It's the thought that counts (Christmas is only as Pagan as you make it)

Inevitably around the holiday season we are bombarded with commercialism: black friday, commercials, secular psuedo-Christmas trappings, more commercials. This has lead to dissent toward the traditional Christmas Holiday. We are reminded by 'experts' that Christmas is a holiday with pagan beginings and pagan customs, but is it really pagan?

First off let's address why there are pagan customs in Christmas. The pagans had their own Winter Solstice holiday in the time of early Christianity and the Christians were having trouble converting them and had only a rough idea of when Ya'hshuah was actually born. So aspects of the Yule-tide festival were adopted into a festival mass for Ya'hshuah. This increased the appeal of Christianity for pagans and gave the Christians a defined day to celebrate the birth of Christ. So whether or not you agree with the Pagan customs, you have to admit that it helped the spread of Christianity.

Is it the birthdate of Christ? Well there is a 1/365 chance of it being the day he was born, so it is unlikely but possible. We will probably never know the date anyway.

If you are a Christian and are worried about the Pagan customs, remember that "[Ya'hshuah] is the reason for the season". There aren't any pagan religious motifs in the Holiday (unless you are a Pagan or Wiccan and practice the traditional Yule festival) and if your intent is to celebrate Christ, then that is what you are doing. There is nothing wrong with adopting the customs and aspects of other cultures as long as you don't adopt their religion or idolatry (most Jews in the time of Ya'hshuah were reading the Torah in Greek). Heck, celebrate the birth of Ya'hshuah whenever you want. Open up to Matthew and Luke on Ramadan, Yule, May Day, Boxing Day, Thanksgiving; celebrate his birth in any country; in any culture: the intent will always be the same.

Merry Christmas to all and Blessings of YHWH/Ya'hshuah be upon everyone

reply to post by kallisti36
Kallisti36,

Well I believe probably Yahshua didn't make his birthday as a man easily known is because of the wrong use of it. Didn't want a great worldly celebration made of it but rather a solemn praise and thanks time.

On another note it is reasonally established He was born on or about the first day of Feast of Tabernacles. So then that time should be kept as laid out in scripture to give praise and worship for Him and for the Harvest.

Isn't it ironic then this is the time of His birth.

Go on the search line and put in "Christ's birth, Feast of Tabernacles" One I had read really laid it out very clear with the scriptures he brought out..

Truthiron.

Maybe it's only as "pagan" as you make it, but I make it out to be pretty "pagan."

"Pagan" is just a word the Catholic church came up with to hurl at native peasant people who they hadn't culturally destroyed yet.

The only reason we celebrate "Christmas" at all today, is because my Celtic ancestors were so resilient against the teachings of the church that the only way the church could rid themselves of the winter solstice celebrations, was to paint them as some "Christian" celebration, even though there is nothing of this time of year for Christians to be celebrating.


People remember the pagan roots, so to me they never fully succeeded in converting us all, or destroying our culture after all.

Originally posted by kallisti36


If you are a Christian and are worried about the Pagan customs, remember that "[Ya'hshuah] is the reason for the season". There aren't any pagan religious motifs in the Holiday (unless you are a Pagan or Wiccan and practice the traditional Yule festival)

I'd hate to be around when you find out what Mistletoe actually represents