Geraldo and Jesse Ventura debunk 9/11!!

reply to post by Josephus23


"Here are proven false flags that the government has acknowledged:

1) Lusitania
2) Pearl Harbor
3) Gulf of Tonkin
4) Iraq WMD
"



they also spun the USS Maine blowing up in Cuba to commence the Spanish-American conflict

as for the gov't, well actually rogue cells of 'patriots' acting for the good of the system, grooming historical events...
covering up the WTC #7 demolition to hide the cache of both NY FED Gold, and the minefield of
incriminating doucuments proving the trails of fraud & such on major economic Firms/banks, etc

also the Pentagon attack of flight 77 by whomever....to cover up the +$2 trillion in missing funds...


think about this... it may be some wry & dark humor behind it... as the real flight 77 was supposedly
rerouted to some Ohio air field... i guess that the passengers and crew were then wisked off to a remote island for a lengthly but not unpleasant tropical captivity.

think back, the Reality TV programs like 'Survivor' came into being because TV entertainment was cleverly telling the populace that this is what actually happened to the real flight 77, while a remote controlled aircraft was pioleted in the Pentagon.
its a case of art copying reality


as far as WTC 1 & 2, they were attacked by terrorists on their Jihad against the little Satan (USA)
but the universal collapses were unexpected... which helped in the execution of WTC #7 and the Pentagon events and bring in a lot of muddying the waters on the whole 911 tragedy at WTC 1&2 ==>
which were allowed to happen as 'noise' for the subsequent plots to take place. at the other two sites

~0pinion~

reply to post by Josephus23


I'm not trying to argue with you. First off, I'm a fan of Jesse Ventura and his show. And he did raise some interesting questions in regards to the flight recorder boxes not being recovered. Considering that never before in history has a box NOT been recovered.

Secondly, you make some good arguments yourself. And I will agree there is compelling info out there that would make one wonder.

As for Geraldo, in my first response I was simply trying to identify that he is not someone I would use as my basis of argument. His original statements was in favor of the USG story. But now, because of ratings, and backing he changes his view. Geraldo is about as honest as Katie Couric. Geraldo trying to be the speaker for demolishing a building is comical at best.

Just sayin is all.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Please don't think all of my replies are just at you.
I am trying to play catch up.

I am highly suspect of Geraldo.
I do agree with you to a degree, but it is in his nature to take on controversy.
When he joined Fox he was supposedly a notorious liberal.

That was my reason for linking the McMartin Preschool Case.
Because in my opinion as a Psychology grad student, after reading the reports and the evidence...
I very much think that it is real. Most of the people in my class disagree with me, but the teachers actually teach it as being the product of both the children being suggestible and the parents hysteria.
Or they have a subgroup call pseudo-satanic ritual abuse, because cases have been proven.
So they had to say that those cases were "focal" or "pseudo" and localized.
Whatever....

i only bring that up because in a way Geraldo took away from the truth of what happened by sensationalizing "Satanism" back in the day.

I have my reservations about the entire of 9/11, but my main point is that we need a new investigation.

And the infighting between the truth movement because of planes or no planes is irrelevant and distracting in my opinion.

reply to post by spikey


What I can't comprehend is how people who believe the OS can justify the government withholding these videos. I really believe that a lot of people believe the OS story because of one deep rooted feeling. The "good old USA" could never murder its own citizens. Does anybody else get the same weird reaction by friends when you explain the basic physical abnormalities of the collapses and other facts and coincidences about 9/11? When they're listening to you they're actually contemplating in their head "that makes sense" but than it seems like fear overcomes them and they say, "no I can't believe our government would do such a thing." They simply can't get beyond that notion that our government could do such a thing (This is their ACE card). I think that was the farthest from all our minds on the day of 9/11. It's like never questioning a doctor's procedures because deep down you feel he knows best for his patient. An honest doctor will show you x-rays and explain things to prove his findings. In this case, our doctor is telling us we have a tumor but won't show us the x-ray.

reply to post by Whereweheaded

May I inquire to the proof or facts in regards to Pearl Harbor being a false flag operation?

