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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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Have you read any Hollow Earth theories? I believe they already theorize on what you bring up. The theory explains that the gravitational field may not be at the center of the earth as thought but more so near the outer crust.

Also do you know that the sun comprises of 70 percent Hydrogen? Do you know that the earth is comprised of over 75 percent water? H20 = Hydrogen and Oxygen.
So tell me again how the earth couldn't have a sun. All of the elements are in place. Just because you read a theory in school that hasn't been proven doesn't make what I write wrong. I can't prove this either so I think it's pretty safe for me to have a hypothesis like earlier text book science. Has anyone drilled to the center of the earth and proven the text books right or did you just watch the movie "The Core" and submit yourself as an expert?

Ask yourself if the text books where fact then why would people like Brooks Agnew and others still be trying to find out if the Earth is hollow or not?

The Panda bears use to be myth. A black and white bear that is vegetarian? Then one was killed and brought back to civilization. No so much a myth anymore is it?

People need to stop acting as though they know everything and open them selves up to see that we are just at the tip of the iceberg with our knowledge. We are still in the process of relearning a lot of what our ancient forefathers already knew.




posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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davidpratt.info...


How much faith can be put in the theories concerning the composition and density of rocks at different depths? The only place where the accuracy of scientific models can be tested directly is in the uppermost few kilometres of the crust. Although oil companies have drilled as deep as 8 km on land, they drill in sedimentary basins. The igneous and metamorphic basement, which averages 40 km thick and makes up most of the continental crust, has rarely been sampled deeper than 2 or 3 km. The deepest borehole drilled for scientific purposes is located on the Kola Peninsula near Murmansk, Russia, in the northwestern part of the Baltic Shield. The drilling of the main borehole began in 1970, and a final depth of 12,262 metres was reached in 1994. The drilling of this and other deep and superdeep wells has produced one surprise after another, and the findings have been extremely embarrassing for earth scientists [1]. One scientist commented: 'Every time we drill a hole we find the unexpected. That's exciting, but disturbing.' And a science reporter remarked: 'Kola revealed how far from truth scientific theory can roam.'



It is generally assumed that temperature increases with depth, reaching 1000°C at a depth of about 80 km, 4800°C at the core-mantle boundary, and 6900°C at the earth's centre. It is certainly true that mine shafts and oil drilling operations have indicated significant increases of temperature with depth. Indeed, superdeep drilling has shown that temperature increases with depth far more rapidly than predicted. In the Kola borehole, the temperature at 10-km depth was 180°C rather than the expected 100°C. Measurements revealed significant vertical variations in temperature gradient and heat-flux density along the borehole. Overall, the rate of temperature increase rose from 11° to 24°/km down to a depth of nearly 7 km, and then started to decline. Geologists recognize that the rate of temperature increase must drop off sharply at a certain depth as otherwise the mantle would be molten below about 100 km (even at the enormous pressures assumed to exist there), whereas seismic evidence indicates that it is solid.


It seems geological theories, including plate tectonic, are far from conclusive.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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The Russian researchers were also surprised at how quickly the temperatures rose as the borehole deepened, which is the factor that ultimately halted the project’s progress. Despite the scientists’ efforts to combat the heat by refrigerating the drilling mud before pumping it down, at twelve kilometers the drill began to approach its maximum heat tolerance. At that depth researchers had estimated that they would encounter rocks at 100°C (212°F), but the actual temperature was about 180°C (356°F)– much higher than anticipated. At that level of heat and pressure, the rocks began to act more like a plastic than a solid, and the hole had a tendency to flow closed whenever the drill bit was pulled out for replacement. Forward progress became impossible without some technological breakthroughs and major renovations of the equipment on hand, so drilling stopped on the SG-3 branch. If the hole had reached the initial goal of 15,000 meters, temperatures would have reached a projected 300°C (572°F).


The Kola Borehole

It is now over 40,000 feet deep, (7.6 miles) making it the deepest hole on earth (the previous record holder was the Bertha Rogers well in Oklahoma--a gas well stopped at 32,000 feet when it struck molten sulfur).

