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Vatican Emerges From WikiLeaks As A Key Player On Global Scene

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:43 AM
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I do agree, we will get much farther down the road if we dont muddy the waters.


Rome is using a simple plan really just based on Math, the desire by many people to include the confusing elements of religion, space aliens, and interdimensional beings really just leads to the dissention amongst the masses that Rome has always relied on dividing them in some form or the other.

People talk about Angelicans and Protestants as challenging Rome but in reality it's little different than letting a franchise owner of a fast food chain have the choice of getting his french fries locally or from the corporate headquarters distribution outlet.

Same God same basic concepts, just enough wiggle room to make it more palatable to regionalized people who are more prone to accept some ellements and reject others to give those people the illusion of independence from Rome.

As long as the majorit of people really want to believe this is about one God and what that one God wants and there is a right way or a wrong way to go about that, but unable to see it's simply a Rubix Cube Rome gave them to preoccupy and divide them with, even while at the same time binding them through some very common principles, most people are likely to never wake up in time before Rome declares the one world government openly.




Proto your work is well recognized, and thank you much for your efforts.


The truth is two years ago when I first started talking about Rome as still being in control of the world and behind the New World Order most of the site believed I was insane.

I have worked tirelessly to expose the ellements and connect the dots for people, and while many people still reject these theories, they have become widely accepted in large part because of my efforts but just as importantly events themselves like Foundation X and now Wiki-Leaks and some other major News Stories that have really gotten some people thinking and wondering, it's not going to be easy to take down Rome but I am more optimistic than even that it might happen as more and more people do their own research, read the wealth of material in treaties and public records, and the research some very talented and dedicated members have helped me amass in the All Roads Lead to Rome thread, which I actually made after so many members became interested in my theories on Rome that they asked me to lay it all out in one complete thread.

The opening piece is took up 45 pages in Micro-Soft Word and in the seven months since it's been published it's become the 6th most popular thread of all time here on ATS and still is yielding a wealth of research by some very dedicated members.




Very rapididly as of late. Which leads me to ask this question.

Do you see "Alien" Disclosure as a key to the next mile on the Road To Rome?


It is possible but let us harken back first to Ronald Regan's famous United Nations Speech when he said "The only thing that might unite all of humanity would be an alien invasion".

The question though I think we have to entertain is would Rome 'stage' an Alien Invasion specifically for this purpose.

Clearly we are doing alot of things scientifically with cloning and crop modification through Genetics.

Clearly we likely have some top secret military craft that could probably be passed off as UFO's.

I really can't imagine why a more advanced race would see much value in a very warlike violent and superstitious people such as we are, but I can imagine Rome modifying some human beings to appear alien and using advanced secret military craft to stage a mock invasion to unite Humanity into a one world cooperative to fight against it.

Honestly because any race capable of such distant interstellar flight would likely be fare more advanced scientifically the only way Rome could gaurantee the earth survived such a battle is if Rome was staging the battle by creating an elaborate hoax.

So yes we might see disclosure but not the precise kind of disclosure I think so many people are hoping for.




We have all been atuned to the Vaticans keen interest in the subject. I think they know far more than they have ever let on. In fact, they may be in on the plan.


There is that remote possibility but honestly I discount it myself, in part because I have had the fortune/misfortune to have led a well travelled and unusual life, I have encountered the powers that be and know some of them, and been heavily involved in some pretty huge conspiracies at the fringes of their inception as a result, I have yet though to encounter any being from another world, or any power that be who has even hinted that they might be present.

This is not positive proof that they don't exist, but if they do, it's about the only pile of dung I haven't managed to step in through accident or fortune.

As I said because Rome favors staging things with controlled outcomes, I would look for the aliens to simply be genetically altered and brainwashed humans, piloting earth made craft of a top secret nature, and using top secret weapons, with a strong probability that some holographic images based from space based lasers and imaging machines will also be employed.




posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by BluePillOrRedPill

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The Pope has the right to strike down any law passed in America since the year 1898.



So if we the people want things fixed in America, we should see the pope?
interesting.


Yes in fact it would be a wise idea.

It would be in fact a tragic mistake to understimate the Pope's distinction by Universally Accepted Treaty from the 1100's as the Vicar of Christ, God's sole legal representative on earth.

In reality when George Bush said God told him to invade Iraq in the Rose Garden since the Pope is legally God through his title Bush may in fact have been referring honestly to the Pope, where it is quite concievable while talking to him on his phone while walking through the Rose Garden the Pope did say, go ahead, invade Iraq.

