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The Jet Stream Really IS Acting Freaky!

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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From Mail Online


How a freak diversion of the jet stream is paralysing the globe with freezing conditions



The freezing conditions that have blasted Britain are being blamed on a series of weather patterns that are bringing Arctic temperatures to much of western Europe, California and even Australia.
One of the main factors is a change in the position of the jet stream - the fast-moving current of air that moves from west to east, high in the atmosphere


So, for all those who have been blaming the way-out weather on the jet stream acting crazy, you're right!

Even the weather specialists are having a hard time explaining exactly what is happening:



A Met Office spokesman: ‘The problem is we are not getting the warmer Atlantic air that normally keeps our winters mild.’We can see that it is unseasonably warm over Canada and Greenland, this is where warm air has been diverted.’He said that any change in the pressure over the Atlantic would need to last for several days before we would notice any change in the weather in Europe.
Freezing-cold winters and milder winters tend to cluster in groups, as the jet stream changes its path. Experts are still unsure why this is but suspect it may be related to the EL Nino weather system as well as changes in sea temperatures and solar activity.


So, what do our local weather experts think? Will it be long before the jet-stream corrects itself, or is the weather gonna' stay bizarre?





edit on 12/22/10 by jennybee35 because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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This may be related to weather oscillations or the feedback loop I have heard of. The weather enters a an oscillating loop that swings further and further to extremes.

With the sun gearing up for Solar Maximum, I think we are in for quite an interesting chapter in human history.

Will be interesting to see our reactions. I understand some in the British Gov are advocating for a more robust plan to accomodate the changes of the extremity of the weather.

I think we should all plan for more, and be ready for more wind damage from storms to enter the news, as insurance claims start to REALLY stack up.

Thats when we will get change, when it starts hurting the bottom line of an industry.

Maybe too late.

Like Mr. Hawking recommends, exit stage left. Make for Orions belt.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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Alex Jones had a guest on a wile agao that said Janet Napolitano had told a friend "go home get 6 months of food, do this today I cant tell you why just do it". is that just Alex being Alex or does it have something to do with a new little iceage.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:21 PM
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It seems to me a case of history repeating itself.

Back in the 16th to the 19th centuries Europe experienced a similar event after a period of warm climate.

At the same time conditions in Australia were wet and/or unusually cool - exactly as they are now!

Source:
en.wikipedia.org...

Too much of a coincidence?



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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No thats incorrect

The reason for the cold weather is La Nina, which affects the jetstream. Ive said it already dozens of times here....I do actually monitor the weather for a living. They have a relation, but the main cause is La Nina

You must remember, while the east coast of Australia has been suffering colder and wetter weather than normal, the entire west coast where I live and work has just gone through our driest year on record and late winter, spring and the start of summer, have been a lot hotter than normal.

I really wish I could explain more to you guys, but everytme I say something I get accused of covering up for weather modification or nobody believs me.

I guess when we found out earlier this year that La Nina was becoming more prevalent (thanks to the climate section at work), I shouldve expected this from ATS



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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I dont believe anybody remembers an event that happened in may...an oil spill. And, if i may i posted something of this matter:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:51 PM
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It states that "During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. There is a still very poor understanding of the correlation between low sunspot activity and cooling temperatures"

Does solar activity also have an impact on the jetstream, and could the two perhaps be combining to make it worse than usual.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by jennybee35
 


No thats incorrect

The reason for the cold weather is La Nina, which affects the jetstream. Ive said it already dozens of times here....I do actually monitor the weather for a living. They have a relation, but the main cause is La Nina

You must remember, while the east coast of Australia has been suffering colder and wetter weather than normal, the entire west coast where I live and work has just gone through our driest year on record and late winter, spring and the start of summer, have been a lot hotter than normal.

I really wish I could explain more to you guys, but everytme I say something I get accused of covering up for weather modification or nobody believs me.

I guess when we found out earlier this year that La Nina was becoming more prevalent (thanks to the climate section at work), I shouldve expected this from ATS


With all due respect, I don't really know why you feel that it's your personal mission to debunk every thread that mentions the Jet Stream and/or the Thermo Haline Circulation system. We are all quite aware of your credentials so there is little doubt that what you're saying holds a certain amount of merit.

That being said, there is a distinct possibility that these anomalies are at least in part caused by La Nina, however....your statements would be met with much less distain if you could provide supporting evidence. Perhaps statistics from previous years that prove what you're saying is based on fact and not just "weatherman" theory.

Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that there are other factors besides La Nina that could be having an effect on our global weather system??



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:22 PM
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This is not an attack, just me posting out of ignorance. Why has this not been a common occurance.. Doesn't La Niña happen pretty regularly..like every few years?



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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Oz I respect your professional opinion on these matters but I have to disagree with you on this one.

Simply putting it all on La Nina is ignoring the fact that the exact same thing happened this time last year when we were experiencing a relatively strong El Nino.

Meanwhile the common denominator here appears to be the Arctic Oscillation phase - which is highly negative, i.e. just like it was last year.