The world's deepest maned mines are in South Africa, the deepest reaching almost 12,400 feet below the surface. Carletonville, South Africa is also 1,513 meters (nearly a mile, or over 5,000 feet) above sea level. Google terrain map will verify that altitude.

At 3.5 km (just under 11,500 feet) the pressure of rocks above you is 9,500 tones per meter squared, or about 920 times normal atmospheric pressure. When rock is removed through mining this pressure triples in the surrounding rock. This effect coupled with the cooling of the rock causes a phenomenon known as rock bursts, which accounts for many of the 250 deaths in South African mines every year.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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Do you know that the earth is comprised of over 75 percent water? H20 = Hydrogen and Oxygen.


Thats the surface area, not the entire body. The earth's crust is but 0.0027% of the way down to the center of the planet.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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Thanks for sharing mate. Here is some more info and fuel to the "Hollow-Earth" subject. It´s a fascinating Theory. After all the "Hollow-Earth" is the best conspiracy ever.


Taken from this Source

The Ultimate "Did You Know That ... Never Mind"

Here is a list of the wide range of evidence which we will now present to the un- believing outer earth visitors who want to know why they have never heard about the Hollow Earth before, and feel that they have been somewhat left out.

Concepts

* All planets are spheres, not only the Earth: the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter, the Sun itself

* Standard planetary formation theories: how were they formed, what made them spin, and still does: completely woowoo

* A massive planetary body with an incandescent and progressively cooling core would crack into pieces while cooling and shrinking

* Gaseous planetary bodies like the sun and the large planets of our solar system can not generate a magnetic field; but they all have one

* All the solar system's outer planets emit more energy than they receive from the sun

* A spinning planetary body in formation has zero gravity in its center, so mass does accumulate where gravitational and centrifugal forces are balanced within the area of the spinning matter, and that form would be a sphere with openings at the top and bottom, like a hurricane of matter in space - not as a solid body with a solid center (the center has zero gravity)

* If planets were formed from cosmic dust which started to condense into a body like Earth, then the angular momentum would still continue to increase, which it doesn't - the earth's spin is steady, not slowing down or speeding up

* Larger planets with more mass should spin more slowly than smaller planets with less mass - but they don't: the largest, Jupiter, spins a lot faster (once every 10 hours) than Mercury, which is just a tiny fraction the size of Jupiter and needs 58 Earth days for one spin around its axis

General Observations

* Both Earth and Moon ring hollow for hours after struck with meteorites, as measured by seismic stations on Earth and on the Moon

* Earthquakes do not occur deeper than 450 miles, but down there, the supposedly molten magma would not create and release friction via earthquakes - a viscous or molten mass equalizes tension, it does not accumulate tension because it is flexible

* Gravity experiments in mine shafts show that the balls pointing to the center of gravity point away from the center of the Earth, instead of towards it, as measured by the distance at the top and bottom of two lead balls hanging from very long wires into a mine shaft

* ... Odd ..." would inspector Clouseau say



Observations at the Earth's poles: welcome to Mr. Woo's pole anomalies

* The temperature, as one gets past a certain latitude, increases as one approaches the poles, which is not supposed to happen; arctic (and in less cases, antarctic) explorers have reported in their ship's logs to have taken off their climate gear (this was before Goretex)

* Floating flora and fauna near the northern polar region's ocean: seeds, flowers and trees are found at latitudes where none should be, and they are often very fresh, not decomposed from many months of floating in the ocean currents that might have brought them from far away

* Spiders, bees, mosquitos, moths and flies were found once past the cold and icy region below the north pole; northern Greenland is the mosquito capital of the world

* Many bird species in the northern hemisphere migrate north - before winter; birds in the southern hemisphere migrate south in their winter, too - if the poles are the coldest regions, it makes no sense, but flocks of millions of birds like the auk have been observed doing this, and they must have a very good reason

* Presence of seal, auk, goose, seagull, duck, rabbit, wolf, fox, bear and other large animals at extreme northern latitudes (the exploration of Antarctica is much more scarce compared to Arctic explorers)

