I'm working my way through the thread and formulating questions and statements based on quotations found here.
How about the story universally told by all these ancient cultures themselves about thier origins - and ignored by Archeologists - ie beings came from
the sky in flying machines and taught us how to grow crops, write, build etc and we worshipped them as gods - later on the gods started fighting each
other in thier flying machines, with weapons that destroyed whole cities etc etc.
I've never seen any credible literary evidence to suggest that ancient peoples believed they were visited by "beings in flying machines"
Visited by beings? yes.
In flying machines? no.
They're usually called ancestors, the dead, spirits, ghosts, and in other pagan beliefs are used to describe even the basic elements which surround
Research spiritualism and religious theology and you will find this has occurred everywhere on earth for millennia.
So where's the proof that ancient aliens and a once much higher intellectual social structure once inhabited the planet?
The proof is non existent and at the same time also not required. Because it is mental belief, not physical reality.
This is in reply to B.Morrison
.. where oh where do I begin.
Here are your carved heads: 12 photographs with locations -
12 photo's of carved heads - Australia
You will note that photos of the more believable rock art is the small and portable type, easily forged or imported here. The larger photos suggest
forgery or natural weathering.
Another example i'd like to point out is the photo labelled "Polynesian Face?" anyone educated in pacific region rock art would be able to tell you
that Polynesian examples are a) Rare. and b) Extremely well executed and in high detail. Also, the "Thoth in ape form" considering Thoth is an ibis
headed god in his natural form this is somewhat contradictory considering that no examples of the depiction suggested exist in any form to this
On to your next topic of interest
Ah yes, the Uru.
It's interesting to note that any "factual" examples of this "civilization" cannot be referenced or resourced outside of someone known as "Rex Gilroy"
who last time i checked, was not a founded literary or scholarly institution.
I'm not even willing to enter into a debate as to the authenticity of his claims, he is a self proclaimed author (with very poor book sales i might
add, simple tax file research resolves that) and beyond that cannot offer any credible evidence to support an alternate theory as to why he might
proliferate such untruths.
Just to test the credability theory, here's a simple point.
This extensive series of badly worn, ancient Uruan rock engravings found
outside Katoomba NSW [chalked in due to their faintness for photographic purposes]
describe apparent Birdmen, men in aeroplane-like gliders, saucer-shaped and other
balloon -type flying craft. There is an inscription explaining how to cons truct these craft
interspersed among flying craft.
Taken from Rex Gilroy's site.
This is taken from another site, providing examples of known forgeries and some of their histories.
Actually the carvings are part of genre of art and architectural styles triggered by the archaeological discoveries in Egypt in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries. The discovery of Tutankhamen's tomb, in particular, sparked a round of movies, novels and memorabilia in the 1920s and 30s.
Indeed, the "Tutmania" continues unabated today. It is no surprise then to find carvings of this nature in the rock and they have a valid place in
Australian culture. Another example is the carving of the sphinx alongside a miniature pyramid made by Private Shirley in the national park near the
road from Turramurra to Bobbin Head, in the northern suburbs of Sydney. The NPWS is slightly annoyed with the carvings because of the number of people
who want to see them, the Internet sites suggesting they have ancient origins and the environmental damage done by visitors. The Gosford City Council
has even received letters from visitors upbraiding the council for not doing more to conserve the "ancient" site and urging it to provide better
The Gympie Pyramid.
Uh... where's the pyramid?
URL TO GympiePyramid.org Photos
I'm not even going any further with that one.
The standing stones on the other hand have been claimed to have been 'completed' in 1992 by a celtic community, but they still acknowledge that some
stones weighed in excess of 30 ton.
was it even possible to erect a 30 ton standing stone in 1992?
You completely dissolved your own theory here. People actually admit to constructing these "artifacts" but it's still not good enough for some.
Also, by 1992 we had airplanes capable of flying loads of more than 30 tons, think about engineering achievement in the last 5 years let alone the
last two decades.
