WAR, what is it good for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Funny how now that the Democrats/Socialists/Progressives/Communists are in power, War is good.

War is good!

War and Nation Building is the implement of the fascist. All fascists want control, they want control even if it means control of chaos. Chaos is the symptomatic response to strife. Tell me, do you think the founders would have wanted some entity like the US to come in and tell them how to create or how to deal with the KING?

Life is a response to stimuli. Everything is responsive. If you are pricked, do you not bleed? If you attempt to control, are you not thwarted?

Government and government parameters have ALWAYS been about control and taxation to implement their endeavors, problem is, what are their endeavors? World domination? Control?

Why give one party or person trust when they are NOT going to be the one in control all the time?

Use your brain, instead of listening to the rhetoric.

Forgot to add the obligatory music vid-

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
War and Nation Building is the implement of the fascist

I think you mean "imperialist".
Also, war can be good if you're being invaded or perhaps stopping a genocidal mad man.

With the growing population in the US and elbow room at a premium
it seems the time is ripe for a little expansion...

after all we now have a US intelligent org operating in Mexico under the auspices of NORCOM...
than plan is for the US to make Mexico its southern security perimeter... then work on the plan to do away with the three nations that make up north america and create a North American Union...

Normally it would sound pretty far fetched even to me... problem is their really doing it right now...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
War and Nation Building is the implement of the fascist

I think you mean "imperialist".

Also, war can be good if you're being invaded or perhaps stopping a genocidal mad man.

"WHEN" has that happened in the last 60 years?

War, is a necessary evil when it comes to defense.

There was a time to implement retaliation, then there is a time to let the countries of the world live by their decisions.

Everyone hates the cops, just saying.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower

"WHEN" has that happened in the last 60 years?

It really hasn't and all wars over the last 60 years appear to have been trade wars. And arguably many before that were likely the same. I agree with you that the recent wars are probably "good for nothing".

Problems solved by war:

1. Slavery in the United States

2. Nazism.and Adolf Hitler

3. Imperial Japanese Empire

4. Pol Pott

5. Saddam Hussein

6. Dozens upon dozens of Al Qaeda nut-jobs who were obliterated by righteous use of JDAMS

etc.

These were just "some" of the things war accomplished in very recent history from an American standpoint. War has and always will be the greatest engine of change and progress for mankind.

The benefits of war are so huge because the cost of war is so great. It is only in times of great trouble and hardship does humanity stand up to its best ability and accomplish great feat of knowledge, courage and generosity.

I weep for the generation that no longer has to face the prospect of war, for that will be the generation that is truly dead and gone.

reply to post by DaddyBare


The Mexican deal has been laid out for 60 years, we allow free flow of their people, we use them as a buffer.

Not doing so well lately for those on the southern border area though. The US government control and implentation of the drug trade usually has something to do with that.

Gotta have the prison complex up and running don't you know.

Nice to bring this subject up, and i agree with you - war is absolutely no good.

Which brings me to the question i am discussing since some weeks in real life.
Hope you do not consider it derailing your thread.

How could we stop war and prevent future wars worldwide ???

Its stated above:
"War, is a necessary evil when it comes to defense."

I do agree that self-defense is (for me) the ONLY reason to use physical violence.
If another person/country attacks me/my country, i/my country should have the right to defend myself/my country.
So I say Defense is necessary, but not war. (the attacker is the one that started the "war")

So basically the solution to world peace would be:
Every country signs a "non attack pact", declaring never ever ever to attack another nation.
Self defense is allowed, but only within the boarders of the own country.

One step further would be "neutrality": not attacking other countries, not supplying weapons to other countries, no help in other means than humanitarian help to countries who are in war.

And boom; world peace is here. Your thoughts ?

reply to post by IAF101


War is a tool, it is to be used in extreme times.

You do not pull war out when it is not necessary. Retaliation is a better tool in my opinion.

Nation building is foolhardy at best, symptomatic of problems prevalent in current conditions also in my opinion.

reply to post by svetlana84


EXACTLY.

When an outside force infiltrates or foments strife to create a revolt, this only furthers the extreme of dictators or control freaks.

It is up to the individual or the nation to create their own life. If one is forced or coerced to implement something, blow back is a symptom that will ultimately prevail.

One can lead a horse to water, but one cannot force it to drink. Old parable.

to iaf101:

you write:
Problems solved by war:

2. Nazism.and Adolf Hitler
5. Saddam Hussein

Good point, and we in europe are glad that allies saved our ass. But think what was the real problem ?
Adolf Hitler ? - Part of. The real Problem was they started a WAR

Hussein ? Part of. The real Problem; he started a WAR (BTW backed by the US back in the Iran/Iraq war days)

See where i want to go ?