* The origin of icebergs: around the north pole, they are made of frozen sweetwater - not frozen saltwater. There is little if any precipitation of rain or snow (sweetwater) in the polar regions. Saltwater freezes to sea ice at low enough temperatures. There is no supply of sweetwater to explain the existence of icebergs which are hundreds of feet high, up to hundreds of miles long and dozens of miles wide

* Icebergs around the north pole are colored by red pollen of an unknown plant, as well as dust - a lot of it; including earth material on top of them

* Massive wave-like or tidal movements in the arctic polar region have been witnessed by many explorers, waves which cracked and moved the ice floes around the explorer's ships in a very, very major way that had their hair stand on end

* Floating and deposited driftwood (including exotic species) is extremely abundant and sometimes stacked 15 feet/5m high along the coasts in the polar region of Spitzbergen and Greenland, up to 86 degrees latitude north

* Mammoth, elephant, woolly rhinoceros, hippopotamus, lion and hyena have been found in the ice from the north pole that is also deposited on the coasts of Siberia; entire forests of mammoth ivory have been found there

* The stomach content of (un)frozen mammoth has been found to contain tropical (undigested) plants that do not occur anywhere in the northen polar region; supposedly, the last time the mammoths were clomping around was during the last Ice Age (not the Pixar animation films 1, 2 or 3), but many were found with their (un)frozen meat good enough to give it to the sled dogs in Siberia for dinner (or late lunch) [Note from the editor: If these mammoths came out of Inner Earth via the huge freshwater rivers that flow outwards and freeze as they pass the northern polar opening, then the theory of a massive crustal shift of the Earth which supposedly transported mammoths who had been peacefully chomping on tropical plants way up north, in two days, causing them to insta-freeze as a result of a polar reversal, has one argument less; see Charles Hapgood, Maurice Cotterell, Patrick Geryl, Clif High and others]


Peace
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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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I guess my point was that there is a lot of Hydrogen on this planet. Sorry if I didn't get the figures spot on.

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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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The Earth's 'spin' is slowing, slowly over the millenniums. When the dinosaurs roamed the Earth the days were a mere 18 hours or so long. The moon is also receding away from Earth a few centimeters a year, we can measure that with lasers reflected off of the mirrors placed on the Moon during the Apollo missions. The sun is also drawing all of the planets closer each and every planetary orbit. We can measure these things with our observed scientific data.

When people tell me that our physics are based on 'theory', I tell them 'the bomb' works!



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 09:18 AM
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Most earth scientists believe that, as well as having a high density, the earth's core, unlike the mantle, must be metallic in order to generate the geomagnetic field. According to the dynamo theory, fluid motion in the earth's outer core moves conducting material (liquid iron) across an already existing, weak magnetic field and generates an electric current. The electric current, in turn, produces a magnetic field that also interacts with the fluid motion to create a secondary magnetic field. Together, the two fields are stronger than the original and lie essentially along the earth's rotation axis.



Even assuming that an outer core of liquid iron exists, there are major problems with the dynamo theory. Joseph Cater writes:

Scientists are somewhat vague as to how a magnetic field could extend 2,000 miles beyond an electric current. It requires a very powerful current to produce even relatively weak magnetic effects a very short distance above the flow. The electrical resistance of iron, at the alleged temperatures of the core, would be staggering. A steady flow of electricity requires constant potential differences. How are such potential differences produced and maintained in this hypothetical core?
The magnitude, width, and depth of such currents would have to be unbelievable to extend the magnetic field even a small fraction of the distance required, and the EMF [electromotive force] required to produce it would be even more incredible. Where could such an EMF come from? So far, scientists seem reluctant to explain this, especially since these currents are confined to a ball and would therefore follow closed paths.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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This thought may be a bit off topic, but, I have always been amazed that the more we explore celestial and sub atomic or quantum physics the more we discover the similarities of both as the same, and the part that puzzles me the most is the endless, constant, perpetual motion, described by our comprehension of what is, to be orbiting particles. Is it a coincidence that what we believe to be the only thing that can stop this perpetual motion is 'Absolute Zero'?

