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Originally posted by Control
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
No, I don't think the state can effectively serve my interests any longer. Nor do I think anarchists and libertarians can either, or come anywhere close to it.
I used to describe myself as an anarchist until I got sick of being around a bunch of lazy 40 drinking acid tripping suburban drop-out crap weasels that spend all their time talking about "community support" and doing nothing to provide for it. I got sick of the anti-intellectual attitude which prevails in most anarchist circles and I hate black hoodies with sewn on patches I think they look stupid. I also hate tight jeans and fixed gear bicycles. I got sick of the fake "queer acceptance" which is really just masked homophobia because I have never met an anarchist that believes it is possible for a man to be raped by another man. I have often been accused of sexism for attempting to widen rape survivor awareness to include male rape survivors to no avail. There is also a lot of masked racism in anarchism in that they force non-white people into "whiteness" by refusing to acknowledge the validity of their ethnic heritage and try and force "white guilt" in the form of "white privilege awareness" down the throats of every white-passing person I've ever met.
I got sick of all the "infoshops" which amount to little more than frat houses with compost heaps (which attract rats in cities) and I got sick of all of the shirking of personal responsibility (for attracting rats to the neighborhood and into the neighbors homes) in the name of personal responsibility. Most of these places do nothing but bring local drunk teens to "DIY Punk shows" which serve to blighten whatever neighborhoods they happen to be located in. Some of the bicycle collectives are cool in theory, but staffed with a bunch of overparanoid dumbf*'s with a major superiority complex over every poor person that comes in there, and Food Not Bombs is as bad as the fundamentalist Christians with their forced vegan diets on the homeless. There's no difference between forcing religion down someones throat and forcing a dietary practice down someones throat. It's BS. A big steaming pile of stinky BS.
In short. Too many idiots, too many kids, not enough brains, not enough grown-ups, no responsibility. Anarchism has become little more than a "Hot Topic" fashion expression for stupid rich white kids from the suburbs who have never been forced to want for anything. Any "poverty" I saw expressed by these idiots was by choice so they could "be more hard core" than their other trust-fund anarcho-buddies.
You think I'm overgeneralizing here? Try going around the country to various different anarchist circles and see what you find. I've been all over the country and associated with probably 15 or 20 different collectives before I gave up...One is only anarchist in this country if they are under 30, have the right clothes, and can quote Proudhon or Bakunin or some such other obscure 18th Century author. Most of them don't even understand what those authors were actually trying to say.
As far as libertarianism? It's anarchism for rich people. They don't have any room for homeless veterans in their ranks either. I've tried.
ETA: My enlightenment is that labels restrict oneself from their true potential. I am not an anrchist, or a capitalist, or anything for that matter. I am simply "a person." Labels are for food and medicine. Not people.edit on 27-12-2010 by Control because: See "ETA" Statement.
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
I'll give you one guess which category I fall into.
Great thread brother. S & F.
This system of the 2 party facade hoodwinking has far outlived its usefullness, save for the Elitists who continue to profiteer and maintain their power and control through it, at the expense of all the people who wrongfully continue to be tricked by this ruse, decade after decade.
As it is, this particular system is a sham of immeasurable proportions, designed for the few to continue to use and victimize the many, for their own vested means.
Time to detach from this insanity.
Originally posted by Control
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
Yep. I'll do it without the bloody labels and selfish superiority complexes though. The greatest benefit is that I don't associate with those that choose to use the label "anarchist" anymore. In fact, the "anarchist" label has become something of a red flag for me...warning me of impending idiocy and immaturity. Life is not the mental utopia created in the minds of so many anarchists. Modern anarchism doesn't "let" us fail...it bloody well almost forces it upon us with these hoo-oo lofty concepts of ideological supremacy. ANY supremacy is bad. Be it racial, religious, or ideological. You're right. People are people. But the very title of your thread suggests that you feel they should be more "like you." How's that not supremacist?
ETA: The term "lifestyle" (which you used to describe anarchism) is a marketing term coined in 1967 by a marketing firm in New York City. "Lifestyle Marketing" became the advertising norm by 1984. The terms "fad" and "lifestyle" are synonymous in the marketing world. You cannot reclaim a word that was false to begin with. Anarchism is not a lifestyle, it is ostensibly a political ideology.edit on 27-12-2010 by Control because: See "ETA" Statement.
Originally posted by Solomons
“Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners.”
Although in saying that, society as a whole has become accustomed to a hierarchical mode of governance, where the only way for society to function is a centralized hierarchical government to use force or threaten people with the use of force. I think a massive change in philosophy is needed if we were to ever truly have anarchy or libertarian socialism without civilization imploding overnight.
Originally posted by stephinrazin
reply to post by Control
I understand your perspective well. I have sympathies for anarchist principles, and small scale communal organization. Sadly, when I lived in some, and met the members I was let down. There seems to be holier than thou attitude toward the rest of society. This attitude is coupled with a rejection of personal responsibility and basic social skills. I am painting with a broad brush, and there are some real intelligent capable anarchist communal groups out there, but the majority are retreatists. They have rejected societal systems for their own equally limiting self perpetuating systems. If your gonna shift reality do not label yourself, or try an preach to others just do it.