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Most Schools Violate Free Speech Act, New Study Shows

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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Most Schools Violate Free Speech Act, New Study Shows


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Two thirds of colleges maintain speech codes that violate students' First Amendment rights, according to a new report released by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE).

According to Spotlight on Speech Codes: The State of Free Speech On Our Nations Campuses (PDF) 67 percent of public and 65 percent of private American postsecondary institutions -- out of 390 in total -- received a "red light" rating from the nonprofit organization for maintaining at least one policy that "clearly and substantially restrict[s] freedom of speech."
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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While I will leave it up to the reader to decide on their own where the line should be drawn on freedom of speech, I think many of us here, especially at ATS would agree that the 'educational' system in general---From our earliest ages---sort of discourages not only free speech, but freedom of IDEAS and creativity.

Case in point, if a student happens to disagree with, or questions material being taught, what usually happens?

He / she is often looked at as being 'disruptive', and subject to disciplinary action, or marked down on the grading scale.

So the scholastic program in general is DESIGNED to keep us from expressing free speech IMHO, at ALL levels, not just on university campuses.

Still, an important issue to talk about.

Let's hear some of your thoughts on this issue people...

www.huffingtonpost.com
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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Free speech has been stifled forever, I was one of those kids who asked too many questions and was always in trouble, teachers couldn't answer those questions or if they could they wouldn't. Shut your mouth unless you're called upon.

I don't know about High Schools today but colleges definitely have their own agendas.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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I have been to 7 schools around my city and all of them... They will all tell you, you do not have rights until your 18. At the time I knew nothing about the law. I knew that it was wrong but I all so knew that the schools could get away with it. Our schools teach us how to live in "the real world". If we wear given %100 constitutional rights, and they actually tough us the constitution and to use it to defend our rights then we might not be in the state we are now. Schools is a sham from the get go. Your govt forces you to go, if you do not then you face a bunch of fines, court free's and child services will evaluate your family. I know because I had to go threw it. They do not actually teach you, my last years of high school wear so easy. It just seemed as if they wanted to get all of us out of their. They did not care about our education. In elementary school my teacher tried to put me on ritalin. She was a old laddie, a very boring teacher. I was only 7. I remember other KIDS HAVING MEDICATIONS!!! Its freaking crazy. Its like something out of a sci fi movie. Millions of kids around the country march into their own brain wash camps and they cannot even see it.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:21 PM
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My teachers and school councellers tried to get me on that crap when I was in kindergarten, I am very glad that my parents had the brains to get some opinions of qualified people, and not just take the note to the doctor they recommended and turn me into a zombielet lol. Under the advice of my psychologist, my parents signed me up for martial arts classes instead, a fun way for a young person to learn focus and discipline, while learning self defense and confidence at the same time.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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Yep, my gf is a 2nd grade school teacher in southern California. The principal informs the staff on what you can and can't say. For example you can't mutter the phrase "thank god its friday". While the kids are running around cussing like drunk Marines in a bar, the adults have to mind their speech.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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The real issue is not a lack of freedom of speech, but that they force you to learn what the status quo thinks is acceptable and the way they want to. Generally speaking there are no "ifs and buts" but to some degree it also depends on who is teaching the material. Some teachers follow the text strictly while others deviate and add their own material. I have had both kind of teachers and you can tell who is doing it strictly for the money aspect rather than those who love to teach.

The material in the texts is pretty straight forward but often inaccurate and boring. History and science in particular are way off in terms of correctness but I learned that after I got out of school. How many teachers taught you anything about ufos in science class and how many teachers told you anything about the arrogance of europeans in relation to how they treated native americans...classic examples! A lot of controversial things are hidden and you have to dig them up yourselves.....Or how many teachers tell you the income tax scheme is a fraud?

