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Finger fossil linked to unknown human

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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30,000-YEAR-old fossil finger bone found in a Siberian cave belonged to a previously unknown strain of human, scientists said today.

The surprising discovery came after researchers analysed unusually well-preserved DNA from the bone.

The findings, reported today in the journal Nature, confirmed that the specimen came from a young girl who was neither "modern human" nor Neanderthal.

Instead she belonged to a separate, now extinct, branch of the human family tree scientists have named Denisovians, after Denisova Cave in southern Siberia where the fossil was found.


Read more: www.news.com.au...




posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:14 PM
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Our human ancesters are named "Homo-Erectus" By scientists,
Good find OP new stuff is allways interesting



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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Do you have a problem with this find? Jesus tap dancing!
This is history! Give me a break!



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by megabyte
 


Our human ancesters are named "Homo-Erectus" By scientists,
Good find OP new stuff is allways interesting


It's true! And we cannot repeal 'Don't-ask-don't tell' ? According to scientists, we ALL came from Homos !


edit on 22-12-2010 by MavRck because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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"This month Evolution teaches us that everything we learned
last month is wrong.

"Tune in next month for more surprises!"

amazing the mountains of conjecture, based on molehills of evidence, passed to us with such certitude.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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oh yeah. i totally get this. they find a single bone from a finger, and this is extrapolated to say that it is a new form of human.

I am surprised that they didn't try to draw what it looked like based on that finger.

And we call this "science".



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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You really are an obvious troll arnt you
Then again the part about a tap dancing jesus did make me chuckle



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by ObviousTroll
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That is one of the most mornic comments I have ever read.
You're a stupid person!


I am not sure whether nor to to be flattered... tee-hee, what is a "mornic" comment ?


*cough* Heard of sarcasm? Light hearted-humor? A play on words?



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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And according to the bible we all originated from Mass Incest

Theres just no winning these days...



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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Can we assume that alien-human hybreds were not exactly an easy combo to create? Maybe the genes were cockeyed or maybe it was an intelligence or emotional problem. Maybe they were too darned obstinate and as one rose up and said, "We do not want to build gigantic pyramids to honor you guys!"
(Thus, a quick end to that trial experiment!)


Nothing is as simple as it seems--and that goes double for complexity.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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Evolutionist are a funny kind,

Unknown yes as who's finger was it, different kind of man, no.

Man is man we are all able to interbreed that makes us the same kind there are no different kinds of people only variations.

Read Jack Cuozzo's Buried alive for creationist view on why ancient people looked different.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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The research suggests genetic material derived from Denisovians makes up around 4 per cent to 6 per cent of the genetic code of at least some Melanesians.


My contention gathers more supporting information all the time.

Ancient humans migrating following the herds to different areas have visible distinctions because they interbred variously with other antessor descendents, which were isolated and Cro-Magnon groups finding and interbreeding with those isolated groups took on their environment driven survival traits.

We aren't just "pure" homo sapiens. Modern humans are a hodge-podge.

Cultural and genetic appropriation is often politically linked to oppression. It is GENETICALLY DRIVEN. It is our legacy, that groups survive in the new environment better when they integrate the locals fast.


Let me provide a personal example - I am very light-skinned of European descent. But I live on the Plains of Canada, where there is more sun every year than anywhere else. I am not well adapted to this environment. People like me are more prone to skin cancers. Because my ancestors didn't live in a super sunny environment. (and the maternal line going way back into Asia - well there is some interesting stuff coming out about "oriental" type Asians having a preference to going outside in the late evening, and being evening and night hunters)

I have pretty much been attracted invariably to men who have North American Native ancestry. Such as my husband, who certainly shows through some of the traits. My children, even the lightest skinned, do not burn as easily as I do. They have picked up an adaptation trait carried by my husband - whose ancestors are even less varied into the cold/cloudy regions of Europe.

My children benefit from local admixture. It will not be 10,000 or more years of local adaptation for my descendents to develop adaptation to this environment. They are likely to interbreed with other people, who may also carry this advantageous local admixture.

Just trying to show how this works, and why tribes/groups/families migrating around and were more likely to be open to interbreeding have an advantage over those who do/did not.
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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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DNA tests where run on the finds. It isn't "just" a funny bone. It is a funny bone, with a mass of data inside it.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by megabyte
 



The research suggests genetic material derived from Denisovians makes up around 4 per cent to 6 per cent of the genetic code of at least some Melanesians.
Just trying to show how this works, and why tribes/groups/families migrating around and were more likely to be open to interbreeding have an advantage over those who do/did not.
edit on 2010/12/22 by Aeons because: (no reason given)



Oh and to add that little frisson of conspiracy to this.

You'll notice that almost all of the Royal/Elite families males of this generation have taken on middle class wives.

Success can be defined many ways.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by TedHodgson
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And according to the bible we all originated from Mass Incest

Theres just no winning these days...


i was wondering about that mass incest lol

thanks for pointing it out



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
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DNA tests where run on the finds. It isn't "just" a funny bone. It is a funny bone, with a mass of data inside it.


they found a tooth too

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A molar tooth recovered from the cave is also believed to be from a Denisovian individual.

It looks different from the teeth of modern humans and Neanderthals, and more closely resembles those of much older human ancestors such as Homo erectus.


Read more: www.news.com.au...



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by works4dhs
"This month Evolution teaches us that everything we learned
last month is wrong.

"Tune in next month for more surprises!"

amazing the mountains of conjecture, based on molehills of evidence, passed to us with such certitude.


The Earth is actually one huge "crime scene" to science. Things happened in the past -- long before anyone could record them. We stumble on the evidence and start putting things together based on what we find -- but the evidence isn't everywhere. And like crime scenes, we don't have criminals running around and pointing to things saying "I did this here! Look here for bodies!"

So science changes every year. It changes every month. It changes every day -- because science is about exploring. It's not like arithmetic where 1 + 1 always equals 2.

In this case, there's DNA matched to other ancient people (a known separate group) and then matched again to living descendants.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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I am surprised that they didn't try to draw what it looked like based on that finger.


Don't be surprised when they do! A skull would be best.However It would not be that difficult using the DNA data as well as clues from Melanesians to deduce a look that even the extinct Denisovians may recognize.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by Aliensun
Can we assume that alien-human hybreds were not exactly an easy combo to create?


This is a human, not a hybrid. It's an older genetic type of human but it's still human.


Maybe the genes were cockeyed or maybe it was an intelligence or emotional problem. Maybe they were too darned obstinate and as one rose up and said, "We do not want to build gigantic pyramids to honor you guys!"
(Thus, a quick end to that trial experiment!)


This was 30,000 years before pyramids anywhere. The bones of these people show that they were not "domesticated" (there's certain changes in bone structure and so forth when humans and animals become "civilized/domesticated") -- so this group of people (spread over a large area, living in small tribe-lets) was not enslaved/domesticated by anyone.

It is one of the ancestral strains of humans in the South Pacific area.




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