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the Dark Face of Darwinism

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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
 


the question was not if (I) understand it or not...

the question (was) if the (children) see it that way ?


Museums tend to have little plaques next to exhibits and 'effigy's' (sic) that refer individuals to what is being depicted and explained by them. Unfortunately, the stock photo you provided is framed in such a way that any plaque or explanation would be cut out.



thanks again for trying to twist my comment, the exit to the stage is at left !


I'm not trying to twist your comment, and thanks again for ignoring the fact that I've still got more than a few questioned unanswered that pertain directly to the title of this thread. A new one has arisen: How would a child's misinterpretation of that exhibit lead them to be a new Hitler?




posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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yet again... Glossolalia to the Children !

you have missed the point so completely that I am trying to make...

I guess it comes with the territory ?


edit on 12/26/2010 by Cosmic.Artifact because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
yes flies are attracted to...

... your posts, apparently.


would you attempt to address my one simple question on the last page ? referring to...

Yes, even though other posters have replied to it and you've avoided their replies as well. Here, I'll even tag it properly so no one can accuse me of plagiarism. Not that you'd know anything about that. Wink wink.


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
here let me try to change the course, yet once again without discussing Creation and Christians

According to the (subtitle) in Darwin's Origin of Species,

"Preservation of favored Races"

I would love to address, as also I would not like to have this strict doctrine of racism imprinted on any more of the worlds youth via the classroom at too early an age.

I believe when you corrupt a young a mind with this sort of doctrine and without proper guidance that it could lead to many problems later in life (as pointed out via sociobiology) I guess this is a word not many scientist are familiar with ?

I believe some get the wrong idea of its educational value mainly because of our differences "racially" at this point in the development of humanity (in other words we are not in Star Trek time period yet) so humanity has the potential to walk away with darwin's theory and cause major injustice... as has been proven by history (see videos/page 1 and Mein Komfh) and also in sociobiology.

It is understood, by those who have actually read Darwin (as opposed to those who can't even get the title of his books right when they're trying to use them as evidence), that he uses the word "races" to denote "varieties" and not the more modern connotation involving what we would today consider to be different races of human. If you had actually read "On the Origin of Species", you'd be aware that he refers to "the several races, for instance, of the cabbage" and "the hereditary varieties or races of our domestic animals and plants". Darwin makes it quite clear in "The Descent of Man" that he rejects the notion that there's any difference between humans of different "races" other than superficial ones. But by all means, please, keep saying this over and over again. It provides clear evidence that you're either being willfully ignorant or a troll.

You could literally insert any doctrine into your statement regarding the corruption of young minds and have it be correct. But you don't care about that. You have a very specific bone to pick with the theory of evolution and the "atheists" that are proponents of it. This is exposed by an earlier post you made:


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
we do... and I personally do not like Atheists just as much as they dislike 'mainly' Christianity (that which built this nation and provided us the freedom of speech we are allowed to express here) Do most of you seriously believe half of the conversations that have taken place here on ATS would be allowed to be hosted in China or any Arabic counrty ? let alone even Britain with their Hate speech laws ? Atheism is the scourge which is attacking freedom of thought and expression, everything that I and my country stand for.

Yes I dislike Atheists as I am allowed to express, I am sorry it goes against others grain but I feel these kids need to be brought up to speed... The majority of these said self-proclaimed Atheists happen to be British and Canadian, I have been on the internet long enough to have figured this out. Mostly this is because of the Church state Britain has experienced in their past living under the popes rule and for Canadians it is just plain jealousy besides them being mostly of French decent.

You are nothing more than a bigoted old man who cares nothing for facts, only pushing your own agenda. I believe, based on discussions like this one, that every argument against the theory of evolution, whether it's to try to debunk it scientifically or suggest that it's somehow sociologically harmful, really boils down to moral outrage against atheism, which is a totally unrelated topic. So you can try to dress it up however you want, you're raging against atheists which ultimately has nothing to do with evolution. So, really, every post in every thread you've made on the topic is automatically off topic.


Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
I am a Caucasian male disgusted... and at any rate I am doing my part... We will be taking over from here...

