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Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by Human_Alien
What is your point? Reverse psychology or not, either way you play it, the whole debate is pointless.
that debate's not pointless to our grand kids who will be grappling for scraps and scavenging the wastes for their next meal.
i know i am getting all apocolyptical here, and rarely do i lose my cool in ATS-land, but the ol' "well, even if climate change exists, it is not human's fault" banter has reached it's boiling point within myself.
we sh!t all over this planet! that's that. and if we don't find a way to course correct, clean up our mess, and sort out a whole lot of loose threads (like tons of radioactive waste etc.), we will NOT be leaving this world a better place for our kids. the law of cause and effect will see to it.
so, barring some sort of deus-ex-machina, we humans better figure this one out asap.
edit on 26-12-2010 by mythos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by ANOK
It's not the average person who doesn't care, it's the Industrial moguls who don't seem to care. They pollute our waters, air space and even bomb our Moon! I never voted on any of this.
In fact, most people I know are very conscientious of their daily activities. Most if not all, don't litter. We recycle. We have composes etc. Some have even purchased hybrid vehicles.
It's the ones running and ruining this world who are to blame for every single thing that's wrong on this planet. Sorry. I don't say that because I don't want to take responsibility but we are ALL slaves to 'them". And that's just the way it is (for now)
Originally posted by mythos
Originally posted by sbctinfantry
What is your point? Reverse psychology or not, either way you play it, the whole debate is pointless.
that debate's not pointless to our grand kids who will be grappling for scraps and scavenging the wastes for their next meal.
i know i am getting all apocolyptical here, and rarely do i lose my cool in ATS-land, but the ol' "well, even if climate change exists, it is not human's fault" banter has reached it's boiling point within myself.
we sh!t all over this planet! that's that. and if we don't find a way to course correct, clean up our mess, and sort out a whole lot of loose threads (like tons of radioactive waste etc.), we will NOT be leaving this world a better place for our kids. the law of cause and effect will see to it.
so, barring some sort of deus-ex-machina, we humans better figure this one out asap.
edit on 26-12-2010 by mythos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ANOK
I agree.
Is the problem that when we say 'man made' you think we mean you? Are you taking this personally? Comes back to the not wanting to take responsibility doesn't it?
But yes the biggest problem is industry, I already said that, pumping crap into our atmos since the industrial revolution.
But also our use of fossil fuels. We could have done away with fossil fuels years ago, but it simply makes too much money for our 'masters'. Our problem is we are too passive and allow ourselves to be controlled by those who exploit us. We choose to drive cars. But it's a catch 22, the system is set up where most don't have a choice but to drive a car. Our whole system is set up simply to allow a small group of people to have a monopoly on the planet and exploit the rest of us. We didn't choose to drive cars originally, the desire to drive cars was created by it's producers, and then our infrastructure was set up around that without a thought of it's consequences. (most needs are really desires created by advertising etc.)
Now it's too little, too late! Your eco cars and recycling is too late! If it had been done when people first started warning us (at least the 1950's) then it might of helped, but no it made too much money and nothing was done until it was too late, as usual.edit on 12/26/2010 by ANOK because: typo
Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Have you ever thought of any way that we can reverse world climate when we can not, as a world, agree on a single other topic? Say that we do manage to come to the conclusion that Man Made Global Warming is real, what can possibly be done about it? Nothing.
What is your point? Reverse psychology or not, either way you play it, the whole debate is pointless.
Originally posted by Human_Alien
You mentioned taking responsibility and I just wanted to broach upon that with: it's the Industrial corporations that are polluting our airs and waters (not me) but I don't believe for a moment they are remotely effecting our weather. Two different paradigms.
I believe nothing that they say anymore. I've been like this for nearly 10 years now. It's a terrible way to live but this too, I blame 'em!
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Have you ever thought of any way that we can reverse world climate when we can not, as a world, agree on a single other topic? Say that we do manage to come to the conclusion that Man Made Global Warming is real, what can possibly be done about it? Nothing.
What is your point? Reverse psychology or not, either way you play it, the whole debate is pointless.
Huh? What is your point?
I didn't start this discussion. I didn't say there was anything we can do about it either. Why am I all of a sudden responsible for knowing what to do about it?
I thought I made it pretty clear in my last post, I think it's too late. How the hell do you reverse 200 years of pumpin' crap into our atmos? Even if it stops completely today, what we have already is not going away for a long long time.
It sounds like you don't want to believe man has a part in it because then you would have to do something about it?edit on 12/26/2010 by ANOK because: typo
Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by sbctinfantry
Well sorry but that's just my opinion isn't it, no need to get ya stacks in a twist.
Great you're trying to do something about it, I applaud you! If only we had done that from the beginning is my point. I was doing things about it 30 years ago before it was fashionable, sir.
I still think it's too late, the damage is done, I hope I'm wrong.
Originally posted by Human_Alien
Stop blaming us. The only thing we're guilty of is being a continuous slave to the Elite.
The geopolitics of oil
Capitalism's ruthless struggle for oil and gas
EVER SINCE oil became a crucial resource at the beginning of the 20th century, fuel for motor vehicles and modern warships, it has been at the heart of geopolitical struggle. Today gas, used to fuel electric power generation, industrial processes and domestic heating, is just as important.
Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions.