The system is broken and can't be fixed. Really?

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posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 11:47 AM
I keep hearing that people are disaffected with the situation of the political system in the States. Some complain, some are apathetic. Others consider leaving. To this last I have said that this is the least patriotic thing I can consider. If you have a problem with the system, change it. IT CAN BE DONE!!! The big 2 parties have been doing it for years. New found power in STATES can result in gains on the national level. Take the redrawing of congressional districts:

A big year for a party at the national level affects races further down on the ballot; the Democrats picked up many state legislative seats in their own mid-term blowout in 2006. But this year’s Republican sweep, which by some estimates gained the GOP as many as 700 state-level seats, came at the best possible time. That’s because in 2011, U.S. states will redraw congressional districts based on census information. And state legislatures, along with governors, usually have a big say in how those maps are drawn.

Naturally, they try to draw up districts that maximize their parties’ chances of winning. That’s why conservative Texas sent an inordinate number of Democratic congressmen to Washington until Republicans took over the state legislature in 2002 (and pushed through a controversial redistricting scheme that indirectly led to a jail sentence for its mastermind, representative Tom DeLay). Ed Kilgore, a writer for the website The Democratic Strategist, pointed out that the Grand Old Party won more House seats in 2010 than its share of the popular vote would imply, and that was because of Republican-friendly maps that were drawn up by legislatures in states like Texas and Florida. “The advantage they obtained during the last round of redistricting endured to the end,” he said.

This is legal if done properly and both Rep's and Dem's do it. "What's that to me", one may ask if they are displeased with both of these parties? It shows that change can be had on a national level by the actions on a state or smaller level. Are you a Libertarian or Ind.? Start on a municipal or state level. Baby steps. There are SO many disaffected people that all that is wanting for change to happen to the system is some cohesiveness and a spark. It won't happen over night but it can happen. I'm saying stop complaining, start caring again and do something to fix the problems.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 11:50 AM
The only way the system can change is if the current system is destroyed, and building a new system will take a long time. Do the math.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 11:52 AM

Originally posted by mr10k
The only way the system can change is if the current system is destroyed, and building a new system will take a long time. Do the math.

OK. So are you upping to help bring change about then?

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 11:59 AM

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by mr10k
The only way the system can change is if the current system is destroyed, and building a new system will take a long time. Do the math.

OK. So are you upping to help bring change about then?

Sure. But can we change the current system, whithout striking fear into the populus? The population has become so in-tune with our system, it's like a love/hate relationship. We hate it at times, but try to defend it when other's try to help. It is one of the main reasons that we cannot bring down the current system without causing anarchy.
At least, to a certain extent.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:26 PM
# the system. In the future all of this # is gonna be extinct. Don't vote.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:43 PM
reply to post by Metallica4U

The fact of the matter is for real change to happen civil, disobedience is the only way. Everything you PHYSICALLY DO with THEIR interests in mind, lends power to the gov't and corporations. Not until people sit at home and do nothing will things change. When you vote, you have empowered them. When you file paperwork and do your job, you empower them. The easiest way to make change is to do things that empower you, not 10hrs a day of empowering THEM.

I hate seeing people talking about revolutions and guns. The fact of the matter is revolution and guns under this system will only serve to tighten the pretty noose around your necks. By non compliance peacefully the change will just happen naturally.

People have all the power, the power was stripped away as soon as the idea of trust no one set in. How many of your neighbours do you associate with right now? How many times have you seen people recording criminal acts on a phone but not doing a thing to assist.

A generation of me-centric corporate comsumer cowards is what we have here. Every single last one of us on this site IS TO BLAME. WE DID THIS TO US by empowering THEM.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 04:51 PM
Here are the things to do with a vote…
1. Vote for Demo-Rep
2. Don’t vote (better than voting for dictatorship)
3. Vote for a minor party = Utilised 100% as Demo-Rep looks at you, and thinks “holy …. Someone turned out to vote for a minor party, hay the pressure is on us to copy that minor party and behave like this country is a democracy”

Sadly there is always a chance the voter-rig machine will delete your efforts, but this applies to all 3 options. If you vote for a minor party at you do your duty.
Vote for the big two and you do your bit to ensure your children will some day, live in a full blown, dictatorship.

So the only peaceful way of reform is to use social media, to discourage others voting for this “virtual dictatorship” called DemoRep.

Many people are scarred of doing that because (being so MSM de-informed about democracy) they believe their vote will be somehow “wasted” if they don’t vote for the big two (as only the big two ever win) (which is true!).
However your vote is probably more “wasted” if it becomes the 100th thousandth to join the Demo-Rep victory Surplus. Even with vote rigging, any hard copy means voting for minors, scares “The Two Big Brothers”.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 05:15 PM
The law of entropy states:

All reactions in a closed system tend towards entropy.

Earth is considered to be an open system, but the artificial systems of government tend to be closed systems. The two party system mentioned by the O.P. is an example of a closed system. As long as the two party system as able to keep its stranglehold on national and state politics, the tendency towards entropy will continue. For all intents and purposes, entropy equals chaos. Aggregation of power demands closed systems, and all closed systems tend towards entropy.

Lord Acton was on to something when he stated that; "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", and the Founding Fathers were on to something when they endeavored to establish a government where power was spread amongst the people evenly.

Fixing closed systems is pointless. The key is to maintain open systems.

posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 07:30 PM
My specialty over the last 15 years or so has been managerial or supervisory, the system is never so broken it cannot be fixed.

The problem is, working within the system to fix the system is almost impossible.

Look at the problem as a whole, what is broken?

There is no responsibility inherent in the system. No one is held responsible for their choices and no one EVER takes responsibility. Studies, committees, this, that, the other thing.

Tell me, when the price of gas went to over $4 per gallon, we were told the problem was that there are not enough refineries or supply to keep the prices down and it would take 10 years to implement new refineries or oil exploration.

BULL, that is true when you take into account the steps and bullcrap you have to deal with government bureaucracy. When dealing with inspectors in the construction field, they do not even have knowledgable inspectors, they think what they believe to be the codes or their version of it, is the correct way to do things. It is a bunch of malarkey.

Basic thing is, that contractors and builders take the responsibility of creating or building something, if they do something wrong, they are held liable. But with government, they have all these different steps, not for safety, but to cover themselves from responsibility.

The system has to be whittled down to it's bare bones. It has to reinstitute responsibility to every position. No more fair this or fair that, it is time for the best of the best to be allowed to do what they do. And those in government that are not willing to stick their neck out and make decisions, time for them to be FIRED.

And I am not talking individuals, I am talking entire agencies need to be eliminated. And problems that occur, those individuals, companies, government officials, have to be held responsible where they were meant to be held responsible, in a COURT OF LAW. Either civil or criminal.

All these agencies and bureaucracies were only created to protect the interests of the corporations, banks and government officials, PERIOD.

How many times have we heard about a company, bank or whatever only being fined for something? How bout someone being jailed?

Just a small observation on my dealings with government officials.

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