Also very odd that if the temperature of the dawn of time was so hot that light could not exist. We can take these extremes and compress them into a tangible scale of some sort and say that is where all we know exists. And that is all we think we know, we think. We think the space between actual tangible particles, mass as you would have it, is mostly space between moving particles. The closer we look to find the most elemental particle, the more that is composed of smaller things, in motion. The more we back up to look at a group of particles in motion the more they look the same. Those stars out there we believe to be astronomically far away from each other. The orbiting electron of the hydrogen atom is compared to be as small and as far away from the nucleus as Neptune orbiting the sun in comparison.

So I wonder why everything doesn't taste like chicken.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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Have to admit, I don't really think the Earth is hollow, but I do think that possibly there could be large cave systems. Very fascinating post S&F.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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It is always sad when I come to a great thread after it has gone multiple pages, but I will post this reply in hopes you see it. Very few people it would seem are aware of Dr. John Uri Lloyd(en.wikipedia.org...). Now as a botanical medicine researcher, Dr. Lloyd is pretty much the Lord God of modern botanical medical research, writing and contributing countless volumes like King's Dispensatory (en.wikipedia.org...). What most people do not know is that this incredibly enlightened man was very well versed in philosophy and mysticism, in fact I would say (and the purpose of this reply) he wrote a book named Etidorpha, referred to as a story within a story(en.wikipedia.org...).

Etidorpha encompasses a number of conspiratorial ideas through its pages, secrets of the Masonry, Occult axioms etc...all of which take place on the main characters journey through the earth into its center! Seriously consider reading this book, it is mind blowing from a number of angles, and I believe it will shape many peoples opinions on Hollow Earth Theory if they would only read the book.

Great thread



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Ok, I amgoing to read the rest of this thread, so I'll make another post soon, but in response to previous posts:


Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
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You can easily get Hydrogen from water. It's called electrolysis using a Hydrogen generator. With negative and positive leads from dc current, two pieces of metal and salt you can separate it right in your kitchen. That is why they haven't brought out Hydrogen engines because you could refill them on your own. How do you know something like this isn't probable in nature?


Whether or not it is possible in nature, doesn't mean it occurs in nature. Unless you have proof of it happening it doesn't really mean much. Also, most Hydrogen isn't Deuterium or Tritium, which you would need for Fusion to work efficiently.
If you want it to burn you need the Oxygen to be up there too. Also, this would be vaguely possible but for Thermodynamics, which dictates that you can't get more energy out than you put in. While you could separate Water into H2 and O2 from sunlight, that only works if it's original enegy came from fusion, otherwise it won't work, because 2(H2) + O2 -> 2(H2O) takes the same energy either way. To create a constant cycle of both directions of that, you need an external energy input, one that cannot physically be there.


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And does any of that, anywhere imply that a Hollow planet exists in Nature? So we don't know everything about gravity (for instance some of those could imply that G is changing), but that does not mean that a hollow world would work.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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The fact is, hollow earth is a reality. Science has proved the earth has a molten liquid core and past civilisations artificially created volcanoes as a way to drain the magma. For some time now the core has been largely hollow and TPTB have been constructing habitable cities in the knowledge of events in the near future that have been predicted for thousands of years.

Inexplicable increases in carbon monoxide and periods of global warming throughout history have been a result of this draining of the core which began when the first volcanos were constructed by an ancient advanced civilisation.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowfoot
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It is always sad when I come to a great thread after it has gone multiple pages, but I will post this reply in hopes you see it. Very few people it would seem are aware of Dr. John Uri Lloyd(en.wikipedia.org...). Now as a botanical medicine researcher, Dr. Lloyd is pretty much the Lord God of modern botanical medical research, writing and contributing countless volumes like King's Dispensatory (en.wikipedia.org...). What most people do not know is that this incredibly enlightened man was very well versed in philosophy and mysticism, in fact I would say (and the purpose of this reply) he wrote a book named Etidorpha, referred to as a story within a story(en.wikipedia.org...).

Etidorpha encompasses a number of conspiratorial ideas through its pages, secrets of the Masonry, Occult axioms etc...all of which take place on the main characters journey through the earth into its center! Seriously consider reading this book, it is mind blowing from a number of angles, and I believe it will shape many peoples opinions on Hollow Earth Theory if they would only read the book.

