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What did the Catholic Church ever do to You?
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Well, since you're asking. . .the black coats(catholic priests) showed up once at our tribes in Minnesota. They told us we were heathen beasts of
people because we did not worship god. They, in the name of religion, took our children to boarding schools, beat them if they spoke their language.
In the name of "civility" and religion, we were forced to cut our hair, forced hysterectomies, in the name of "civility" and religion.
I could go on about the continued, yes continued, ways of the church on today's reservations, but perhaps this is more than what you were asking.
But, thanks for asking, anyway.
I could go on about the continued, yes continued, ways of the church on today's reservations, but perhaps this is more than what you were asking.
But, thanks for asking, anyway.
reply to post by Divine Strake
where is your proof ? please post this data as it is relevant since you experienced this...
oh and the data I am requesting is from the time you personally experienced this not data from the archaic settlement times (which we all made it thru btw)
Well, since you're asking. . .the black coats(catholic priests) showed up once at our tribes in Minnesota. They told us we were heathen beasts of people because we did not worship god. They, in the name of religion, took our children to boarding schools, beat them if they spoke their language. In the name of "civility" and religion, we were forced to cut our hair, forced hysterectomies, in the name of "civility" and religion.
I could go on about the continued, yes continued, ways of the church on today's reservations, but perhaps this is more than what you were asking.
But, thanks for asking, anyway.
where is your proof ? please post this data as it is relevant since you experienced this...
oh and the data I am requesting is from the time you personally experienced this not data from the archaic settlement times (which we all made it thru btw)
edit on 12/28/2010 by Cosmic.Artifact because: (no reason given)
Christ did not establish the Catholic Church, that is an institution of men, a few good men through the ages and many evil men. A church truly after
Christ's image would have no need for all that wealth and would use it to help the poor.
Christ's church are simply those people who believe in Him and His divinity and have accepted Him and the Holy Spirit into their lives, i.e those who have become followers of Christ. Are there some in the Catholic Church who would fit into this group? yes, are there many more that do not, again definitely yes.
Christ's church are simply those people who believe in Him and His divinity and have accepted Him and the Holy Spirit into their lives, i.e those who have become followers of Christ. Are there some in the Catholic Church who would fit into this group? yes, are there many more that do not, again definitely yes.
reply to post by oliveoil
jesus didnt start the catholic church...and they are nothing but phedos that have sex with little children, dont even get me started on the piece of # pope that thinks hes better than everyone else (the chosen one) dont make me laugh. Plus catholic is the fake religion that bible warns u about
jesus didnt start the catholic church...and they are nothing but phedos that have sex with little children, dont even get me started on the piece of # pope that thinks hes better than everyone else (the chosen one) dont make me laugh. Plus catholic is the fake religion that bible warns u about
Originally posted by oliveoil
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?
Wow, until this thread I didn't really have a problem with the Catholic church but your thread inspired me to do some digging into the past history of Catholicism and now I have one HUGE problem with the Catholic church and my conclusion is that leaders of this faith have been and still are utter scumbags, covering up all manner of horrors.
Thank you for opening my eyes to the evil and corruption of this faith.
Originally posted by Divine Strake
Well, since you're asking. . .the black coats(catholic priests) showed up once at our tribes in Minnesota. They told us we were heathen beasts of people because we did not worship god. They, in the name of religion, took our children to boarding schools, beat them if they spoke their language. In the name of "civility" and religion, we were forced to cut our hair, forced hysterectomies, in the name of "civility" and religion.
I could go on about the continued, yes continued, ways of the church on today's reservations, but perhaps this is more than what you were asking.
But, thanks for asking, anyway.
It's okay, here's 120 casinos for something you never experienced personally.
edit on 28-12-2010 by Brood because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Wow, until this thread I didn't really have a problem with the Catholic church but your thread inspired me to do some digging into the past history
it is about the present and the future... who dwells in the past ?
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Wow, until this thread I didn't really have a problem with the Catholic church but your thread inspired me to do some digging into the past history
it is about the present and the future... who dwells in the past ?
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LOL?
Answer: The Catholic Church
Wow! I wasn't expecting such an overwhelming response. Thanks every one.
One of the best and most godly men to come out the catholic church was murdered by his own when was in a position to change things and became Pope
John Paul I.
www.yallop.com...
Does the church of God murder their own when they threaten to do God's will? I would argue the catholic church is anything but God's church and is instead a stronghold of the enemy.
Proverbs 20:11 Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right.
Matthew 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness.
James 3:12 My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
you get the picture,....
www.yallop.com...
Does the church of God murder their own when they threaten to do God's will? I would argue the catholic church is anything but God's church and is instead a stronghold of the enemy.
Proverbs 20:11 Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right.
Matthew 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness.
James 3:12 My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
you get the picture,....
Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
it is about the present and the future... who dwells in the past ?
Religions, most of them ... sad to say but when the past IS the present, there isn't much of a future to envision.
reply to post by Brood
well I guess one could say the same about Islam then or lots of others but that and they are no different.
oh gosh the Catholics are political ! say it ain't so...
I still do not have any beef with them, we are all the men of Five.
well I guess one could say the same about Islam then or lots of others but that and they are no different.
oh gosh the Catholics are political ! say it ain't so...
I still do not have any beef with them, we are all the men of Five.
reply to post by FlyersFan
You obviously missed my other posts or choose to only use one of them kinda like how you choose to anthropomorphise God. I am still waiting for those contradictions you speak of. Have you actually read the bible?