The education system is run by state and federal beaurocrats who have everything to gain by limiting your knowledge and learning experience to how they see fit. Lets not kid ourselves here! Its how they stay in power and prolong covert tyranny. People tend to associate slavery only with chains around your neck and legs, never do they stop to consider anything else. The system will not allow it. You get out of high school or college and its off to work so you can buy a house/car, start a family and pay the bills. Then depending on your job title and pay some people work till at least 62/65 so they can retire and live 15-20 years in relative peace...its the nature of the beast?



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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You lose access to your rights when you are on private property.

Examples:

Walmart can kick you out of their store for having a gun.

Your best friend can kick you out of his house for saying something he doesn't like.

You can be refused access to traveling in a company's vehicle if you refuse to be searched.

The future of a corporate society is one with no rights whatsoever.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Sometimes the university where I teach even gets too "politically correct" for me, who is basically sympathetic to their agenda. I support their goals for the most part, though. There is no reason for those who are minorities in terms of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or etc. to be demeaned by either faculty or students in the classroom or on the campus.

It's not hard for me to comply with the guidelines most of the time. I have one particular gripe, though. The faculty who are atheist can proclaim their lack of faith and be as contemptuous of religion as they like, while those of us of faith are expected to keep our mouths shut and not proselytize. There have been several instances in which I have felt a reference to the spiritual would be relevant but refrained because it would be considered imposing my religion on others.

I personally don't see atheists as a persecuted minority, but I guess maybe it's better to err on the side of caution.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:33 PM
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The public school system (at least in the U.S.) is one of the most vile and disgusting things ever... I`m sure it didn`t start this way, but just like the mass media and churches and government, public schools are an obvious target for evil doers of all types. Nobody actually listens to kids these days. And to quote Rod Stewart, "there aint no point in talkin when there`s nobody listening" (the rest of that line goes "so they just ran away"...yeah). I make it a point to listen to my 15year old sister and to talk to her friends. I`m the "cool" older brother and they don`t really look at me as "one of them", an adult. One of her friends, a 14 year old, was complaining that she had detention the next day because a teacher palmed her butt and she freaked out on him for it. And they were all acting like this is normal. Now, I know that kids will make stuff up. But I believed it. Another thing I hear about is how all the students know which teachers will give good grades and favoritism to any girl who "lets them" look down their shirt by wearing shirts that show cleavage. And this is high school we`re talking about. TBC`d


 
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by againuntodust
You lose access to your rights when you are on private property.

Examples:

Walmart can kick you out of their store for having a gun.

Your best friend can kick you out of his house for saying something he doesn't like.

You can be refused access to traveling in a company's vehicle if you refuse to be searched.

The future of a corporate society is one with no rights whatsoever.


Many people fail to realise corporatism is the main branch of capitalism. In a pure capitalist society, "small" government is rendered practically useless because private property means *you the corporation* or *you the individual* can do as you please on your premise. Government involvement is mostly for the public sector but what "public sector" are we talking about when everything is PRIVATE?

I would not go all the way to communism to solve society's problems because then you become a slave of the state and no one likes that either. I think we need a capitalist-communist hybrid called socialism, much like wesern european socialism of the 60s through 80s BUT with state banking this time. A private money supply prevents true socialism from developing and creates reliance on the bankers, again something tremendously overlooked by everyone..even socialists!



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective


While I will leave it up to the reader to decide on their own where the line should be drawn on freedom of speech, I think many of us here, especially at ATS would agree that the 'educational' system in general---From our earliest ages---sort of discourages not only free speech, but freedom of IDEAS and creativity.

Case in point, if a student happens to disagree with, or questions material being taught, what usually happens?

He / she is often looked at as being 'disruptive', and subject to disciplinary action, or marked down on the grading scale.

So the scholastic program in general is DESIGNED to keep us from expressing free speech IMHO, at ALL levels, not just on university campuses.

Still, an important issue to talk about.

Let's hear some of your thoughts on this issue people...

www.huffingtonpost.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


For school systems to not teach freedom of speach in all it's forms, they are violating our constitutional rights. That is an A+B=C conclusion. I ask you to think outside the box, however.