Sounds suspiciously racist and totalitarian.

And it's "Mein Kampf". When you can't even get the little facts right, how is anyone supposed to take your interpretations of those facts seriously?


I admire your avoidance...

I've replied to every point you've made to me. You, on the other had, have yet to reply to any of mine with a direct response. Hypocrisy? From you?. Shocker!


you are more than welcome to bust it down line for line in a string of one-liner responses !

You mean like you did when replying to Smedley? More hypocrisy from you is hardly surprising.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
 


yet again... Glossolalia to the Children !


What does the religious practice speaking in tongues have to do with anything?



you have missed the point so completely that I am trying to make...


Take a hint from me, try explaining points when you think others have missed them.



I guess it comes with the territory ?


Implied insult, yay. Since I seem to be missing your point, would you care to illustrate the point you are making more clearly?

Now, could you please answer the following questions? I'll attempt to be as polite as possible about it.

Where is the evidence of Darwin's racism?
Where is the evidence of Darwin's influence on Hitler?
Where is the evidence of the negative impact of Darwin's ideas on society?
Where is the evidence that shows that it would be improper for children to learn about this fact based scientific theory that you claimed to accept?



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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The link does work!

And it is not religious! It is the picture normally associated with evoultion, where we have the ape, then the homo erectus, then homo sapiens!



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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hi cosmic artefact

do you know the film you linked to is by Harun Yahya?

This is the same Harun Yahya of the phony fishing lure fame
Try here for some background on that:
www.museumofhoaxes.com...

here’s Dawkins talking about him:
www.youtube.com...

and he was sent to prison for his sins:
ncse.com...


so I guess we can say for sure, holding opposing views to Darwin actually turns people into dishonest rascals



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


The link does work!

And it is not religious! It is the picture normally associated with evoultion, where we have the ape, then the homo erectus, then homo sapiens!


sorry man I am getting a 404 error !

if it is a pic post it to your profile or if a link you may type it out if you would like me to see/comment.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by racasan
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hi cosmic artefact

do you know the film you linked to is by Harun Yahya?

This is the same Harun Yahya of the phony fishing lure fame
Try here for some background on that:
www.museumofhoaxes.com...

here’s Dawkins talking about him:
www.youtube.com...

and he was sent to prison for his sins:
ncse.com...


so I guess we can say for sure, holding opposing views to Darwin actually turns people into dishonest rascals


the videos are for a reference, I have no idea they guy was even Muslim !

he is not the topic, the Dark Face of Darwin is, as there are many videos made of this exact same topic.
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posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Ok, so, on topic:

Where is the evidence that there is a "Dark Face of Darwinism"?
Where is the evidence in Darwin's own writings that he supported any insidious ideology?



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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expert posters of burying topics, it still does not negate the fact that users may start reading from page 1 or the last several pages even.

Kids do no understand evolution completely, but they are more symbol minded...

meanwhile my topic gets bumped to the top and is racking up post count



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


Ok, so, on topic:

Where is the evidence that there is a "Dark Face of Darwinism"?
Where is the evidence in Darwin's own writings that he supported any insidious ideology?


it is all around and in comments made by me and some others in this very discussion.

if we could not just perceive opposing points of view, instead of only one...



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Kids do no understand evolution completely, but they are more symbol minded...


hm.. so a symbol of brutally tortured man nailed to a cross is all right, but a symbol of a pair of humanoid figures in love, or all life on Earth being one big family is not?



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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So, what you're suggesting is that we should lie to children. Just because they might not fully grasp the concept doesn't mean that we should outright lie to them. Not a single scientific study has ever disproved evolution. Therefore, these are the facts and are taught as such. There is no dark side to evolution. It is a scientific theory with no consciousness or volition. The dark side comes from people perverting the theory. In fact they are not usually using Darwin's work, but Galton's who originally proposed the concept of eugenics.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


Ok, so, on topic:

Where is the evidence that there is a "Dark Face of Darwinism"?
Where is the evidence in Darwin's own writings that he supported any insidious ideology?


it is all around and in comments made by me and some others in this very discussion.


