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Israeli foreign minister: Peace is 'impossible'

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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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Israeli foreign minister: Peace is 'impossible'


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JERUSALEM — Israel's foreign minister said Sunday a peace deal with the Palestinians is impossible under current conditions and that Israel should pursue a lesser deal instead — a concept the Palestinians swiftly rejected.

The latest diplomatic spat between the two sides came as violence along the Israel-Gaza border simmered. After days of accelerated Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel and Israeli airstrikes in response, Israeli soldiers killed two Palestinians on the border early Sunday.

Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, told a conference of Israeli diplom
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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How is this development not surprising?

IMHO there will NEVER be peace there till one of them totally wipes the other out...


Palestinian Authority Spokesman Ghassan Khatib rejected Lieberman's comments, saying most world governments — including Israel's — recognize the Palestinian Authority as legitimate. He said the Palestinians would not accept an interim agreement.

"It's too late now for anything except ending the occupation and allowing for two states on the '67 borders," he said, referring to 1949 truce lines that marked the West Bank until the 1967 Mideast war, when Israel captured the territory.

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Good luck with Israel giving anything back...

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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
How is this development not surprising?

IMHO there will NEVER be peace there till one of them totally wipes the other out...


Even after that there won't be peace as there is always "someone else". I agree though, there will certainly never be peace in that area with both of them around.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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It would help if he was to give some idea of what he means by long term interim agreements.

The Isareli's have dug themselves into the situation where, yes it would be impossible to just evacuate the settlements and draw back to the 67 lines.

If Lieberman is saying he has a long term plan that leads to a full withdrawal over a period of time which allows the illegal settlers to be rehoused in Israel then that would be a good thing.

Somehow I doubt thats what he has in mind.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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I don't think that "peace" is part of the program at all in the Middle East.

Israel was put in place there for a reason, and it is precisely to keep the world on the edge. This isn't just a "theory", no one can deny the history in that part of the world over the last century. They will have what is essentially "perpetual" war, always simmering in some way, until they have completed their mission.

The idea that WW3 "just has to" begin there seems to be common, but I don't think it will be allowed to go down that way exactly. I believe that TPTB plan on preserving Israel for a later time, possibly more of a true "apocalypse", but that could still be relatively far down the line.

As I've mentioned in other threads, the Korean peninsula was chosen a long time ago to serve as the "expendable" region for the hottest part of a coming war, which should "logically" involve the two large world powers of today, even if only by proxy. Perhaps Japan was initially selected (also in a logical geographical location), but after a couple of A-Bombs, it seems like they begged-off that fate, choosing to cooperate fully. And so, things shifted to Korea, where they remain to this day.

So, no worries! Israel is "safe" for now. As long as the PTB continue using Jews to push their global agenda, a place will be needed by them for sanctuary, and Israel serves that purpose very well.

JR
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:05 PM
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There is only one solution to this whole quagmire, it's called the "One State Solution", in other words, Israel bulldozes every inch of land the Arab Occupiers are in, and forces the Arabs back into Jordan, Egypt or Lebanon where they originally came from.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963


IMHO there will NEVER be peace there till one of them totally wipes the other out...



rocks against bullets ...
we know which one wipes which one out

(jews were living in that area and are still living in iran in peace for centuries)



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Through the many years that Jews resided in the Holy Land for this purpose, they enjoyed tranquil and cordial relations with the non-Jewish population there.

The Zionist movement which was formed at the latter part of the last century, sought to endow the Jews with a nationalistic character which was heretofore strange to them. It sought to deprive them of their historically religious character and offered in substitution of faith in G-d and adherence to the Torah, and belief in their ultimate redemption by the coming of the Messiah, a nationalistic ideology and the possibility of establishing through political media, a Jewish national homeland.


www.jewsagainstzionism.com...
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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I guess that's what always disturbed me about this dispute...how religion and G-D could be used as a pretext for suffering and death over a proverbial line in the sand...

Funny how G-D's message has been twisted over the Millenniums...



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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What are the covenants in the Bible?
www.gotquestions.org...

Answer: The Bible speaks of seven different covenants, five of which God made with the nation of Israel. Five of the covenants are unconditional in nature. That is, regardless of Israel's obedience or disobedience, God still will fulfill these covenants with the nation of Israel. One of the covenants is conditional in nature. That is, this covenant will bring either blessing or cursing depending on Israel's obedience or disobedience.

Palestinian Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10). The Palestinian Covenant amplifies the land aspect which was detailed in the Abrahamic Covenant. In this covenant, God, because of the people's disobedience, would cause them to be scattered around the world (Deuteronomy 30:3-4), and He would eventually restore the nation together (verse 5). When the nation is restored, then they will obey Him perfectly (verse 8), and God will cause them to prosper (verse 9).

New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34). The New Covenant is a covenant made with the nation of Israel which speaks about the blessings which are detailed in the Abrahamic Covenant. In the New Covenant, God promises to forgive sin, and there will be a universal knowledge of the Lord (verse 34). It even appears that the nation of Israel will have a special relationship with their God (verse 33).