Fellow ATS Member Serbsta actually dug up this law from the 1890's as part of his many contributions to the All Roads Lead to Rome thread.

It is a real and valid U.S. Law passed by Congress at that time.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Fellow ATS Member Serbsta actually dug up this law from the 1890's as part of his many contributions to the All Roads Lead to Rome thread.

It is a real and valid U.S. Law passed by Congress at that time.


I remember reading it, is there any proof that it means exactly what it says or that it has ever been enforced or is it taken out of context, I would like to read it again, but it is late and I don't want to go looking for it, but it should be posted in the last several pages of your thread.

I just don't know, I would like to read the whole document it was taken from, not just an excerpt.
en.wikipedia.org...

It just seems odd to me that protestant founding fathers would be subject to catholic authority, but interestingly enough I remember that the Methodist still maintain some allegiance to the catholic church, I was one BTW.



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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by burntheships
 




Very rapididly as of late. Which leads me to ask this question.

Do you see "Alien" Disclosure as a key to the next mile on the Road To Rome?


It is possible but let us harken back first to Ronald Regan's famous United Nations Speech when he said "The only thing that might unite all of humanity would be an alien invasion".

The question though I think we have to entertain is would Rome 'stage' an Alien Invasion specifically for this purpose.

Clearly we are doing alot of things scientifically with cloning and crop modification through Genetics.

Clearly we likely have some top secret military craft that could probably be passed off as UFO's.

I really can't imagine why a more advanced race would see much value in a very warlike violent and superstitious people such as we are, but I can imagine Rome modifying some human beings to appear alien and using advanced secret military craft to stage a mock invasion to unite Humanity into a one world cooperative to fight against it....

So yes we might see disclosure but not the precise kind of disclosure I think so many people are hoping for.



Proto,

I must admit at this point what I have researched only lends credence to the concept that in the near future, as they lead us to hope for something more, they are just dangling a carrot in front and this soon to be "disclosure" will be a staged event.

They have the means, the motive, and the power.

Do they have a reason? I think the answer is yes, and it is rooted in decieit.


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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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First off the Founding Fathers were not all Protestents, many were Diests and mosts were in fact Masons.

Maryland was a Catholic Colony. Massachussettes was what was known as a Charter Colony a corporation of religious Pilgrims who were granted a Charter to colonize that area. Virginia was a Charter Colony too, though primarily just a corporate one, a business venture, that became heavily tied to Bermuda when one of it's relief and supply ships wrecked there and granted the same company for a time a Charter Colony in Bermuda as well. Pennsylvania the most important of the early Colonies though was a proprietary colony where William Penn was the Law and Authored the Great Law which was in fact so well crafted it legally can't be superceded.

Pennsylvania by the way is Latin for Penn's woods.

So while it was principly populated by Shakers and Quakers, Penn was obviously influenced signifincantly by Rome to name his Colony a Latin/Roman name. In fact, Penn conspired mightily to usurp as many of the Catholics from Lord Baltimore who was in charge of Maryland at the time, by claiming that parts of Maryland that bordered Pennsylvania were in fact surveyed into his Colony and Lord Baltimore was taxing them more heavily and forcing them to live under stricter rules than he would, and to switch allegiance.

He had some notable success with this, personally writing many of the Catholics on the Border and then visiting them in person.

As I have cautioned you countless times, religion as to precisely how you worship Christ is not as important to Rome as you are bound into a system that bases all authority off of that version of God.

The Vatican also functions as a business, an enterprise, and one of the ways it did in the Colonies was through something called a Land Rent. Land Rent is still legal in Maryland by the way. There were two kinds of land that you could buy in the colonies, one gave you actual allodial title, you owned the land unencumbered. The other allowed you to erect dwellings on the parcel and to buy existing dwellings on the parcel but you actually had to pay a yearly land rent, on what were usually one hundred year leases.

The parcels that charged land rent where those parcels still owned by the Kings of Aragon and Spain who had been given all of the Americas in the Papal Bulla of 1490 before Columbus sailed to ocean blue.

Land Rents in Pennsylvania were not outlawed until well into the 1900's, so Rome was still collecting on it's holdings, it's business holdings that really have not one thing in the world to do with religion.

Chances are Pennsyvlania finally came up with enough money to finally purchase the rest of the land from Rome. The Kings of Aragon and Spain were only set up as manager vassals in the Bullah.

The fact that Land Rents are still legal in Maryland actually displays that Rome still does contractually own outright some of the land still here in America.

