008, the Alumni Association of North Idaho College gave her its Distinguished Alumni Achievement Award.[39] She attended the University of Idaho in the fall of 1984 and spring of 1985, and attended Matanuska-Susitna College in the fall of 1985. Palin returned to the University of Idaho in the spring of 1986, receiving her bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism in 1987.


I think you either have a bizarre sense of humor that I have failed to appreciate, or you have her confused with someone else.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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It is a very good point that has been made, not only Sarah's guilt but many in the system and culture. It has been a very rare and refreshing moment when a public leader does admit to a mistake. It helps clear the ground, understand the situation and all can move on instead of getting caught up in ongoing lies and miscommunication. Yes some in the media do make a big deal about minor errors, but when viewed in context it is more of a reflection of the shallow nature of the media these days than an actual debate with substance.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Connector
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Really? I think she was just trying to be semi funny. She knew she made a mistake...and I mean she's not stupid...she DID graduate from Harvard.


Hmmmmm.............your edited post doesn't read the same anymore. Idaho college isn't even close Harvard. Is that a typo or are you refudiating the facts?

i thought she graduated from harvard then i looked it up and changed it to idaho...either way she graduated with a 4 year college degree...



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by joechip



she DID graduate from Harvard
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Really? I guess that's a weird joke? But if not, you are incorrect. The her educational record is easy to find. From her wiki page:



After graduating from high school, Palin enrolled at the University of Hawaii in Hilo.[37] Shortly after arriving in Hawaii, Palin switched to Hawaii Pacific University for a semester in the fall of 1982 and then North Idaho College in the spring and fall of 1983.[38] In June 2008, the Alumni Association of North Idaho College gave her its Distinguished Alumni Achievement Award.[39] She attended the University of Idaho in the fall of 1984 and spring of 1985, and attended Matanuska-Susitna College in the fall of 1985. Palin returned to the University of Idaho in the spring of 1986, receiving her bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism in 1987.


I think you either have a bizarre sense of humor that I have failed to appreciate, or you have her confused with someone else.


you quoted me before i could edit. re read my post



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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Palin is a retarded national socialist



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:03 AM
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I like her because she looks so much like Tina Fey and she is almost just as silly.
Every time I see her...and especially when she opens her mouth to say something....I feel like I am watching SNL.





posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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If you're trying to contend that graduating "Harvard" and a state school in Idaho equally make your point about her intelligence....well, go ahead, but I think the difference is obvious. I know plenty of stupid people with college degrees. A BA in communications, please...
But the main point isn't about her intelligence, but rather her dishonesty. I think the OP makes a pretty air-tight case about that. Nothing like someone's own words to damn them.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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You see dishonesty, I see an obvious attempt to be funny.

It's all about perspective.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by freedish
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You see dishonesty, I see an obvious attempt to be funny.

It's all about perspective.


If I turn my head, cross my eyes, and hit myself in the head really hard, I can see it as an obvious attempt to be funny. The problem there is that it failed so then I see failure. So if it is a choice between lying and failing...hmmmm. Tough.




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