Within the discussion of the biblical covenants, there are a few issues that Christians are not agreed upon. First, some Christians think that all of the covenants are conditional in nature. If the covenants are conditional, then Israel failed miserably at fulfilling them. Others believe that the unconditional covenants have yet to be totally fulfilled and regardless of Israel's disobedience will come to fruition sometime in the future. Second, how does the church of Jesus Christ relate to the covenants? Some believe that the church fulfills the covenants and God will never deal with Israel again. This is called replacement theology and has little scriptural evidence. Others believe that the church initially or partially will fulfill these covenants. While many of the promises towards Israel are still in the future, many believe that the church shares in the covenants in some way. Others believe that the covenants are for Israel and for Israel alone, and that the church is absent from these covenants.

Hmmm....

So is this the religious aspect that is in dispute? If so then Israels recent Nationalism Movement is another flub?

I'm Agnostic so all this eludes me...

Israel and the Palestinians
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by JR MacBeth
So, no worries! Israel is "safe" for now. As long as the PTB continue using Jews to push their global agenda, a place will be needed by them for sanctuary, and Israel serves that purpose very well.

JR
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Israel is in no need of a foreign defender. Israel is the dominating military power in the eastern Mediterranean. No other power comes close. It is also the only nation capable of wiping out any aggressor with a couple of button pushes. It is very safe and very nuke capable.

So the question comes up..... Why does Israel need to go back to 1967?

If it is so far a. of its adversaries why give up on the whole of the land of Israel?



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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One must read Zachariah 14 and the last part of chapter 13 to see what will happen to Israel in this upcoming Gog & Magog war . Israel will be crushed almost out of existence and will be forced to use their Nukes . This will drag Russia into the conflict to stop it . Israel can not fight Russia . The idea that God will protect Israel against all odds is flawed . Gods determinations concerning Israel will be carried out as prescribed in the Bible . Everyone seems to have forgotten the time that the Antichrist must have and bring his false peace . I believe that the time of his false peace will come when he steps forth to stop the total destruction of Israel thus many will liken him to the Messiah spoken of in the Bible that comes back and saves Israel . He will then commission the building of the Temple for his nefarious reason of showing himself as he were God . I also believe that the Jews will reject him and he will be furious and seek the total destruction of Israel. That's where Jesus would come and truly save Israel . These are my theories and we won't know until the time comes but I feel that will be sooner than later. The reason Israel exist today is because God wants it .



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by ufoorbhunter

Originally posted by JR MacBeth
So, no worries! Israel is "safe" for now. As long as the PTB continue using Jews to push their global agenda, a place will be needed by them for sanctuary, and Israel serves that purpose very well.

JR
edit on 26-12-2010 by JR MacBeth because: (no reason given)


Israel is in no need of a foreign defender. Israel is the dominating military power in the eastern Mediterranean. No other power comes close. It is also the only nation capable of wiping out any aggressor with a couple of button pushes. It is very safe and very nuke capable.

So the question comes up..... Why does Israel need to go back to 1967?

If it is so far a. of its adversaries why give up on the whole of the land of Israel?



Have you forgotten about Turkey? Turkey is the real dominant force in the east Mediterranean sea. Israel is nothing without the help of the West. It needed Palestinian firemen to put out Israeli fires!!! That should tell you a little bit about what Israel spends its money on. Israel could never be as powerful as it is without the U.S. financial, political and military backing. Israel is the West's pitbull for the Middle East. No U.S. backing would weaken Israel dramatically, especially its political power hold it has over the Western mind.

Check out this site:
www.globalfirepower.com...

Israel, except for nukes, does not come close to beating Turkey by itself.
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Hi SimonPeter.

I'm with you on God wanting Israel to exist.

When it comes to Russia I just don't know. Sure the Soviet Union was played against Israel on side with the Arabs, but post 1991 Jewish influence over Russia and its economy has grown. In many ways they are one and the same.

On the prophesies, well there will come a point where something will give. Israel can't go on forever (or can it) with total war and threat of annihilation, Arabs can't go on forever with losing wars and territory at the hands of a (basically) colonial settler state.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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Israel, except for nukes, does not come close to beating Turkey by itself.
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You said it. Turkey can not do anything due to that Israeli push a couple of buttons thing.

They would be taken out in minutes, which as sick as it sounds is true

Israel is safe in that knowledge.

So Lieberman can be honest and state "peace is impossible" because it does nothing for the dreams of the true Zionists. extra DIV



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
IMHO there will NEVER be peace there till one of them totally wipes the other out...

Or if enough americans protest like never before and funding is complete cut!!!

It is illegal to fund a nuclear power, if the American govt. one day finally decides to stop this illegal act, this can very much end the war.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Nukes are supposed to be a last resort so I doubt Israel would want to risk having the world against it by using nukes on a very Westernized Islamic country that is on our side. Like I said, Turkey would destroy Israel if Israel did not have the U.S. at its side. Besides I think Israel's M.O. is to rely on the Mossad to do the most damage - that way the war won't escalate to the point where Israel would have to defend itself directly.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Considering that in Islam, peace means to submit, I would assume that ANYONE who didn't want to submit would find peace/submission "impossible."

I sure would.



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