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Pope's child porn 'normal' claim sparks outrage among victims

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posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:50 AM
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WHA?, WH?

There must be some more claims about to be brought to the surface again.

So why do need religeon again, can any Pagans bring me up to speed ?-?

If religeon was a business, it would have been shut down ages ago, No Wait, it is a Business so why are they still in Business.




posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by DimensionalDetective
 


WHA?, WH?

There must be some more claims about to be brought to the surface again.

So why do need religeon again, can any Pagans bring me up to speed ?-?

If religeon was a business, it would have been shut down ages ago, No Wait, it is a Business so why are they still in Business.


Hi there,

You may wish to read through the thread and wonder why the only news of this is a from a sectarian newspaper in Northern Ireland using a sensationalised title that completely ignores the context of the speech, cherry picks a couple of sentences yet ignores how they fit in with the overall content. Links in this thread give the speech in its entirety, if you still hold the same view after fully reading, then that is your prerogotive, but I think it is misplaced.

BTW, why ask pagans for a view when your comments seem to be against religion as a whole? Paganism is a religion, a polytheistic one - why do you ask them for advice if you are against religion? Just interested, that's all.
edit on 24-12-2010 by something wicked because: edited to make comprehensible



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Wow, did anyone bother reading the article?

He's condemning it, by saying the world has become more accepting of it and they, the Church, can no longer be silent while the world continues to get worse.

I'm not remotely Catholic and I can understand what he's talking about.



I was wondering the exact same thing. It still amazes me how people can judge so harshly over but a few words. The OP included two sentences of the original article. How can anyone form a reasonable opinion over this!? Keep in mind that journalists make a living from spinning stories to create hyped controversy.

I understand what the Pope is trying to say. It's not that pedophilia is becoming more of a "normal" occurrence within society, as it is observed as being much more frequent and widespread, particularly via the use of the World Wide Web.. Millions of people are desensitised to such things at every moment. While the outrage that follows is no less diminished, the news 'washes' over people. It has to. If we were to take every traumatic thing that happened in the world to heart, we would be one mass mess.

Additionally, the issue of child abuse, I believe, entirely depends on one's culture. I think that many people overlook this or completely underrate it, assuming that their cultural customs are universal, which is simply not the case.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by EricD

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone

1 The whore of Babylon is the vatican. The vatican is obscenely rich - do you see the vatican saving dying people?
2 The so-called pope is crap - and all the other popes are crap.
3 The cardinals in the vatican are hugely rich.
4 The vatican is totally corrupt.
5 To all catholic believers - please, get out of the vatican.


1) How rich is the Vatican and yes, btw, I do see the Vatican saving dying people. Would you like a few links to Catholic hospitals and hospices?

2) Something to back that up please?

3) Really? How rich are they?

4) Something to back that up please?

5) This I can agree with, well for the most part. The Vatican is not large enough to hold all the Catholic believers. If they were all cramped in there it would be horrible. C'mon people, elbow room is important.

Eric


replying in a constructive way is an art i guess?

Really.. this is ATS, you know how to get on this site so i guess you know how to use a webbrowser.

Does EVERY claim need to be backed up by complete reference lists and the likes?

Yes, the Vatican is obscenely rich and so are the cardinals, and no, im not gonna provide sources other than this one
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edit on 24/12/10 by Romekje because: original link got censored and didnt work lol



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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We aren't basing our opinion on two sentences.

Believe it or not, this priest child rape scandal has been around for a while...sorry if you haven't heard about it...but it's pretty firm ground to state that The Pope could aid law enforcement, but instead has done everything he can to protect the molesters.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by crazydaisy
The way I took it was that people (especially in the 1970's) became complacent regarding pedophiles and looked at it as normal. I think this could be true, a lot of people just don't seem to care about what happens to others (especially children) so they view it as normal so they don't have to feel any responsbility for what happens. He wasn't saying this was the right way to be.

When I was a child, child abuse was not frowned upon - people did not report children being abused and they looked at it as normal and believed there was nothing they could do about it. Thank goodness that changed - too late for me I'm afraid. Was using this as an example as to how people react in order to not deal with issues.


What poppycock.
When you were a child a fifty-year old could have run around raping 5 year olds and that would not have been frowned on? He'd have been thought normal and not reported?
Precisely when were you a child?

If you want to lie for the church, you'll need more convincing lies than this one.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Actually it wasn't as taboo as it is today. While I cant say if it was considered normal, it certainly wasn't looked upon with such anger and hatred for those committing such acts.

