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the Dark Face of Darwinism

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posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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thanks for the info... I am quite new so I will try to remember that for the future... the link is there so it is not plagiarism.




posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by iterationzero
So believing one's self to be God is atheism?


I am not sure, you may want to ask one of our resident self-proclaimed Atheists for better knowledge about this topic. You may also look for actions defining these self-proclaimed Atheists views about others.

again that is not the question of debate and possibly you or I could make a whole new topic about that question...



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I guess Racist would better describe his views, penned in Mein Kampf and inspired by his radical racial predecessor, Darwin.


Again you you ignore Questions 1 and 3 and make a direct attack against one Charles Darwin and link him to Hitler. Please, demonstrate for us how there is any conceivable way to prove that Charles Darwin was a 'radical racial predecessor' to Hitler.



Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.


These questions are on the same page as the post I am replying to, I don't think it is possible for you to have missed them. Questions 2, 4, and 5 are quoted below, I'd like answers to them as well.


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

edit on 27/12/10 by madnessinmysoul because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by racasan
And second – atheists love science and intellect and all that, but the biggest names in science at that time where Jewish


bzzt! ...wrong answer

I believe Germany was the leader of the technological world back in the day, imagine galloping up to the field of battle on your horse, never seeing a tank before... alot of people thought Germany had technology so advanced that it came from Aliens !

going all the way back to WW1 mind you.


edit on 12/27/2010 by Cosmic.Artifact because: (no reason given)


Sorry in what way is it wrong?

Are you saying atheists don’t like science or that Einstein wasn’t a Jew or that Einstein wasn’t one of the leading scientists of that time?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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Considering oneself to be a deity would be best described as a form of self-monotheism. Atheism is no deity. If you believe yourself to be a deity, then it would automatically imply that you believe in at least one deity, therefore you would be a self-monotheist.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by racasan
And I mean come on Judaism – it’s a religion, atheist by very definition don’t give a flying duck about religion – so what the payoff?


and crusading in the name of Darwinism ?



And in what way did Hitler do that?

Remember Hitler didn’t do what he did on his own, Germany at that time was a very religious country, mainly Catholic and Lutheran, bother factions where know for their hatred of the Jews

In fact the Catholic Church only changed it stated views about the Jews in the 1960’s



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by iterationzero
So believing one's self to be God is atheism?


I am not sure, you may want to ask one of our resident self-proclaimed Atheists for better knowledge about this topic. You may also look for actions defining these self-proclaimed Atheists views about others.

Why would we need to ask an atheist for clarification on that?


Atheism, in general, the critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or spiritual beings. As such, it is usually distinguished from theism, which affirms the reality of the divine and often seeks to demonstrate its existence. Atheism is also distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question whether there is a god or not, professing to find the questions unanswered or unanswerable.
Encyclopædia Britannica


So, by definition, believing one's self to be God would be antithetical to atheism. Why are you qualifying their atheism with "self-professed"? Are you suggesting that they're not really atheists somehow?


again that is not the question of debate and possibly you or I could make a whole new topic about that question...

You don't get to raise a point yourself, in this case that megalomania is the same thing as atheism, and then call the response to that point off-topic. No matter how politely you try to do so.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


Considering oneself to be a deity would be best described as a form of self-monotheism. Atheism is no deity. If you believe yourself to be a deity, then it would automatically imply that you believe in at least one deity, therefore you would be a self-monotheist.


I believe Atheism is deity worship,

the (self) being Deity...



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


Considering oneself to be a deity would be best described as a form of self-monotheism. Atheism is no deity. If you believe yourself to be a deity, then it would automatically imply that you believe in at least one deity, therefore you would be a self-monotheist.


I believe Atheism is deity worship,

the (self) being Deity...




That would require BELIEF...atheism by its very definition is the ABSENCE of a belief in a deity. I'm an atheist, but I'm worshipping myself no more than the tree down the street or the squirrel stealing my birds' food right now.

Many of us value logic/rationality...which makes it impossible for us to believe in something that isn't backed up by evidence...and that includes god(s).



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I believe Atheism is deity worship,

the (self) being Deity...


Well, believe all you what, of course you're wrong and have just as little evidence to support this claim as you do against any of your claims against evolution, Darwin, atheists, or anything else for that matter.

Now, will you please try to answer at least one of my 6 questions?

Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

Question 6: How is evolution a racial ideology?



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I believe Atheism is deity worship,

the (self) being Deity...

And you've already shown, in your own words, that you have a skewed and bigoted view of atheism:


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
... and I personally do not like Atheists just as much as they dislike 'mainly' Christianity (that which built this nation and provided us the freedom of speech we are allowed to express here) Do most of you seriously believe half of the conversations that have taken place here on ATS would be allowed to be hosted in China or any Arabic counrty ? let alone even Britain with their Hate speech laws ? Atheism is the scourge which is attacking freedom of thought and expression, everything that I and my country stand for.

Yes I dislike Atheists as I am allowed to express, I am sorry it goes against others grain but I feel these kids need to be brought up to speed... The majority of these said self-proclaimed Atheists happen to be British and Canadian, I have been on the internet long enough to have figured this out. Mostly this is because of the Church state Britain has experienced in their past living under the popes rule and for Canadians it is just plain jealousy besides them being mostly of French decent.

I am a Caucasian male disgusted... and at any rate I am doing my part... We will be taking over from here...

Ironically, this behavior on your part is similar to that which you accuse atheists of.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Seed76
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There is no such thing as "Darwinism" except in the minds of religious fanatics.


