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Are conspiracy sites actually helping those in government?

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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Just a discusion topic, but are sites like this actually aiding in "their" control over us? I'm new here. Big surprize. But when I see countless topics about how we are not in control, how we are just test bunnies for some nefarious government organization, I see people who feel that they are helpless and not taking control of their own destinies.
The government is doing this.
The government is doing that.
Poisoning our water, our meat, our crops, our banks, our . . . . ad nauseum.

What IF they are? Is anyone here going to offer solutions? What about fighting back. What about rising up against all these terrible things.
I mean, heck! If I just came to this planet and the first thing I read was ATS posts I'd say the planet was doomed an split for friendlier climes.

I see anger in the threads, the posts. But I think that we are giving the government to much credit. They (government) for the most part are as incompetent as anything, any other organization out there. They are run by people with the same weaknesses and frailties as any of us. They are NOT all powerful. They are NOT all knowing. By granting them this "unmeasurable" power/control over us, it's easy to feel weak and powerless against "them".

My final thoughts on this;
They (the government) are not all powerful.
They do not control everything.
We actually have more power than they do, just in raw numbers!
We are our own masters of our destinies.
We are in control. Any power they have, is given willingly by us.

And we have to stop doing that.
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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TPTB are sending signals to your brain through HAARP telling you to write that.

They have you fooled already because we are not in control of the government.

They want us to let our guard down and the minute we do they will clamp down on us with NAZI style fashion.

Do not be fooled they have already fooled us if they make us think that they are no big deal..


The government is watching...
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Sites like ATS can give governments a good assessment of what people believe, intelligence, are talking about, and their chances of actually rebelling against the government. There are provocateurs, trolls, and disinfo agents all over ATS and the fact that people come here and argue with those "agents" and ordinary people, means that nothing really gets resolved. No unity.

As for people, sites like ATS allows people to get their anger and frustrations out so they won't actually do anything in terms of fighting their government. Sure, people may try and plan something or call for unity but it doesn't work. People can't drop everything and rebel so they come here. It is also of course like FaceBook, a good social site for like-minded people to get together and talk about conspiracies among other things.

The entire internet helps governments but it is also harmful because the internet world is BIG that everything cannot be watched or monitored. Governments would like more control over the internet because of the rapid-fire ability to spread "harmful" news globally. You must not let "the people" know what you are doing and the internet and ATS does, which is why the government has certain people to come to ATS and exhaust people in arguments.

That's the goal: keep the people divided on ALL MAJOR ISSUES, let them label themselves as "sheep" and "awoken' to make them feel special or intelligent when in actuality we all sheep. We're all Winstons looking on.
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Bwahahahahahaha!
Thanks for your reply. But I still would like to think that any future I have will be written by me. I am in control, I can decide what I want to do, when I want to do it



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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So, if I get this right, the government allows strawmen, like ATS to allow people the perception of control? We can rant and rave but it is monitored by disinfo agents to direct?

Maybe. But membership here is huge. What if we got together and formed a political party? What if we gave unity to our distrust of he federal government? They would be knocked over in an instant.

I just cannot accept the fact that they have that much control over us. Any of us.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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In a way, yes. On certain topics, you can observe certain members intentionally redirecting, trolling, misinforming, heavily opinionated without facts on subjects that REQUIRE facts - anything to keep people from agreement, having a civilized conversation in which the ultimate goal is to reach a good, logical conclusion.

Governments are now trying to figure out how to control the internet. It won't work though.

The key, in my opinion, to defeating any tyrannical government is large-scale peaceful protest. So large that the media cannot be on the side of the government.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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Agreed. On another site someone mentioned that if net neutrality came into play, ANOTHER internet would take its place.
The goverment is incompetent.
If the US government were in charge of phones, we'd still have rotary dials! So I don't put too much faith in the evil over-reaching powers of the "government".



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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my opinion also there plenty of cracks in TPTB defenses and I think that the TSA should give us real good idea of who they control which is those who volunteer for it . Play their game by their rules and you're screwed .

but seriously there are not enough eyes and ears and cameras to monitor those who don't want to be monitored
and I don't think TPTB are trying that hard..but they want us to believe they are



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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Truth! Ma'am.