I remember back in high school(which wasn't that long ago for me), in an English class we had to write an essay on social issues. One of the topics we discussed was child porn and pedophilia. Interestingly enough, we learnt that as I said it wasn't as taboo as it is today, and that there were even magazines catering to such things with teenagers(under 18) posing in the nude.

Of course I don't agree with such things. I don't think a child, even someone aged 14-16, is mature enough mentally to engage in a sexual relationship with an adult, or understand the pros and cons of posing nude for photos for a magazine. I cant remember if the magazines were legal and sold in shops like regular porn magazines, or if they were sold more discreetly.

But I also think that current laws, which can see children/teens charged for producing child pornography if they take a photo or video of them selves and send it to a girlfriend/boyfriend, are ridiculous and over the top bordering on nanny state syndrome.
Are we going to make it illegal for kids of the opposite sex to interact in any way next?

Anyway, I think the Catholic church has a lot more skeletons in it's closets around the world. Think, all those people who have come forward. Now imagine how many more in the developing world for example, who haven't come forward because they have no means to do so or be heard.
And by skeletons I also refer to WW2 and other things unrelated to this thread.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Just some more thoughts...

Many members are accusing the pope of being a liar because he claims child porn is becoming more "normal" - but you have to understand he's speaking from a "global" point of view - in some societies I'm positive child prostitution (including pornography) is rampant - think of the cliche pedo taking planes to 3rd-world-countries to engage in child prostitution and (snap snap) take pictures to share with other pedo insiders.

Just because the MSM doesn't expose the rampant child porn underbelly of the world doesn't mean it is nonexistent.

Keep that in mind before making baseless accusations.

And honestly, I'm not too concerned child pornography will become "normal" any time soon - the general population of most countries consider it deplorable, and would never stand to see something so pervy become the norm. For that to happen, billions of parents would have to be conditioned to suppress their parental instincts to keep their children safe from harm and abuse, and that is simply not going to happen.

I'm out..



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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People like the pope will continue to exist as long as religion itself exists, with radical believes comes radical people, and radical actions like child molestation.

Nothing has killed more people than religion, you all are to blame for people like the pope because you are enablers. If you engage in the "god war" like 90% of the world, you will continue to support people like that.

If the pope isnt your religion, theres a person equally as messed up as him leading your religion.

a sad story, but a true one.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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No matter how much I resent organized religion this thread is ridicolous, it is misquoting and smearing without a hint of truth to it.

Just one facist religion pulling the leg of another facist religion.

The Pope


He's condemning it, by saying the world has become more accepting of it and they, the Church, can no longer be silent while the world continues to get worse.


I think the vatican PR guys would have prevented the pope to say something like the OP is claiming even if it was what he wanted to say. You can say what you want about the vatican, but they are not idiots.



posted on Dec, 25 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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We hear about more and more of these people in high places getting caught abusing.

Bill Surkis, 71, previously served as director of B'nai Brith in Quebec and director of the Montreal Holocaust Memorial Centre. Got caught with 21 porno video's of prepubescent girls.

www.ynetnews.com...

Remains to be seen if his highly acclaimed accomplishment of keeping the Holocaust candle lit will keep him off the sexual offender list.

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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 01:14 PM
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The idea that in ME/Indian child brides are not being screwed by their husbands is a "gentleman's promise." Once the girls live in their "husband" (perverts) home, she belongs to him and is allowed to do anything he wants.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached “an unimaginable dimension” which brought “humiliation” on the Church.

Read more: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...
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How many people are reading the article before rabbling about the pope being a pedo?



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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I think this thread is evidence that people on ATS are not all intelligent..

The pope picked his words very carefully, so as to not produce the wrong statement, and in turn people still think he's endorsing pedophilia while infact it is quite the opposite.

And ATS members in general jumped aboard the pre-thought conclusion they were sold by the OP.

Good job, ATS.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:17 AM
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Wait until the rest gets out on wikileaks about the pope on this subject. I read about that in wired magazine when Bradley was spilling the beans in the interview. Bradley said there is some really sensitive stuff in the cables about the pope on this subject, and it’s not good either. I think the pope is letting some information out of the bag now to the public, only because the pope knows what’s coming soon from the wikileaks cables. I’ve been waiting seen see if the pope or wikileaks would state something , looks like is true.

I was thinking this kind of information would be in that insurance file discussed on the net. Then again it could be in a standard cable release




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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 02:38 AM
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Do some research before insulting people on ATS. Yes, He did pick his words with caution. Bradley mentioned the popes cables in a conversation with Wired magazine months and months ago about how the Pope and this subject are in the cables and not in good way yet defends the accused. Now Wikileaks is out with the cables. So now you have the pope discussing this subject. hmmm.



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