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Originally posted by pinchanze
reply to post by Subjective Truth
Can you give me a definition of "progressive mindset"? It seems to be a oxymoron. It seems that our socialist friends are headed to tergiversation with no one to pay for all these social programs that you think we all should have.
Originally posted by Sestias
reply to post by Subjective Truth
Hitler was not a progressive. He was a dictator and always wanted to be.
I'm a progressive and I do not want to give up any of our freedoms. I am in favor of some of our social programs, like public schools, libraries, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, veterans' benefits and etc. I am also in favor of the government building highways, bridges, dams, airports, hospitals and collecting garbage, among other public works. This is not even socialism, which by definition is when the state owns all the means of production. The last time I looked, capitalism is alive and well in this country, and few are saying it shouldn't be.
I am sure you yourself are not opposed to some of the things I mentioned above, like state-maintained roads. I think you only oppose programs for the poor, sick, disabled, elderly, etc. -- you know, programs to help those who are not winning the Darwinian "survival of the fittest" struggle for existence. IMO it's not the government per se you hate, but rather your fellow man.
You are using a "slippery slope" argument that these programs will lead to fascism, communism, totalitarianism, etc. Canada and Europe have more social programs than we have in the U.S. None of them have fascist dictatorships.
You should try reading Karl Marx sometime. I promise you that you won't keel over and die from it.
Originally posted by korathin
reply to post by Sestias
I really don't care what europeans think about America. The nations of europe are 99% responsible for Africa and Asia being so messed up for their 400+ years of raping, pillaging and murdering hundreds of millions across the globe.
If you look at America's modern problems they are traced back to europe. Heck a german company Bayer is killing all our bumble bees. The money changers are euro-centric, heck even the low quality of "chocolate bars" is a direct result of euro(*&^(*^*^. (A european these last few years had been buying up all the coca and cornering that market so American Candy makers have had to substitute candy bars with chocolate like stuff).
The oil and energy sectors in America are heavily controlled by euro-centric energy interests. America has to spend so much on defense because the lazy euro's refuse to adequately defend themselves. The American Dollar was utterly trashed with quantitative easing to bail out euro-land.
The european union is not a friend or ally of America, all the eu is doing is a kind of economic imperialism of America. And the citizens of the eu have made it clear these last ten+ years that they are no friend or ally of the American Citizenry.
The citizens of europe have only brought misery and suffering to the citizens of America throughout the 20th century. Feminism, Communism and Socialism are all european constructs that have no logical relevance to America at all(Women in euro-land did suffer greatly, class based rapings where more common in the past then some would like to admit, while in America if a rapist regardless of economic class, if they weren't hanged by a court of law the American Citizenry took it unto themselves for better or worse).
It is bad enough they are forcing their political constructs of what is "left wing" and what is "right wing" down our throats. The sooner America is divorced from euro-land the better I say.