No, it isn't. However, the number of times I've asked for evidence in this thread is of course found throughout this thread, as are requests from others. Your own argument from the text of Darwin was shown to be incorrectly quote-minded to distort Darwin's views, a fact you didn't address, and your own other point from the works of Darwin was the subtitle of a book he wrote, without providing evidence from within that book that he was, in fact, a racist.

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


Of course kids don't understand evolution completely, they also don't understand the EM spectrum, gravity, transistors, etc. Science isn't made to be easily digested by children. Where is the negative impact of young children gradually getting to understand a scientific theory as they age?

And I'm not burying topics, I'm trying to get evidence for your claims, which you have not provided.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact
 


The link does work!

And it is not religious! It is the picture normally associated with evoultion, where we have the ape, then the homo erectus, then homo sapiens!


sorry man I am getting a 404 error !

if it is a pic post it to your profile or if a link you may type it out if you would like me to see/comment.


Where are you from man? China?
Let me google that for you!

You know the picture, I just explained what it contained!



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
the videos are on page 1 if anyone needs a reference...

line two


The subject of this entire thread is beyond ridiculous. You can't use a scientific theory as the reason for wars, an no one has so far. You conveniently keep on ignoring this fact...

The video's are so full of lies, you might just as well ask people to ask Spongebob


Just requoting this as the OP has horribly failed at showing even the slightest bit of evidence that a scientific theory was the reason people committed atrocities. Will continue to do this until he mans up and provides evidence...until then, this entire thread is beyond laughable as he can't even prove the premise of his thread



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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ok but doesn’t the fact that the guy who made the video in your opening is a know liar put the whole premise of your thread under doubt?

maybe you should open the question up to does following Darwin’s theory make you a bad person or does following a theistic line make you a rascal – because now we have some facts to debate



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by racasan
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ok but doesn’t the fact that the guy who made the video in your opening is a know liar put the whole premise of your thread under doubt?

maybe you should open the question up to does following Darwin’s theory make you a bad person or does following a theistic line make you a rascal – because now we have some facts to debate



ok then it does not make much difference that he does make a few interesting points to be discussed, there are two sides to every story.

I will find different videos made by a Christian or other and make a new thread better trying to explain myself.

sorry if I am failing anyone including myself in expressing what I am trying to convey.



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 11:19 AM
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ATTENTION PLEASE

1. Just because you do not agree with a post, does not make it off topic

2. Spamming the Complaint Forum with non relevant complaints does NOT look bad on the person you are complaining on..

3. If this topic upsets you that much, perhaps you should go elsewhere.

Thank you

Semper

ps.. Do NOT respond to this post in thread



posted on Dec, 26 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Excuse me, I mis-spoke. In my school, Spencer was not mentioned. We were taught the basics of the theory of evolution and we were taught about the negative aspects of social Darwinism as an abuse of the evolutionary theory. As for my statement on Creationism - - Bible can be replaced with Torah or Koran, the important point is that the account of Genesis is not something that you could discover by meditation or observation. You would only come to the conclusion that Creation occurred if you started from the premise that Scripture is accurate. Evolution is empirically observable, as with Professor Lenski's e.coli experiment. Genesis is necessarily unobservable because it is said to be an historical event. We can no more observe Genesis than we can observe the coronation of Napoleon.

Also, I said that 'nobody' knows Spencer when I should have said that he is not as widely known as Darwin.

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Once again I must tell you that Buddhists are not theists. And you have brought the discussion back to theism vs. atheism and creationism vs. evolution. And in doing so you have exposed your ignorance regarding atheism, yet again. Because you insist on returning to this topic, I insist on countering your argument again.

I think that when you say atheist, you really mean materialist. Of course, there are materialist Buddhists and Hindus (example: Carvaka). What you really mean seems to be atheists in the tradition of Western science and Enlightenment thought. Correct me if I am wrong.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul
 


God, I love Australopithecine. What a smexy ape-man!


P.S. As children we clearly understood that evolution did not mean that different races of humans would dominate others. Why? Because we were not racists. Social Darwinists abused Darwin's theory and contradicted his anti-racism because they presumed that racism was correct. Racism is not a part of evolution.



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