OP: i was so distracted by the rattlesnake in your avatar, i did not read the text - it s all written there.
Do not harm and do not infringe on another's right.

If everybody does it - World peace tomorrow.

reply to post by svetlana84


Yep, it all boils down to ONE LAW.

It is as natural as gravity. If one follows the true law of nature, everything is peace.

I shall answer your song with another...

War! (good god) what is it good for.....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...

except...

Money money money mooooooney........MONEY!!

reply to post by Akragon

Money!

The problem with society is that government has taken upon itself to further an agenda.

With that agenda comes problems. When you require a society to continue itself through taxation and control, you further the fascism that prevails. When you purchase something, you supposedly own it, CORRECT? But if society creates a system where you are forced to continually pay a tax or another form of control, does this NOT create an enslavement society?

As for the song you reference, ABBA is pretty cool-

1. Slavery in the United States

700,000 dead Americans for something that ended peacefully in every other country on the planet due to technological innovation making slavery obsolete.

2. Nazism.and Adolf Hitler

Needlessly rose to power because of the sanctions imposed on Germany post WWI - Hitler never would have come to power without the destruction and sanctions imposed on Germany by other nations. Any time a country is economically isolated by sanctions, they have little choice but to use violence to acquire more resources since they can't access resources through trade.

3. Imperial Japanese Empire

Needlessly provoked into an attack by US trade sanctions.
www.independent.org...

The entire war with Japan could have been avoided.

4. Pol Pott

War was not necessary to deal with Pol Pott, just as it wasn't necessary to deal with Stalin. Communism always implodes on itself since economic central planning always results in a completely destroyed economy. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its bureaucracies and so too would Pol Pott's regime.

The US is about to implode itself for these very same reasons. The market will end the State.

5. Saddam Hussein

Totally worthless war. Now an even more corrupt group of oligarchs is running the State. Iran's influence has grown, not diminished. Iraqi poverty has increased, not decreased. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have needlessly died because of our invasion. While Saddam was a jerk, it was the people of Iraq's responsibility to deal with him if they didn't like him as a leader, not ours.

The US invasion of Iraq has increased the misery of the Iraqi people exponentially.

6. Dozens upon dozens of Al Qaeda nut-jobs who were obliterated by righteous use of JDAMS

Several million dollars per missile to kill some goat herders in the mountain regions of a god forsaken wasteland.

Good job government.

You take war as all bad. The reverse is to say peace at any price. I doubt that you need examples. Neither is fully defined in human interrelations because they (war/peace) are circumstancial. So it becomes a philosophical dilemma-argument, worthy of discussion and gaining insight into what should be the best courses for national and international relations.

One of my biggest gripes about ATS is tabloid-style of headlines that some OPs tend to use to grab attention by misrepresenting their topic which may have little value anyway.

Why not do a thread on "Over-Blown Headlines: What are they good for? Absolutely Nothing!"

Originally posted by Aliensun
You take war as all bad. The reverse is to say peace at any price. I doubt that you need examples. Neither is fully defined in human interrelations because they (war/peace) are circumstancial. So it becomes a philosophical dilemma-argument, worthy of discussion and gaining insight into what should be the best courses for national and international relations.

One of my biggest gripes about ATS is tabloid-style of headlines that some OPs tend to use to grab attention by misrepresenting their topic which may have little value anyway.

Why not do a thread on "Over-Blown Headlines: What are they good for? Absolutely Nothing!"

War is mass murder.

All problems that have supposedly been "solved" by war could have been resolved without bloodshed to the benefit of all parties involved.

War is the ultimate chaos of the nation State.

War is only possible because nation States exist.

War is only possible when violent taxation is imposed on the people by a government.

Continued global war is only possible through conscription of the public, which is mass slavery.

Mass murder and genocide is only possible through State control of the media. Mass murder and genocide requires public cooperation with the State to achieve its goals. Because the State is always responsible for mass murder and genocide, mass murder and genocide can not exist without violent taxation.

reply to post by mnemeth1


I compared our government to Hugo Chavez in an article elsewhere.

Wonder if I broke any "color of law" statutes?

Funny how the "state" thinks it is their duty to protect us from ourselves.

Tell you what state, protect the Idiocracy and leave me alone!



By the way mnemeth, I have the sites up finally! A little rough, but looking fairly decent-
www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc...
www.davidjkramer.co.cc...

I need another host, it is taking forever to load my pages, even though I have optimized them for loading.