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Vatican Emerges From WikiLeaks As A Key Player On Global Scene

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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Proto my friend
I must comment on this :
"I will admit I host vistors from time to time who are not of this dimension. This makes me nothing but a gracious and open minded host, and not a member of a religion or a cult. "

After reading as many of your posts that time and my weary eyes will permit and agreeing and learning SO much from you, this was the one area I was waiting for you to corroborate for me, personally. I felt certain that you had to, on some level, know that there's so much more than meets the ( human) eye. It's reassuring to know that you are aware, and I feel it gives great validity to others who have met with and experienced the same.

I have read your stance time and time again, and again, I agree that things on earth with humans should be our first priority. I haven't even finished reading your posts on this subject, because this statement you made caught me so off guard. I had to stop mid post to reply to you. It's reassuring to me, and I suspect others that this aspect of life not be dismissed.

I'm not trying to blow smoke here, but if ANYONE here can make a case for how to take back this planet from Rome, you can. You are right, time is running out. But...People will listen to you. People will support you. I will support you, and as I said in a personal message you you almost a year ago when I encouraged you to go bigger, to build a site, etc. I am willing to put my money, energy, efforts, where my mouth is.

Let me know how I can be of assistance. I can only tell you that I have known this is what my purpose is here. Not here as in ATS, but here as in now, in this place/space in time.

Thank you again, for so much. I don't think I could ever do justice in a simple thread post what your time and efforts have meant to me personally, and quite possibly will mean to us collectively.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by WashingtonGrewHemp
The Vatican is probably the worst best/worst example of a secret society empire. they should be destroyed completely. all their wealth was stolen by the sword.


Really?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:52 AM
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I'm not trying to blow smoke here, but if ANYONE here can make a case for how to take back this planet from Rome, you can. You are right, time is running out. But...People will listen to you. People will support you. I will support you, and as I said in a personal message you you almost a year ago when I encouraged you to go bigger, to build a site, etc. I am willing to put my money, energy, efforts, where my mouth is.


That ought to work.




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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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I didn't say everyone, there are many out there with blinders on, many who are quite happy with the way things are, and many who have an agenda to see through to fruition. I am not one of them, and there are a lot more like me.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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The Pope is actually the highest legal authority on earth since he is the Vicar of Christ, God’s legal representative on earth and has been universally accepted by treaty in that capacity since the 1100’s.


Would this rule apply to religon as well? Every Christian denomination (Baptist, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Lutherns, Catholics, SDA, etc..) at some level of authority, gives honor and recognition to the pope since he is vicor?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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Missionary work, along with archeology, press, and import/exports has long been a great cover for espionage, so it shouldn't come as any big surprise that there would be a strong relationship there.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Alchemst7
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The Pope is actually the highest legal authority on earth since he is the Vicar of Christ, God’s legal representative on earth and has been universally accepted by treaty in that capacity since the 1100’s.


Would this rule apply to religon as well? Every Christian denomination (Baptist, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Lutherns, Catholics, SDA, etc..) at some level of authority, gives honor and recognition to the pope since he is vicor?



NO



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:19 AM
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I still don't see what was in the leak that has people posting under this topic in such an uproar,


I honestly don't think you want to see this Stormdancer. In general your reactions where anything comes to light that you feel in any way disparages or deminishes Judean/Christian concepts of God seem to lead to you taking a defensive/offensive stance about religion in general where you tend to either be dismissive or contemptuous of what you seem to simply typify as an 'attack' on religion.

However both people with and without 'faith' have a lot of fears about the future, their individual future and the furture of the world.

They have begun to realize that the governments of the world don't really well represent the people who they are supposed to serve, and they are generally suspicious that some other major force or factor is driving events.

Some as you know consider this all to be Biblical Prophecy and the hand of God at work. These are the orthodox religious who are anxious to see Biblical Prophecy come about as Rome foretold in it's own Prophecies the people turning against it in it's final days. I would hope it has not escaped you that many 'Christians' posting to this thread, feel that the Vatican is not reflective of what they believe Christianity is or ought to be. So these things become very interesting to such people as that.

Others like myself, see things a bit differently, Rome as the top of a control pyramid using religion, banking, law, technology, and the militaries to control the governments, that in turn control the peoples.