However most of the American infrastructure is owned by the European Nobles and Banks who sent the endentured servants and vassals to build it, and lent the money to pay for it's construction.

Rome is a business that uses a religious front, the religious front creates some common laws, those common laws favor Rome's system of commerce, and are shared by Christians, Jews and Muslims alike and it really doesn't matter to Rome that you aren't Catholic.

It's not a Catholic Conspiracy, it's a ROMAN conspiracy.

Finally the law Serbsta found did not come from Wikipedia, but a Canadian Journal of Reviews of U.S. Laws. Researching it is easy enough as all you have to do is type in the Code Number into the Library of Congress Thomas Beta Version to actually pull up the session of Congress who authored it, and when it was enacted.

I have found one case from 1848 from a land appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court with the Cheif Justice clearly states in his ruling opinion that his decision meets all the requirements of The Great Law of William Penn, the Crown Law of England, and the Catholic Cannons and thefore is legal on all three grounds. This was 66 years after the U.S. Constitution allegedly became the law of the land.

Honestly StormDancer you seem to just like to confuse yourself, for the sake of confusion.

This stuff has all been laid out for you so many times now, by so many of us, you ought to know it backwards in your sleep already.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by yrwehere1
This should come as no surprise to anyone. The Vatican helped many Nazis escape around the end of WW2 and shortly after....

Nazi Gold and the Vatican
www.weirdload.com...

The Vatican and the Third Reich
www.youtube.com...

The Rise of the Fourth Reich by Jim Marrs
www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_10

The Vatican and Nazism in Germany and Croatia
www.emperors-clothes.com...



Thank you for the links, sites look very informative.

Its not a suprise, but one can never have too many credible sources, thanks!



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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I´d rather have the Vatican controlling the world than some communist or capitalist group. I´m not a believer but ideologically I feel much closer to many of the church´s ideas than the communists or the greedy capitalists.

Have you looked at the succession method in the church? isn´t it much better than this democracy of the fools that we live in?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:17 AM
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Im really hoping people arent amazed at this news article, lol theve been scheming since as far as people can remember, not really anything new for me, the real sad thing is many catholics will lose faith in whats right, because of old mentality, power mongers that run this once beautiful institution, really sad, im not defending them, i cant help but remember the good i learned from sunday school. I dont go to church, i dont call myself a christian, but i dont steal, cheat, dontmlie, i dont wish harm on others, and i try my best to be nice and helpful to others.

just my 2 cents



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by derfred33
I´d rather have the Vatican controlling the world than some communist or capitalist group. I´m not a believer but ideologically I feel much closer to many of the church´s ideas than the communists or the greedy capitalists.

Have you looked at the succession method in the church? isn´t it much better than this democracy of the fools that we live in?


I'd rather live with us the people controlling the world. Never kneel, never surrender, die for freedom.
Live life by the hart, and no law can fight against that.

You are more then just a human in my eyes



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 03:51 AM
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so do I but in the current state of the art that is impossible. people still controlled like cattle following the trends doing as the media tells.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by derfred33
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so do I but in the current state of the art that is impossible. people still controlled like cattle following the trends doing as the media tells.


. I advise you to stop saying/believing it is impossible, start saying the opposite.
Then it becomes possible. The cattle are innocent people, good people.
Its hurts when you see the diffidence between the 'cattle' and the ones who are awakening.
I was once deep a sleep, guess you where to.

This war is for your mind, unlock yourself and ban every limiting thought. Like it is impossible. ITS POSSIBLE


The great awakening is upon us.


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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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(isn't the white house is of roman architecture ?)

where were you guys since 1700 years to think that vatican was not a "key player on the global scene"

?
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:37 AM
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The Vatican rumours are True- and now?

Many topics have past us, this one points exactly to the evil ones, with credible backup(wikileaks)
But because we dont go over to action, tomorrow another thread will come to pass, and a month from now..?
Maybe 20topic have come to pass.

We should realize that if this is TRUE, then everything is infested with this dark force.
The reason we keep eating this bad news, is that there is something going on in the world that doesn't seem right.

Your reason for keep eating this news,is being verified time over time.

We know its all bad, and now?

I could go from the Netherlands to the Vatican, and on the road leading up to the Vatican people join me.
We just try to dethrone those how think they are more then humanity?
If we wont succeed, we will make the news. If we make the news, people will link our actions.
Link with that man who jumped of the falconry, the V for Vendetta shooting, we all want freedom.

This seems not that difficult, i can carry 4people in my car.

