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Originally posted by natgar
See, i am a muslim, and i will give perspective from a muslim's (me at least) point of view.
Science is merely a tool to understand and achieve things.
Sometimes, what God told us is beyond our understanding. But it does provide a theory
for which we can use science to measure it.
For example, why must human slaughter cattle? (Slaughter = Cut the lower part of its neck)
Why not shot them in the head?
Why no stab its heart?
It'll also die if we use this way, aint it?
Well the reason why is because slaughtering is SCIENTIFICALLY proven as the least painful way to kill animals.
So science is not a religion, but it do serves as an important tool to understand religion.
And I believe, in the grand scheme of things, it fits nicely there.
Originally posted by sinohptik
Ok, ill try one more time. I see this situation progressing on a daily basis.
My guess as to what is happening is that people are reading the title, already have their concept of what this is about, and just post (or dont even read it at all). It seems to be a prevalent problem amongst ATS, and just communication in general. I didnt want a wall of text of just me talking, so i wasnt entirely thorough. Hoping others would bring up some points for discussion.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by sinohptik
I believe the key aspect here are the masses...
In religions of old you went to the same person for help with cold symptoms or child birth as you did with wishes of marrying someone, or other existential issues.
Regardless of what these treatments are based on, be it wisdom, previous anecdotal experiences, superstition or scientific experimentation, there has always been a sense of trust in the practitioners on the part of the subjects.
This trust, this blind faith of sorts in either priests, doctors, or scientists, creates a mental and emotional dependency and otherwise complacence on the part of the masses. It's the "they" phenomena... "they will know what to do", "im sure they are looking at that" , "i better do what they say or FEAR!!", etc...
Now this response in the masses creates an equal response in the priesthood, one of a fuller sense of their capabilities, in many cases to the point of arrogance, hubris, rigidity, and thus blindness.
This happens to priests, doctors, scientists, and other occupations of prominence like this.
In the end, its the authoritative nature of the role they play and the acquiescence of that authority by the masses which creates this witches brew.
I like your analogy to the teenage years of science, as they are experimenting with drugs(pharma), and being found to corrupt data in many different scenarios as of late, so they are in that age where they can't be trusted :-)
To the religious folks out there, this is the mystical and initiatic reason Christ stripped naked and washed the feet of his disciples... Saying "I'm just like you..." thus passing the sense of authority on to his students.
I don't know of any ritual in academia which may be like this? Not that the church does anymore either... That's one sacrament that is withheld.
And this is the crux, ones attitude toward humility within a practice in which they hold so much authority and how they view "the masses"