Which one you prefer Darwinism or Social Darwinism ?

Peace


In fact I prefer 'social Darwinism' but the all encompassing 'Darwinism' does no leave any part of history out of the picture.

there are clear and evident facts revolving around this particular science based in psychology, somehing very hard to swallow in Evolutionary Science as we have seen.



posted on Dec, 27 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

Question 6: How is evolution a racial ideology?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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I repeat; genetic slaughter is the inevitable result of Darwinism. subspecies compete; the winner lives, the loser dies.


No, it's the inevitable result of biology, it has nothing to do with Darwin himself. It happens whether or not we acknowledge it. It's just a fact of the universe. It's not something that is based upon Darwin himself but on the facts of nature.

Of course, there aren't multiple subspecies of human. We're all homo sapiens sapiens.

Darwinistic evolution teaches genetic branching. start with a genetically homogenous population and start variations. the variations eventually compete. some variations are beneficial (longer-necked giraffe, faster cheetah) and they pass their genes along. the Nazis believed the Jewish variant to be inferior and dangerous and consciously decided to eliminate.
perhaps instead of 'liquidating the Jewish race' one should say 'liquidate the Jewish variant'.
the concept of genetic variance began with Darwin, and is a key element in Evolution theory.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
*Adolf Hitler's religious views have been a matter of dispute, in part because of apparently inconsistent statements made by Hitler, and those attributed to him. The relationship between Nazism and religion was complex.
en.wikipedia.org...

I guess by definition (from a Christians point of view) he could be considered Godless, besides nobody wants to have anything to do with him, possibly including any God. specially the one I know of.

there are many websites dealing with this... besides I do not think the topic was about this at all.

Hiler was godless because he was his own God... sound familiar ?

*Führer, also spelled Fuehrer, German Führer, Adolf Hitler. title used by Adolf Hitler to define his role of absolute authority

Self Proclaimed God "absolute authority" www.merriam-webster.com...

there is only 1 absolute authority that I know of...

I guess Racist would better describe his views, penned in Mein Kampf and inspired by his radical racial predecessor, Darwin.

...not in our schools thank you very much


Oh, Cosmic, didn't your mummy teach you that telling lies makes baby Jesus cry?


Your Mirriam Webster link indicates Führer means leader, when used as a title, and can mean tyrant, when used as a perjorative. It does not say anywhere that Führer means "Self Proclaimed God" or "absolute authority".

And it's been proved over and over again that Darwin is not racist, yet you keep progagating this lie too.

Not nice behaviour for a Christian, but expected behaviour from a "Christian".

You must know you are not fooling the one who knows the difference, so I guess these lies and the insults you hurl at atheists in your off-topic posts here are still just your bitter revenge for having been picked on at school by an atheist. Or believing you were . . .

I guess that can't have been very long ago.




edit on 28/12/10 by Kailassa because: I just had to add some more ars.



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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Instead of just stating more of my own questions I will just restate madnessinmysoul's questions
since I feel they are all relevant I would also like to see at least one of them answered. That way maybe this thread could move out of its stalemate and we could all move to another level of discussion. Given that this thread
has been limited to the very narrow confines of the op it is now up to the op to address the numerous counter points that have been raised or risk looking like they can not defend their statements that they have made. Which so far seems to be the case.

from the keyboard of MadnessInMySoul



Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

Question 6: How is evolution a racial ideology?





posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I guess Racist would better describe his views, penned in Mein Kampf and inspired by his radical racial predecessor, Darwin.

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Hitler was definitely a Christian, and Darwin was in no way his "radical predecessor." Darwin was a naturalist who opened up science to an entirely new way of viewing the natural world.

You can watch this for a hilarious presentation of Hitler quotes to see that he was definitely a Christian, and it even sources the quotes.
www.youtube.com...
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posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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That list is outdated. Now it's at 12 questions.

Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

Question 6: How is evolution a racist ideology?

Question 7: How is atheism in opposition to humanity?

Question 8: Where is your evidence that all atheist are white Caucasian Anglophones?

Question 9: How is "I do not accept your proposed idea" a belief?

Question 10: Where is your evidence that atheism is "the most abominable ignorance which hides in the darkness"?

Question 11: How is atheism "deceptive"?

Question 12: In what way could "Evolution" be considered a sign of ignorance?



posted on Dec, 28 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
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Considering oneself to be a deity would be best described as a form of self-monotheism. Atheism is no deity. If you believe yourself to be a deity, then it would automatically imply that you believe in at least one deity, therefore you would be a self-monotheist.


I believe Atheism is deity worship,

the (self) being Deity...




That would require BELIEF...atheism by its very definition is the ABSENCE of a belief in a deity. I'm an atheist, but I'm worshipping myself no more than the tree down the street or the squirrel stealing my birds' food right now.

Many of us value logic/rationality...which makes it impossible for us to believe in something that isn't backed up by evidence...and that includes god(s).



it really is a belief as the afterlife is, whether any of us like it, a choice in whether we accept it, you can choose to believe in a spiritual realm or not, either way, you are merely indulging in a belief that there is only the phsyical realm.


I'm no preacher, but give me a supreme power any day, as, otherwise, we are just intelligent animals with no right or wrong other than for social control- ie, an animal wants to have sex with an "attractive" female, it just attacks, we could, if we take this more intelligent animal line, do likewise with nothing "intrinsically" wrong other than it is not codusive to a stable society.

Cue outrage from atheists of "how dare you say I cannot have morals etc"- you can have morals, but they don't amount to anything more "significant" than chemical processes of your brain
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