I know this seems extreme, but what they are doing is far more extremer




posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 05:28 AM
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(watch from 1:54 all about the Vatican) Good one to watch

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 05:50 AM
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The Vatican is probably the worst best/worst example of a secret society empire. they should be destroyed completely. all their wealth was stolen by the sword.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Very interesting thread
S & F



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 06:27 AM
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I have always believed the vatican to be above world powers, Linked to every secret society in the world. It acts as the glue between countrys to keep them as close (or apart) as posible. Yet works in a manner which is secretive to the us all. The fact the pope publicly asked this has suprised me!



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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I still don't see what was in the leak that has people posting under this topic in such an uproar,

And yes, Proto, I know they we not all protestant, I posted the list.

The majority were Episcopalian, which organized when they broke away from the church of England, because their clergy were required to swear allegiance to the British monarch
en.wikipedia.org...

www.adherents.com...


en.wikipedia.org...


] Anglicanism forms one of the branches of Western Christianity; having definitively declared its independence from the Roman pontiff at the time of the Elizabethan Religious Settlement, in what has been otherwise termed the British monachism.[4][5] Many of the new Anglican formularies of the mid 16th century corresponded closely to those of contemporary Reformed Protestantism; but by the end of the century, the retention in Anglicanism of many traditional liturgical forms and of the episcopate was already seen as unacceptable by those promoting the most developed Protestant principles.

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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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anyone ever think that maybe, the "legion" that Jesus encountered, was actually "re-legion" .. ? little play on words, but I do believe religion causes more harm than good.

religion goes to far to explain things, when they should only be a support group to help maintain good deeds.. instead they try to micromanage and influence aspects of life that they have no business in.. God gave me free will... so that I can make my own decisions, and learn my own lessons... religion does everything they can to destroy free will...

I say this to every religion that knocks at my door, and they have no response.. they then tell me that I need religion to get into heaven.. so I tell them that "I would rather goto hell on my own accord, then blindly follow a whole group of people into the depths hell."
I can accept being wrong, I cannot accept being fooled.

down with RE LEGION



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS

By who? More humans? Humans without computers? Humans whose minds grow feeble within 90 years?

You know if some ancient Egyptians built some immortal AIs thousands of years ago, I would be more inclined to believe some of these hypotheses. Even then the machines would have to have some amazing psychohistorical abilities.

The only plausible way this might work, and then probably for only a few generations, would be for the Engineers of such a project to be a religious cult and not just any old cult either. I'm talking about a cult with severe brainwashing and indoctrination, bound by a very strict religious code. There would have to be autistic "mentats" bred to compute various plans, with scribes adept at cryptography recording the computations in archives. Vast well protected archives would have to be established containing the data. The data itself would have to be treated as some holy code revered by the houses that comprise the cult.

The houses of the cult, would have to have an advanced, 19th century, understanding of mathematics, genetics/eugenics, sociology, political science, and economics.

I would also suggest the use of ancient Analytical Engines, using the same technology as the Antikythera mechanism. These engines would be revered as holy relics by the cult, possibly as "Oracle Engines".

Lastly and I cannot see a way around it, is the use of psychics, either as clairvoyant spies/inquisitors, telekinetic assassins, and the use of Channeling mediums.

This would historically, if they existed, make them offshoots of the Pythagoreans and Platonists. Or even better, Pythagoras and Plato could have been exposed to their "mysteries" or initiated into them.

I still can't see it lasting long though. The Roman Patricians didn't give much thought to the teachings of Pythagoras and Plato. There is no indication that until Marcus Aurelius, the Emperors cared much for philosophy.

If it was written as a novel, Dan Brown style, I would go with the above.

I still hypothesize, the forces at work are not human though and the Twelve are not simple myth.



Interesting idea

How about this way:
Create a “pyramid of knowledge” type system; that can work as a filter, so that only those who display the right characteristics or mind set move up a level.

The carrot in the system is that people will want to move up a level to acquire new information or skills or rewards, so they will train themselves to display the right characteristics or mind set – also have it so that those on the pyramid see themselves as an elite or that entry in to the pyramid will bring some kind of reward.

The stick in the system is, people won’t be inclined to stop at just one level, their own curiosity will drive them on to find what info or rewards the upper level has.
Also include dire threats to those who try to leave the system or reveal information about it

This way you don’t need technology, you just have to have an idea of what characteristic you want the people in the pyramid to have, give the system some money and i bet the rest will take care of its self, the system might even become self-correcting to accommodate new situations it finds in the future.



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