Some are curious in regards to anything that is released by Wiki-Leaks.

In the past couple years here on the site a number of members have been exposed to the Roman conspiracy and whether it's Foundation X, Wiki-Leaks, Genetic Modified Crops many people are paying much more attention now to what Rome does here on ATS and are viewing these things as being far more significant than they might have before so many people began considering Rome as a very possible source of the Power behind the Power.

I think it's great you and others want to question things but there is a difference between simply questioning things for the sake of questioning things, and honestly questioning things because you are honestly wanting to know and understand the truth.

Last night when you mentioned you really aren't sure about the 1890's law that gives the Pope the right to overturn or strike down any law in the U.S. because you haven't found the time to read up on the link Serbsta posted months ago in All Roads Lead to Rome confirming it's existience yet in those couple months you have managed to find plenty of time to basically spam the thread with entire passages from the Bible without even a sentence of commentary to go along with them.

Which honestly does beg the question, are you questioning things simply to question things in other words a simple form of denial by inciting a simple stage of confusion or are you questioning things because you are doing honest research because you want to know the real answers regardless of what the real answers are.

Fooling one's own self is in fact far easier than fooling everyone else when it comes to such things.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Missionary work, along with archeology, press, and import/exports has long been a great cover for espionage, so it shouldn't come as any big surprise that there would be a strong relationship there.


Not all, I have know many missionaries, I know they aren't involved in espionage.

Was there some espionage revealed by the Catholic church in the recent leaks?
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:32 AM
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No Proto , I know the horrific history of the Catholic church and I know its reforms, I also know it has done many good deeds in many communities, world wide.

I read the wiki leaks on the CC, I didn't see anything that absolutely shocked me, but go ahead storm the Vatican,


There is a dramatic decline in Catholicism and Christianity world wide.
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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There is a dramatic decline in Catholicism and Christianity world wide.
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At the same time, there is a huge increase in spirituality.
If you let go of labels, you can be as great as you were intended to be.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Alchemst7
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The Pope is actually the highest legal authority on earth since he is the Vicar of Christ, God’s legal representative on earth and has been universally accepted by treaty in that capacity since the 1100’s.


Would this rule apply to religon as well? Every Christian denomination (Baptist, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Lutherns, Catholics, SDA, etc..) at some level of authority, gives honor and recognition to the pope since he is vicor?



There is such a thing here in the United States called the Council of Churches. There are similiar organizations abroad.

Typically when these council's meet they are mediated and sponsored by the Vatican and any mutual statements arrived through these forms of inter-faith/denomination meetings are then officially announced by either the Pope or a Vatican Liazon to the Councils.

What happens at the upper Priestly class level and how it is presented to the laity though are often two different things, and the laity tend to view themselves as being much more independent from Rome as a result of some priestly manipulation within their own faiths.

A couple months ago the Pope visited England and met with the Queen and this caused quite a stir in part because the Queen spend 19 Million Pounds on ceremonies for the visit.

Both the Queen and the Pope are heads of State, each have their own sovereign nations. Both the Queen and the Pope are religious heads of their respective churches. The Queen the Angelican Church of England, the Pope the Catholic Church.

I predicted to a number of members here on ATS that when they met, the Pope would lead in all protocols and the Queen would take the deferent and submissive posture to him in their public ceremonies even though English people see these two figure heads as "Equals".

As predicted the strict protocol that governs Heads of States and Diplomacy and Church Leaders and Diplomacy was followed as the Queen took the submissive posture, allowed the Pope to lead, in all ceremonies and defered to him.

In reality this makes them not equal, and whether it's the former head of Communist Poland, a Muslim Royal Monarch or an American President or an Israeli Prime Minister, the Pope bows and defers to no one, and all bow and defer to him typically kissing his ring.

The Queen sovereign status Emenates from Rome, the Religion she heads is based off of Rome's. The City of London the square mile incorporated at the City Center is in fact the square mile that the Romans laid out in Caesar's time that the Queen by law can not even enter, without permission from London's Mayor and his escort.