Great thread


Thank you for sharing with me. I am pleased that this thread is still on topic and that there are so many others actually contributing towards the theory...I thought I was going to be a punching bag. Etidorpha sounds like an amazing book that I will read.


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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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It seems strange to me that if Earth's magnetosphere worked like a dynamo why would a CME have an effect on what is happening so far under the surface.



The pattern given off almost appears designed.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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I wish everyone would open their eyes to see!



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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This being said, grab a cup of coffee or a glass of wine


How about a Four Loko?

On what you say about ancient cultures and thier myths....



Are these concepts meant to be taken literally?


Hell no. Ancient cultures would use myths, legends, and exagerations in order to make sense of stuff that they cold not scientifically observe.

As for the swirl on the pole of mars. WIKI scroll down to the part about the atmosphere and effects water vapor has them (the 'Water' headline under Concentration).

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As carbon dioxide sublimates back into the atmosphere during the martian summer, it leaves traces of water. Seasonal winds sweep off the poles at speeds approaching 400 kilometres per hour (250 mph) and transport large amounts of dust and water vapor giving rise to Earth-like frost and large cirrus clouds.


I think the winds seem to be causing the swirling pattern.

Lava tube on moon....

I found THIS talking about that specifically. Quote below.



Lava tubes, underground cave-like channels through which lava once flowed, are commonly found on Earth. Because lava tubes are sheltered from the harsh environment on the moon's surface, such tubes could one day be useful for lunar bases.


The lack of environment could have a lot to do with the fact that it is so large.



So we have a few examples of questionable photos. None these offer proof but allow for us to see that idea of polar openings is not asinine. So let's look at this theory.


A few examples of questionable photos?

What you present is a few images of 'holes' or that which looks like holes and present that as evidence of polar openings. That is a huge jump.The cyclones on the pole of Venus and the striped makeup of Jupiter are not even 'questionable' at all.

You assume too much in your introduction alone.

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This is a great post and also a great compilation of information and video highlights. While it is true that neither side of the fence cab absolutely prove or disprove the subject at this point I would suggest that the side of the hollow earthers don't deal in absolutes because the physics involved are a little sketchy and fringe at best.


Agreed. Neither side can prove or disprove anything. Just one side can provide physical evidence and the other provides.... youtube videos, and sketchy photos of misunderstood objects.
As intriguing as it would be to have an inner earth, it has very little scientific support and most evidence supports the contrary.

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I have no proof for or against the hollow earth theory, but I wanted to mention that one video that is really insane looking with the backwards hurricane sucking in fire or whatever.
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The video you seak of looks exacly like sped up satelite imary. The satelite, if in geostationary position (either in a Tundra orbit or a Molniya orbit) would shoot a video of a seemingly spinning pole (with aurora borealis in this particular video) with spinning clouds etc. You speed this up and BAM.... you got a 'hole in the north pole spewing magic or whatever'.




I hate to seem like a hater, but the history of the Hollow Earth Theory itself is suspect. It comes from a time when science was in its relative infantcy. Edmund Halley proposed this idea back in the 17th century. He was a great atronomer, but he also proposed that the Aurara Borealis was escaping luminescant gas from the inner layers. THIS IS FALSE. His original theory is nothing but a footnote compared to what else he has done. Every theory has been closer to psuedoscience than science. I am not saying its not possible, but when people are willing to ignore empirical evidence in order to try and prove a theory based on bad image interpretations and out of date conjecture, it cannot be called science without the psuedo- before it.


SOUTH POLE. WHERE HOLE?
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posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by maranatha8000
I wish everyone would open their eyes to see!


OK. I'll bite. See what. Did we miss something?



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Hell no. Ancient cultures would use myths, legends, and exagerations in order to make sense of stuff that they cold not scientifically observe.


And some of those myths, legends, and exaggerations have turned out to be true. How about Troy? How about Monogenesis? How about the field of geomythology? Yeah, some of those old stories might just have some truth in them after all.




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