You obviously missed my other posts or choose to only use one of them kinda like how you choose to anthropomorphise God. I am still waiting for those contradictions you speak of. Have you actually read the bible?
Originally posted by slane69
Does the church of God murder their own when they threaten to do God's will?
no... the Church does not, it is the evil that men do which is the answer to this question.
reply to post by oliveoil
The Church was created by Rome.
how dumb do you have to be to negate the history of the greco-romans to take the 'roman catholic church' as anything but the military and political instrument used to manage the whole of mankind.
Islam uses the same exact tactics.
As for me. I have a problem with it. My ancestors were forced to convert to catholicism in the 17th century because the inquisition in portugal. My family lived for a generation as Murano Jews until they eventually assimilated with the rest of the catholics.
The Church is pure EVIL. that is it. their leaders are disingenuous gnostics who have political 'the end justifies the means' or as Loyola termed "the end 'sanctifies' the means" motives.
They are the very evil Joel speaks of when he says in the future the nations will come to Jerusalem and say "we have inherited lies from our fathers".
The Church was created by Rome.
how dumb do you have to be to negate the history of the greco-romans to take the 'roman catholic church' as anything but the military and political instrument used to manage the whole of mankind.
Islam uses the same exact tactics.
As for me. I have a problem with it. My ancestors were forced to convert to catholicism in the 17th century because the inquisition in portugal. My family lived for a generation as Murano Jews until they eventually assimilated with the rest of the catholics.
The Church is pure EVIL. that is it. their leaders are disingenuous gnostics who have political 'the end justifies the means' or as Loyola termed "the end 'sanctifies' the means" motives.
They are the very evil Joel speaks of when he says in the future the nations will come to Jerusalem and say "we have inherited lies from our fathers".
Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
reply to post by Brood
well I guess one could say the same about Islam then or lots of others but that and they are no different.
oh gosh the Catholics are political ! say it ain't so...
I still do not have any beef with them, we are all the men of Five.
And that is why I disapprove of them all equally. The only thing worse than religion, though, is unwarranted hatred toward the people that belong to one...
Originally posted by Brood
And that is why I disapprove of them all equally. The only thing worse than religion, though, is unwarranted hatred toward the people that belong to one...
surely you are talking about Atheism then right ?
Atheism is the most deceptive and ignorant of faiths, the very nature of ignorance itself... without tolerance nor respect to others let alone unto the followers of the Atheistic doctrine.
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OT from one and only @billmaher - "Is this a bad time to mention that churches really shld pay taxes like any other business?"
Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
Originally posted by Brood
And that is why I disapprove of them all equally. The only thing worse than religion, though, is unwarranted hatred toward the people that belong to one...
surely you are talking about Atheism then right ?
Atheism is the most deceptive and ignorant of faiths, the very nature of ignorance itself... without tolerance nor respect to others let alone unto themselves.
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That is the most inaccurate sweeping generalization I have ever heard, sorry.
Originally posted by sadwolf
For starters protecting pedophiles and maligning the victims. How can any religion have any validity
if they protect such evil?
Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by sadwolf
Your gonna have to do better than that, perhaps some proof !!! reason and logic would be feasible, In other words BACK UP YOUR CLAIM!!
Sorry OP, but you are not interested in the truth. You have no interest in facts. You are not here to even discuss this topic. You are here to fight and tell others how wrong they are, nothing else. You really want "proof" of something that is a known fact? I will humor you.
Maybe you are familiar with a 2001 letter written by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos which was sent to Pierre Pican, a French Bishop?
For those who do not know, Pierre Pican received a suspended three-month jail sentence for not denouncing sexual abuse of minors. He had admitted in court he had kept Rev. Rene Bissey in parish work after the priest had privately admitted committing pedophile acts. Now what did the Cardinal say about it?
"I congratulate you for not denouncing a priest to the civil administration. You have acted well and I am pleased to have a colleague in the episcopate who, in the eyes of history and of all other bishops in the world, preferred prison to denouncing his son and priest." The letter then goes on to say that a copy of the letter would be sent to all Bishops around the world. Now this is not any ordinary Cardinal. Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos is the Vatican Official in charge of all Priest.
So are we on the same page? The Vatican Cardinal in charge of all Priest is going to send this letter in support of the French Bishop who went to jail before reporting a pedophile priest to the police as a model of what Bishops should do. Is this not evidence that the Vatican encouraged Bishops to cover up cases of child molestation?
Now the Vatican later admitted the letter was in fact real. They admitted everything in the letter was true and that it was sent to Bishops around the world. They then went on to claim that it is an example of why reforms were needed and why the abuse cases were moved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which was at the time overseen by Cardinal Ratzinger.
Now it would sound like the Vatican attempted to change things for the better right? Well not so fast. The problem here is that Castrillon Hoyos's letter was sent in September, about four months after the centralization under Cardinal Ratzinger.
This is a very well known story that was reported YEARS ago. You have all the names, all the players, I am sure you can use google to find a copy of the letter, a million blogs, and all the evidence you need for this one particular case which speaks volumes. Feel free to make use to it. The case against the Vatican in relation to sexual abuses within the church and their complicity in covering it up is well documented, well known, and really very clear cut that Stevie Wonder could see it. Yet you bark that you want "proof"? The Vatican admits this stuff took place and has openly asked to pay abuse victims (notice the plural- VICTIMS- as in more than one) on a case by case basis. Yet you want "proof" of something the Vatican admits?