1) When was the last time any of you, constitutional lawyers aside, were taught in depth by any school about the constitution, declaration of independence, and bill of rights?

2) When you were probably taught this in high school for no more than a week, was serious debate discussed?

3) If it was held at some point did you feel like you had the tools to even hold that discussion that you would almost 100% assuredly prefer to go back and hold today with your current knowledge?

You see, the problem isn't that our education system is infringing on our rights, because if we actually were educated about those very rights, we would not have the issue to begin with. Our youth today grow up in a land of oppression that attacks from all angles. It's a sublte, subversive attack, whose goal is first to create a culture of ignorance and then to gently plant the seeds of deception and disinfo that grow like a cancer.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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In 8th grade we did a whole month dedicated to the constitution, the bill of rights and a few other related documents. One of the two teachers I considered good teachers I had in my whole school carreer. I loved that history class, made it fun to learn. Every friday we did review in the form of a gameshow he made up. Oddly enough, my two favorite teachers, were the only two teachers that supported our gradewide walkout protest, when the school decided to ban backpacks.
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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In 8th grade we did a whole month dedicated to the constitution, the bill of rights and a few other related documents. One of the two teachers I considered good teachers I had in my whole school carreer. I loved that history class, made it fun to learn. Every friday we did review in the form of a gameshow he made up.


I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm saying that with the average American stupidity today, lack of even basic contemplation of events leading up to such documents, and a real distaste for history in general, I ask how the majority could even grasp fully the concepts written about in those documents. Having said that, what tools are at your disposal as far as critical thinking, a desire to question the accepted standards, and enforced rules imposed? Which of those have been stripped from you during your educational indoctrination?

My main point is merely this, was the goal of the majority of your 'teachers' to teach you, or train you? Teaching instills critical thinking, proper research habits, nurtures a thirst for knowledge and encourages questioning the norm whereas training is a one sided shovelling of information that is imposed on the 'pupil' and standards are determined based on how much raw data is retained as opposed to the ideas they represent.

Does that make more sense?



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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Actually I was just editing to add more lol. I agree with you, that teacher was extraordinary, taught us better than our high school history teachers, who just glazed over everything. I mean high school logically should be more in depth, but it sadly was not . To say that what I learned in a month or two of history in 8th grade, was more in depth and important than anything I learned in high school history in four years is a sad thing. The education system does just seem like a factory made to break down kid's wills, crush their creativity, and send them into the world as lifeless passionless drones. Ready to bow down to the government and corporations, be happy to just be able to pay rent, buy a few trinkets, and work until you are no longer able to or die.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Not only is free speach restricted.. Theyre also taught WHAT to think rather than HOW to think.. The entire system programs them to conform and be mindless drones of the state.. Theyre getting indoctrination not education...



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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...when i was in public school (many decades ago), few of my teachers responded negatively if you asked questions or made statements that didnt follow mainstream concepts... their response depended largely on HOW you questioned or commented, not what you questioned or commented on...

...iow: rudeness got you nowhere except chastised, ignored or sent to the principal's office - but - a courteous and intelligent comment or question was usually entertained... college was the same (except there was no principal to give ya pops)...

...when my kids were in school and college during the 70s and 80s, their experiences were purty much in line with mine... things are always changing but i dont think this issue has changed so much...

...what i've noticed (in the last decade or so) is that some people think they have a constitutionally guranteed right to be disruptive, intrusive, obnoxious (aka alex jones syndrome) and when they're told to shut up or leave, they whine that their freedom of speech in being denied...

...an example of the above behavior can be found in tons of videos on youtube... someone goes to a meeting where the public has gathered to hear a specific speaker... the someone interrupts the speaker and gets thrown out, then whines that their rights were violated... the rude person falsely believes they have a right to intrude and be disruptive - and - they believe that is more important than the rights of the other people in the audience to listen to the speaker that they came to hear...