What better control than have your opposition define it?



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Twice now, I've seen you refer to the governing powers as incompetent. Which tells me you still believe the hollywood fluff that comes out of DC. They are nowhere near incompetent. But they would like you to continue believing that. They would also like you to believe you live in a "democracy", and maybe you do believe that. But you don't.

Omnipresent? Omniscient? Omnipotent? No. This they are not. But they don't have to be. They work smart. Not hard. Once you get the sheep divided, and policing each other, it's just a matter of maintaining the delusion after that.

Are these sites actually helping the gestapo, er..uhm, government? Yes, to a point. As was said above, they are a good thermometer. They are good places to spread lies, as well as truth. But even the Stazi, for all the hundreds of thousands they made disappear, still had their hands full with what was left. I'm sure it's a mixed blessing for TPTB. But they're working on it.

Speaking of the Stazi. Seems like I recently saw an article about one of their own working for the DHS. Imagine that!

I've seen some pretty good ideas around ATS on what could be done. But implementing them is a whole nother story. The lion's share of the population still believes whatever the MSM and big brother tells them.
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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but they keep tipping their hand arrogantly and people ARE sick of it,Dennis Kucinich just introduced a bill to defeat the fed ,even the most die hard supporters are now turning and running from Obama I see a huge tsunami heading toward TPTB I grant that it is perception.but I do believe that I am not the only one that has noticed that all the money on the planet disappears at least twice a year now and who's to blame.

Armed revolution is the wrong thing to do ,I think most people know that too, also I don't by the TPTB are uber smart evil geniuses that are ten feet tall and bullet proof try herding cats sometime LOL!

I can't find any evidence that indicates that even if they micro chipped every molecule on the planet that it would do them one bit of good they can't do anything right and a nest of thieves and con men are going to betray each other as often as they do us and it may not be happening the way the likes of you and me want but the sheeple are waking up I see it everyday

have some eggnog and a Mery Christmas Karma works the same on everyone TPTB included



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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If you have a plan to take over the world or to gain/keep control over your country it would be an obvious trap and predictable move to start a website with the intension to smoke out the subversive thinkers.....so you bet that they are on the www.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Conspiracy sites indirectly help the government, at very least, because focus on conspiracy theories distract the citizenry from current happenings in D.C. If you're still obsessing over 911, you sure as heck aren't paying attention to the things they're slipping into the food safety bill.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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I expect these sites are neither helping nor hindering. Don't kid yourself that we at all significant in the scheme of things. We probably give rise to a good laugh now and then though! Put us down under the category of light entertainment.
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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Yes, they do seem quite smug and confident in their stranglehold over us in the past few years, don't they?
And yes, people are getting weary. But they keep falling back to the left-right paradigm. There is no left or right in DC. It's all an act. It's hollywood. And if the people ever truly get a grasp on that, they're going to be angry. And then we might have a slight chance. But it isn't likely to happen.

There's much that could be done without violence. But there's too much division among the people. It would take a lot of us working in unison to get our point across. Again, unlikely to happen.

Happy Holidays to you and yours.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 11:05 PM
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Back atcha Klassified ! Have a great Holiday and don't lose hope I think things are changing
I laughed when I heard David Wilcock call them them The Powers That Were! haha! I 'm goona use that!



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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Thank you all for your replies. I appreciate the insight.
Though, still sceptical.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 07:11 AM
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you should be skeptical,the fight has just begun lots of battles have yet to be fought .but TPTW are not invulnerable,
and they aren't gods they are greedy psychopaths and they only have a feww of the same tricks that they use over and over .learn the tricks and don't fall for them .

Happy Holiday !beezzer !!!



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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Be skeptical. It's healthy. But be equally skeptical of everything. Including what you think you already know.
A few links to some light reading that may or may not interest you. Enjoy or ignore.

Cartesian Doubt

Consensus Reality



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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And a very Merry Christmas to you and yours, ma'am.



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