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Where are all the ATS investigators?

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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Dear ATS.

On this most auspicious of eve's - A Christmas one no less, I ask a question, humbly, and with respect.

"Where are all of our intrepid, and sceptical ATS investigators?"

I have lurked for many a year, and participated for only a short time. But during my lurking days, I used to see several excellent contributors that would actually go out and empirically investigate issues. Now, they are few and far between - and when they do contribute, the seething mass of half-breed trolls and other ATS species jump on them like savages and rip their threads apart - or saturate them with vitriolic puerile miasma.

I wonder, is there any way attract these excellent contributors back, to investigate underground issues properly? Or perhaps train new investigators?

I tire of seeing the same old crap and ignorance regurgitated time and again, with no GENUINE breakthroughs appearing, or real, evidence-based detective work. At the risk of sounding hollow, I'd do it myself, but I'm a busy chap - surely there are people out there well-placed enough to provide said evidential investigation?

Could we have a class of ATS member known as an investigator? Someone that brings a new PROPER story every quarter?

Just a thought.

The Revenant.




posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:11 PM
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Could you elaborate on the term "investigators? Are you referring to people actually going out on the road to investigate like a detective or are you speaking of internet investigations - thorough research is what I would refer to instead of investigators. I haven't come across any investigators in ATS unless their lurking and checking us out.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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I'm gonna take an easy out and say they'll be back in full gear after the holidays. Christmas puts investigations on the back burner. Me thinkst. I've noticed it to though so great observation and a good thread. Flag .
Merry Merry

Oh and I love your lead in line. Yes I recognise. Biggest fan of Hugo Weaving right here.
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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by The Revenant
"Where are all of our intrepid, and sceptical ATS investigators?"


Intrepid and Skeptic are here...

You should see the most important investigator every time you look in the mirror...

Private Eye Monkeys, not just for ATS investigations anymore...



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me

Originally posted by The Revenant
"Where are all of our intrepid, and sceptical ATS investigators?"


Intrepid and Skeptic are here...

You should see the most important investigator every time you look in the mirror...

Private Eye Monkeys, not just for ATS investigations anymore...



I thought that line went
"you need only look into a mirra" God that movie is just to much fun.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Although I agree that there are a lot of threads here that lack all sorts of stuff that makes them worth while, there are good ones in between.

The problem is I think, that there are loads and loads of new members, and threads posted, so much even that you easily mis out on the crèm de lá crème ATS has to offer.

One thing dear Revenant.
You must be aware that ATS is home to all sorts of non- English members. You see I'm Dutch and although English is a second language here, I do not posses the entire English vocabulary in my head, and it is not really fun to read a thread where I need to google more then 2 times only to understand what you're saying. ( No offense )

I do not want to tell you what to do and I like to learn new things, but really... Please be a little considerate towards your fellow non-English speaking ATS members. Please ?



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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Getting sick of trolls and / or people who won't listen to reason



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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reply to post by The Revenant
 


You answered your own question...



...the seething mass of half-breed trolls and other ATS species jump on them like savages...



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:14 AM
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reply to post by Chadwickus
 


I like Phage.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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Phage is 'busy' I sent him a case of Remy Martin



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 05:38 AM
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Thank you all for the input - and the constructive points raised.

To elaborate on my term 'investigators' - I mean people that actually bring EVIDENCE to the table. A while ago, I remember a couple of excellent normal members that did some first-hand investigating about FEMA camps. Their reports were original, their pictures real and compelling, their insights worthy and valuable. These people, as well as the others who actually archive 'dive' and those who dig into issues with a fervor never before seen are what I call investigators.

Since starting this thread, I have been contacted by some members of ATS who mention investigators with profile names that have now been banned, or have that have been put off the site by the sheer quantity of childish idiocy that now pervades most threads. These investigators seem to no longer view ATS as THE place to conduct their investigations, or to publish their findings. I can fully understand why.

Before anyone slaps me on this issue - I remember these members, as well as others that have simply faded away. They were truly excellent at uncovering truths, and denying ignorance. ATS is worse off without them.

We are however, still no closer to a solution on this issue. Our good staff member 'Mirthful Me' raises an excellent point in that we are ALL ATS investigators to a degree - yes, this is true. But those who are truly dedicated in what they do, and GOOD at it, are diminishing or gone. Could these people be attracted back in some way? Could people who perform at the levels described be rewarded by the community in some way?

Could we protect these accounts' contributions from rampant trolling or 'thread killing' by 'saturation'?

I'm looking for ideas, and input from the ATS staff here, as I think having a proper 'journalistic' and investigative corps would provide content that isn't simply 'milked' from mainstream media and blogs. Thereby infinitely raising the quality of said content in one fell-swoop.

Humbly,

The Revenant.
edit on 25-12-2010 by The Revenant because: Spelling & Typo's!



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 07:46 AM
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These investigators seem to no longer view ATS as THE place to conduct their investigations, or to publish their findings. I can fully understand why.


If ATS is no longer THE website, what is? That is, if there is one.
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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:28 AM
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Hmmm.

There is an ebb and flow on ATS. Always has been. And as the Internet evolves, so too does ATS. I suspect the membership here reflects the Internet population fairly accurately in terms of education, awareness and understanding.