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...an example of the above behavior can be found in tons of videos on youtube... someone goes to a meeting where the public has gathered to hear a specific speaker... the someone interrupts the speaker and gets thrown out, then whines that their rights were violated... the rude person falsely believes they have a right to intrude and be disruptive - and - they believe that is more important than the rights of the other people in the audience to listen to the speaker that they came to hear...


The very definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and over expecting different results. If you would have me believe that disruption is always to retain a negative connotation, we must differ in our world view here. However, I was well enough to take in yours and return this analytical response and hope that you will return the same courtesy.

Take example with this scenario. A politician is meeting in a public forum, and while the whole event seems little more than a rhetoric repeating charade, a question is asked in turn by a participant of the audience. The politican rejects the question unsatisfactorily by merely using a form of evasion, marginalization or demonization. He could possibly resort to bringing up some anecdote about someone who is loosely similar though not at all related to divert attention from the question, though he never answers the question. Are we to call it "Alex Jones Syndrome" when that person demands an answer?

No speaker taking questions knows what the person whom he calls upon will ask, though in a public forum he should be prepared to answer any question that is remotely on topic. Having said that, what is wrong with a constituent challenging the politician's views on 9/11, or any other similarly taboo topic. Is it not something important to the voter? Will his vote and possibly many others hinge on that answer? It would seem good business practice to give at least a clear and concise answer either way his opinion may fall.

Now to put yourself in the shoes of the constituent questioner. If you are called upon to ask a question, should you have to read from an approved list? Well, not exactly. However, most of the persons whom you are speaking of are not asking questions about alien abductions, or time travel. They are asking about situations that changed the face of our country. They are not asking about distant wars barely visible on the spectrum of time, they are asking about very recent events which still have impact to this day on our very lives.

Sir, to me it seems that you are aiding in the very unfounded marginalization that would seek to silence truthseeking, liberty and integrity in our politicians. Is it not the ultimate duty of our publicly elected officials to bend to the will of the people? Who decides the will of the people? To say that these persons do not have a voice, one that is growing in popularity and legitimacy is naive at best.

Finally, I would like to reiterate that I have been very respectful of you, and will keep that in mind with any reply you offer. I only wish you do the same, as you apparently have not given the same people you demonize the same courtesy.

To expat : I would add that not only are they taught not to think, or what to think, but rather how not to think at all. How to take a legitimate question or challenge and instead of answer it, seek the answer, research the answer, to instead marginalize the question or person, as if that makes the question invalid.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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Case in point, if a student happens to disagree with, or questions material being taught, what usually happens?


The teacher answers the question or tells you to ask it when they're done teaching so you can discuss it with them...? What do you think happened? They get hauled off to an imaginary FEMA camp?

I can imagine the type of material that conspiracy theorists would "question".



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Whyhi
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Case in point, if a student happens to disagree with, or questions material being taught, what usually happens?


The teacher answers the question or tells you to ask it when they're done teaching so you can discuss it with them...? What do you think happened? They get hauled off to an imaginary FEMA camp?

I can imagine the type of material that conspiracy theorists would "question".


What usually happens is they are sent to the principle's office when the disagreement isn't reconciled to the teacher's liking. This is what should happen. Any good principle will hear both sides of the issue and then make a decision for the best. However, schools are run more like prisons today than schools. I recently visited my old high school after ten years and had an easier time visiting a friend in prison that I did getting my transcripts ordered that day. I also revisited again two weeks later for my daughters Christmas Pageant that was held in the theatre, and again was confronted with overzealous and power mad police officers staring down innocent parents just there to see their children.

Of course, I have not seen you make a constructive post yet and you would much rather troll, so go check out some schools around the country and hold those same views. I say that as if you can even get into those schools! How incorrect for me to even assume that.

Finally, I only say this as a US Army veteran who has travelled much of the country and seen many schools in different areas, attended many as an 'army brat' myself and have lived the transition. What do I know? I was only just two weeks ago escorted by an armed guard to issue transcript requests.

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