As the article in the OP points out high Arctic pressures seem to be pushing the Jet Stream south, and this makes perfect sense considering high pressures come from high temperatures, and the Arctic has been experiencing extreme warming this year, a result of which is that ice re-growth has been particularly slow, leading to more warming up North and so on. In fact this entire situation was predicted by climate scientists in mid-October based on this very principle.

From the Science Daily link:


There is also evidence that the effect of higher air temperatures in the Arctic atmosphere in fall is contributing to changes in the atmospheric circulation in both the Arctic and northern mid-latitudes. Winter 2009-2010 showed a link between mid-latitude extreme cold and snowy weather events and changes in the wind patterns of the Arctic, related to a phase of the Arctic Oscillation.


La Nina is likely to be contributing of course, which explains why it appears to be even worse this year than last, but I think the Arctic Oscillation is definitely the ringleader here.

edit on 22-12-2010 by mc_squared because: and he would've gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for these meddling kids!



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:00 PM
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Still think of GoM. s&f

I do hope I am wrong.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
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Still think of GoM. s&f

I do hope I am wrong.


I 100% agree...check out my thread on this subject HERE



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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Hey, Oz! Thanks for stopping in. I don't think you're debunking, just putting all the facts out there. In fact, in the MailOnline article, they do mention El Nina (I notice they put El Nino. Which is it?) as a contributing factor:


Experts are still unsure why this is but suspect it may be related to the EL Nino weather system


So they don't make it the foremost issue, but do include it. Don't feel bad, everybody needs somebody to pick on, especially, it seems, on ATS!!

edit on 12/22/10 by jennybee35 because: correct name



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:59 PM
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Yeah, I always take that into consideration. I'm not sure just how long it will take to see the full effects of that disaster on our world environment.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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I don't have any evidence of anything, but I know on August 31 I had a dream that was a clear directive to 'get firewood.'

I wrote this:
This time it was about firewood. Make sure there's firewood ready to go for the winter.
See, I know it sounds crazy, but I don't think I have dreams like that for no reason. Gas is going to go high this winter, or it's going to be a bad winter, or the heaters are going to mess up - or something. lol

And now my DH who loves to listen to weathermen is like , WTH, the weatherman said it was going to be a warm mild winter.

We are in GA, and it has been cold here. Tonight I opened up the front door and the wind was so crazy that it slammed the storm door against the house - it's been like that a couple of weeks now. I'm rubbing it in - I keep telling my husband - I told you so!
We have a ton of firewood b/c I started gathering it back in August. We are in GA and usually we are still in the 70s now so he thought I was completely bonkers.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Hi Oz,

Here in N. America they are calling this thing an "atmospheric river" and the "experts" are saying that they have never seen anything like it, and they don't have enough data points to do a thorough forecast. One Weather Channel anchor said the only thing they know for certain is that, "the computer models are completely wrong."

Now, that sounds pretty far out, scary, and interesting. They "have never seen anything like it." They "don't have enough data points to do a thorough forecast." The computer models are "completely wrong."

The are calling for a snowy Christmas in Atlanta, GA. It will be the first snowy Christmas since 1865!! The "Atmospheric River" phenomenon was likely responsible for a flood across the SouthEastern United States that year that was of "Biblical Proportions" and resulted in rain for 45 straight days in Southern California. Southern California typically does not have 45 cloudy days in an entire year.

So Oz, I respect your opinion, please tell us what the hell is going on! Should I get ready for a mini ice age similar to the 1700's? If you read my posts back from back in April and May this year, I was hypothesizing that we were following that pattern of weather, and that the oil spill might be the final nail that slowed the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Current enough to throw us into this chapter.

What do you think?



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:34 AM
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In Georgia, they are STILL saying we're going to have a mild winter.
www.wsbtv.com...

(Blaming it on that La Nina)
It's almost funny. Man, it's been cold! I can remember previous years having tomatoes this late, and playing outside in sunny weather on Christmas day.
edit on 23-12-2010 by hadriana because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Yeah, we had an 80 degree day yesterday here, stayed outside all day. It's 35 degrees here rite now, and only gonna be 50 tomorrow! We have already had about 4 hard freezes, and we usually never get that kind of cold until January!

I'm like you: I really miss having a nice fall and all the usual nice weather. This year we have gone from fire to freezing every few days.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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Yes, you do go on about La Nina and no we are not ignoring you. El Nino and La Nina have been with us for years, but to me, this time the effect is more "wacky" to use a not so professional term
than it has ever been. We've not just switched to cooler and damper conditions but to extremely mixed up conditions that go beyond any ordinary La Nina cycle.

There is something more going on than a simple La Nina cooling of the Pacific. It is as if the weather pattern has been put into an agitator and given a good shake with no where getting anything even vaguely close to "normal".



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 08:02 AM
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Here in Portugal . it is very strange weather at the moment.

normally we have warm wet winters, and it is normal to be in t-shirts and shorts...during the day but then cold at night.

however we are having ice and snow and temps of -6....even the diesel is freezing in all the cars as they don't add additives to there fuel here as it has never been needed.
last year we had snow for the first time in 170 years.

snoopyuk



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