As far as:


...the seething mass of half-breed trolls and other ATS species... (and) vitriolic puerile miasma.


Are you saying you prefer your vitriolic puerile miasma to occur on a more professional level?

That puerile and vitriolic attacks are acceptable if they're skilled, covert, camouflaged, sanctioned and/or motivated by professional-level competition, but not if they simply reflect common ideological or idiosyncratic rivalries between ordinary people?

That ATS' goal to "deny ignorance" does not apply if the population really is ignorant and the job is difficult?

That ATS should forget about the ordinary people, play to the already educated and converted, and focus on building fan clubs?

That ATS should compete with Wikileaks (but not provide a site mirror)?

Not sure I get your real point here.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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i very much agree. we need people to start researching more. i kno i have. i have just started my owm secret organization to do this kind of research. but not many people are doing the same. i think if people get on here to find the truth then they should try and contribute a little.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Why does someone else have to be this wonderful investigator? What have you done, and what wonderfully investigated threads have you contributed? If it is so full of trolls here, why are you here?

Originally posted by The Revenant
Dear ATS.

On this most auspicious of eve's - A Christmas one no less, I ask a question, humbly, and with respect.

"Where are all of our intrepid, and sceptical ATS investigators?"

I have lurked for many a year, and participated for only a short time. But during my lurking days, I used to see several excellent contributors that would actually go out and empirically investigate issues. Now, they are few and far between - and when they do contribute, the seething mass of half-breed trolls and other ATS species jump on them like savages and rip their threads apart - or saturate them with vitriolic puerile miasma.

I wonder, is there any way attract these excellent contributors back, to investigate underground issues properly? Or perhaps train new investigators?

I tire of seeing the same old crap and ignorance regurgitated time and again, with no GENUINE breakthroughs appearing, or real, evidence-based detective work. At the risk of sounding hollow, I'd do it myself, but I'm a busy chap - surely there are people out there well-placed enough to provide said evidential investigation?

Could we have a class of ATS member known as an investigator? Someone that brings a new PROPER story every quarter?

Just a thought.

The Revenant.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Why does someone else have to be this wonderful investigator? What have you done, and what wonderfully investigated threads have you contributed? If it is so full of trolls here, why are you here?


You prove my point with your 'contribution'.

Re-read my OP again, and engage brain before typing


So far, (as usual) I've heard no constructive ideas - does anyone have any?

Rev.
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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Polite redaction

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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Phage is 'busy' I sent him a case of Remy Martin





posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by woogleuk
Getting sick of trolls and / or people who won't listen to reason


Yes. I am somewhat in that boat. As another poster queried about the difference between a "detective" type of investigator that actually goes out on the road and does some dedicated in-depth investigation, or simply an internet "research ranger." I fit into the former category as a working private investigator, and I do quite a bit of investigation into topics that I discover here on ATS. I used to consistently share my findings here, based in fact rather than opinion and theory, only to be accused of opinionizing on ATS. Some of my findings, I am holding on to until I can find the appropriate responsible party to share them with (someone who can actually "do" something), others are being included in an anthology I am currently working on which should be ready to publish by next November.

Most of the things that I investigate are some of the most controversial topics on ATS. There are very little real "manners and decorum" here, and some simply do not deserve to be treated with respect that they refuse to show others (as an example; pushy religious types, some of whom are possibly involved in domestic extremism and terrorism). I have posted here under about 17 different user names (give or take) over the last seven years, and have been treated equally poorly under every name. These days, I generally stick to lurking and finding new things to occupy my investigatory faculties with. I am sure that I am not the only one either. I know 23 other detectives in the US and several European countries who work the same way. We are not "out to get you" or a part of the "New World Order." We are all private individuals who are mostly digging into things on the ground that no one else will. There is quite a network of us out there. The problem is, the more rational researchers and readers on here simply did not "have our backs" when the "chips were down." So we stopped sharing. Some of us, anyway...I am speaking for 12 people who post under about 39 different accounts right now.

Not that there won't be another time that I, or others opt to give ATS a chance with full disclosure of investigative findings once more. But that takes time. I am still sharing about 20% of my findings in relevant threads (under several different currently active accounts), but am still received with great incredulity. This makes "doing the job" much more difficult. It would be easier if I were a "paid shill" but it is those very suspected shills which have been the subject of my investigations in times past. I do not get paid for the work that I do derived from this website, and the only people who benefit are the victims who never know the true identity of their benefactor. Not that I am complaining. What I am saying is that it is sometimes easier to help one or two people if the whole mass of interested people (the masses of ATS) do not know that help is being provided or the findings of the investigations.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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Thank you for that most eloquent, and restrained post. You've really summed up what I'm getting at here.

What is the point of ATS, if not to bring relevant, 'accurate-in-intent', and empirically affirmed content to the world that wouldn't arrive otherwise?

Wikileaks is nice, but ATS is a more organic structure for this sort of thing - and covers different ground. For ATS to survive and produce GOOD, SOLID content for the conspiracy world, this issue needs to be addressed with the importance that it deserves. So far, it doesn't seem that important.

Is it REALLY all about the number of 'uniques' per day to boost advertising revenues? Or is the old ATS fundamental purpose still alive and kicking?

We NEED these investigators.

The Revenant.



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