All the fractions with Rome did as far as religion is concerned is allowed Monarchs who needed more leeway to govern their own countries face saving ways to do so, as in Henry the Eitgth case when his desperation to sire an heir led to him seeking divorce after divorce from the Pope until the Pope had to worry that what was too often denied to the 'commom man' was being granted again and again to a monarch.

So both needed to save face, but the Church Henry created didn't include a different God(s) or rebukes of Rome's concepts of monotheism, just a more palatable form for the individual governor who still used the very same system by a different name.

A rose is a rose by any other name, and whether it's the Protestants or Lutherans, the Episcipaleans or Baptists, they are still all using the same base system that Rome fostered, popularized and codified a number of significant moral laws into that are used as societal constructs under the guise of religion by all these offshoots.

Yet only one person has the legal distinction of being God's representative on Earth and that is the Pope.

The Divine Right of Kings and the Sovereignty of Nations all emenates from this system, the Pope administers that system.

When you say the pledge of allegience here in America or when you spend a Dollar Bill you are partaking in a religious ceremony that honors the Pope, and what confuses people is it doesn't matter if you don't understand this, know this, or refuse to believe this, because a contract is a contract is a contract.

Every time you spend a U.S. Dollar Bill you are proclaiming your trust in the Pope because legally and the Dollar is a legal instrument the Pope is God.

Every officer in the United States Government swears an oath to God the Pope to uphold the duties of their Office, once again it doesn't matter if they don't know this, or understand this, or agree with this because a contract is a contract is a contract.

Contractually the Pope has more rights than any other human being on the planet and the Vatican along with it.

It doesn't matter that Stormdancer disagrees, it matters that the Courts will uphold this time and time and time and time and time again without question or fail.

Hidden in front of us in plain site is an entire religious system that the only thing that prevents us from recognizing it and dealing with it, is the base denial and disbelief of people who have been trained to not believe their own eyes, but words that tell them to do differently by leaders and masters who hold sway and power over them.

Yet this system, this religious system, that the Pope is the head of, that Rome popuralized and created and exported around the world, is where all these leaders, masters and courts and officers get their power over us from.

The fact that people won't honestly deal with it as the cling to silly notions of independence as they go about their daily business of laboring to pay their taxes to it, is in fact what entrenches it to have become the ever expanding monster it has become.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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Occasionally, there are frank assessments of differences, as in a U.S. Embassy memo from July 2001, which forecast continued problems with the Vatican over Israel, the death penalty and Iraq.

"The Vatican will continue to oppose U.S. efforts to isolate Saddam Hussein. We should recognize that the Vatican will not support our efforts in Iraq, and investigate ways to limit Vatican interference with our objectives," the cable said tersely.

www.catholicnews.com...

Does this sound like the Vatican was in control?



WE could be barking up the wrong tree.




and investigate ways to limit Vatican interference with our objectives," the cable said tersely.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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No Proto , I know the horrific history of the Catholic church and I know its reforms, I also know it has done many good deeds in many communities, world wide.

I read the wiki leaks on the CC, I didn't see anything that absolutely shocked me, but go ahead storm the Vatican,


There is a dramatic decline in Catholicism and Christianity world wide.
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During the height of the Depression Al Capone ran a series of Soup Kitchens that fed most of Chicago's poor. Many considered Al Capone a Saint because of this, was he though?

During the height of the Columbian Cociane Wars Pablo Escobar fed most of Medellin's poor through a similiar system of Cantinats and even paid to build the town's Soccer Stadium and bring it a professional Soccer Franchise the most popular sport in the Latin World.

Many people considered Don Pablo to be a Saint but was he?

Adolf Hitler was notoriously kind to animals and doted sweetly on women and children, admirable attributes, does that excuse his crimes against humanity?

Ask the few sole surviving natives of Hawaii about what they think about Christian Missionaries as almost the entire population of native Hawaiians died from diseases the missionaries brought with them to the Islands, at one point a Cholera and Typhus Epedimic brought by the Missionaries killed what is believed to be upwards of over a million Hawaiian Natives within a span of a few short months, reducing the population to just a couple hundred thousand survivors.

The Missionaries there conspired to put the land in the hands of the Castles and the Cooks and the Doles who made fortunes off of farming the rich volcanic soil with exotic tropical fruits.