So was there ever a stone 30+ ton involved? and if so was it one of the 3 they found that could be used in their natural state...? Are there other
standing stones in Australia that this modern site detracts attention from? are there even any other stones at all? who knows.
And at a Hunter Valley location deep inland from Newcastle, NSW there stand three huge menhirs [standing stones] 7.6m above the ground, extending
below surface for about 18.3m! Each of these massive stones are placed close together on an east-west axis and are alien to the area. One is of
ironstone, the second is granite and the third a type of slate. They are flattish, weighing 2 tons to a cubic yard! Researchers have found that the
stones, which are in alignment with a lengthy row of monoliths erected nearby, act as a kind of stone-age electrical battery, storing and releasing an
often strong current of natural earth electricity which flows back and forth along the nearby alignment.
Are those researchers going to be attached to any kind of renowned scientific organisation by any chance?
Didn't think so.. For a couple of guys "Researching" in the bush.. they sure must have been tough to dig 18 meters down to find out how big this
Finally there are a number of odd & out-of-place artifact's listed at this site you may wish to look at.
I couldn't really be bothered going through the entire list, so i just searched the page to find how many of these wondrous artifacts are held at any
institutions (universities) that i might be able to visit one day.
Stone spheres found in a boomerang formation near Littlemore (CQ). The smallest being about 450mm round (18 inches) & the largest being about 1400mm
round (4 foot). They were taken away by the Brisbane University or Museum by train.
Neither of these institutions have any recorded details of such a find.. Someone might want to tell the webmaster.. I wonder if Rex Gilroy is
In 1931 in the N.W. Kimberley’s, Prof. A. P. Elkin, Professor of Anthropology at Sydney University came upon a tribe of Aborigines who had not met a
white man before. The professor was astounded when tribal elders greeted him with Ancient Secret masonic hand signs. He was struck by the startling
sematic features present in the natives.
So, if the natives had never met a white man before and i presume he's the one telling the story, how did Professor Elkin know how to differentiate
between traditional aboriginal tribal hand signals, and some kind of obscene gesture of masonry?
Indigenous Australians, are
known to have existed here roughly 40 to 50 thousand years ago, with some estimates exceeding 100 thousand years.
This is scientific knowledge and fact. They had the abilities to define their culture by ways of surviving day to day and assured knowing they were
guided by ancestral spirits.
Aboriginal culture is only now in recent years being more fully understood by archaeologists and anthropologists. It is now estimated that over a
million indigenous peoples could have inhabited this huge island at any one time, co-existing in tribal and communal agreements, in small settlements
and constantly roaming the country with their ability to share the knowledge of the land.
Aboriginal life here has been proven to be sustainable for thousands of years, archaeology is now showing that as with other continents the indigenous
peoples had access to now extinct species of cattle, birds, fish and much more plentiful wildlife than the meager percentage we manage to spare in our
To suggest otherwise as this thread has in some ways, is insulting and borderline racist in my opinion.
In reply to megabyte
I have always questions the ancients obsessions with astronomy - one would think that apart from basic knowledge of seasons the rest of intricate
astrological knowledge would not be useful enough to carve on so many clay tablets
Perhaps the ancient obsession with astronomy is more idealistic than realistic. What would you have focused your spare time on when all you had to
look at was the night sky thousands of years ago? Wouldn't you start imagining things?
Wouldn't you start looking for something more plausible than a mundane existence?
Yes, you would.. and thats what started culture, community, the ability to communicate, the ability to postulate, the ability to make art, and the
thousands of years of colorful history which we now have.
And as far as other people making up these fictional accounts of our history, well I've explained that once before too.. It's the by product of what I
was just talking about. Imagination. Our ability to want something more than we already have, the want for answers, for a mystery, intrigue.
My head kind of hurts after all that, so um since I typed for so long i apologize if I've come out cranky anywhere, no offence is meant.
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