Spreading the word of God to heathens usually meant spreading the commerce of Rome, introducing money, binding contracts, capricious courts of laws that saw the natives being indoctrinated into the system as heathens whether they converted or not, ripe to be defrauded by the law they were being subjected to.

Love of Jesus does not have to mean, loving to dismiss some of the greatest crimes the world has ever known carried out by zealots, war mongerers, theives and despots and tyrants in his name.

Nor does it have to mean making excuses for them, when it's obvious these crimes harm you in real and measurable ways too.

Enjoy being radiated and virtually stripped searched at the airport, photographed by traffic cams, and sattelites, and having your every transaction and word monitored and recorded.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Cherryontop

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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There is a dramatic decline in Catholicism and Christianity world wide.
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At the same time, there is a huge increase in spirituality.
If you let go of labels, you can be as great as you were intended to be.


Cherry, I let go of religion a long time ago, I am not Catholic, and I grew up with conspiracy theories, my protestant family thought the CC was the great beast of revelation, none of this is new to me.

I am eclectic in my spiritual beliefs.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 08:58 AM
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Occasionally, there are frank assessments of differences, as in a U.S. Embassy memo from July 2001, which forecast continued problems with the Vatican over Israel, the death penalty and Iraq.

"The Vatican will continue to oppose U.S. efforts to isolate Saddam Hussein. We should recognize that the Vatican will not support our efforts in Iraq, and investigate ways to limit Vatican interference with our objectives," the cable said tersely.


Do you think the Vatican wields as much weight as it once did?

I am just saying, I don't think it does.

Posters that call for violence tend to frighten me.

Because I think education and reformation are needed when it come to,

" ALL FAITHS"
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Anyone notice how Wikileaks has a hands off Bush Co Administration? I'm not talking the crumbs left over I am talking the meat and potatos when it was in power. 1980-2008
1980-2008 you ask???
Reagan was never president the vice president was president. Clinton was simply a front for the rogue adminstration. They just made it look like they weren't.

Remember all the dead scientists?
Remember the Mena deaths?
Remember the false flags to cram and champion Fascist Police State Security?

Scandalous isn't it? Its the reason the plans continue forward...it is too hard to believe.

Why is it hard to put a finger on it? Because you are dealing with the unseen (spirit) rather than the seen (temporal)
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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The most secretive diplomatic and military communications are highly encrypted, and have been since encryption first started being used in the form of ciphers like the famous Enigma cypher the Germans were using during World War II that the British cracked early on.

Students of history will actually know that at the height of the Blitz on London the decision was made at the highest level to let English cities go undefended so the Germans would not discover that Enigma had been broken and devise a new code.

Thousands of British subjects died as a result in a cold calculated move to fool the Germans with the belief that millions of British Subjects could be saved and the war could be won if they only selectively acted only on certain tactically critical information yielded through the breaking of Enigma so the Germans would never get wise their encryption had been compromised.

I think one of the most important things we have unearthed in the All Roads Lead to Rome thread is some of the letters from the principle Banking Agents of Europe to the American Presidents over the bonds and stock investments in the United States and timely payment. While the cover of these letters would often say Rothschild and Sons or a couple of other Banking institutions like Gowan now out of business, they were memorials which were legal entreaties and protestations that often were sent on behalf of petitioneers named and unamed.

Many of them clearly threaten exposure of the U.S. Governments malfeasance and deception regarding the debt to the people if payments past due weren't rendered in timely ways.

The most important things coming out of Rome are likely in fact being handled through Agents of Rome.

The most important things being said between sovereigns are highly encrypted. When they aren't it's often because they are meant to be intercepted to blow smoke, where ruses and misdirection are being used.

Deciphering what is actually the purpose behind some messages is not always easy as a result of this.

I haven't seen anything of a Top Secret super sensitive nature come out of Wiki-Leaks and I doubt we will and I doubt they are in possession of such things as the encryption of such communications would likely be impossible to decode with todays computerized ciphers.

What we are though seeing here in this case is an 'unusually high level' of correspondence between the Vatican and about the Vatican that clearly makes it not just another church on the hill.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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a very interesting thread.


thank you.



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