If I may be so bold as to offer my assistance on this question. One need only watch the history channel to hear
the facts about how our boys were sacrificed at pearl. It worked very well to as a nation totally opposed to entering the war. Our young braves were lined up the next day in droves. This obviously wore down the already ailing Roosevelt. You can see it on film how his health took a complete nose dive after that. Now what are we looking at, that all those young men died for? That question makes me feel ill. No gaurantees in life, but for these basturds to send the wrecking ball in makes me want to open fire. I'm pissed for that reason alone.

sorry guys i havent had a chance to watch the video or read all the posts...but could someone please explain to me the part i have read about assange and wikileaks. i thought i read on the link he WOULDNT want a new inquiry....why?

Is this to say that geraldo is seeing the light? Why give a zionist a chance to slither in? I remember geraldo-stein telling 'truthers' to 'get a life', and saying publicly that the truthers are into restroom sex...radical communists etc...

Once a zionist always a zionist.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by spikey
You're kidding right?

Do you seriously think that a plot of this magnitude wouldn't have the plotters planting bit's and pieces that would be thought from the supposed aircraft?

YOU'RE kidding, right?

The government can't even keep Watergate a secret but somehow keeps something of the magnitude of a 911 conspiracy secret?

You're kidding right? What secret? Just because the government isn't admitting to anything, doesn't mean they are doing a good job keeping it a secret. Almost 10 years now and more and more and more information is coming out. All the evidence like thermate, witness testimony etc.

If you ask me,m they aren't doing a good job keeping it secret at all. Everything comes out in the wash.

Originally posted by FlySolo
You're kidding right? What secret? Just because the government isn't admitting to anything, doesn't mean they are doing a good job keeping it a secret.

Judging by the voluminous commentaries I’ve seen on this “Above Top Secret” discussion board attempting to bolster elements of the official story it seems the government has managed to keep the truth hidden from many ATS members along with your typical beer guzzlin sports junky.

there are alot of questions that need answers.

world trade center 7 is the smoking gun.

when u see video of the trade towers collapsing you see huge plumes of black smoke and fires burning out the windows.

if trade center 7 collapsed because of fire it would have to have been a fire of at least that magnitude. yet in the video you see no smoke or even any evidence of fire.

my opinion is that it collapsed because its structure and foundation were weakened by the collapse of the other two towers. the other two towers collapsed with such force and speed that it can be compared to a massive earthquake.

the vibrations and shockwaves of the twin towers could have seriously compromised the integrity of the steel and concrete so that it could no longer support it's own weight causing it to collapse on its self.

For me it's still unbelievable that there are so many people (who work for governments) keep supporting there so called 'leaders'. At the end the money and the power is still for your superiors not for you ! The crums are for you guys (and us) just like in the middle ages were the pour people 'were allowed' to lick the plates clean from which the so called 'Noblemen' just ate. During fancy dinners the leaders and bobo's laugh about you (and probably about us as well) that you and I are stupid enough to support them while they live in welth and are very rich.
Although I am from The Netherlands, I feel more connected then ever with all the American people who are suffering rightnow because of the whole situation.

Wake up please and walk away if you can. Yes I mean YOU !
Make things public from which you think it should'nt be covered up, have to balls to say no to things and help other people (us and yourself) by doing the right thing.

At the end we're are all the same (black, white, brown, yellow, christian, muslim, hindi, or whatever kind of beliefs you might have) and we need to support eachother and stand up for one another because the people in power won't. They simply don't take care of us. They just want to see us devided and fighting with eachother so they just can make more money.

I want to send you all my best wishes and a peacefull Christmas time.

Cheers,

Danny

It says in the link that there was no luggage from the plane or and plane part that hit the pentagon.
So there goes the credibility since there was photos of it being there.
Anyways i like the story and believe it, however i'd rather everything be super accurate so that people don't hop onto what's wrong and completely derail the subject xD

Although few pages in the thread so idk if it has already.
I will check when i wake up
Happy holidays btw ^^

I like talking to older people a lot. Especially when they get to their 80's + because secrets they have kept to themselves for a lifetime become important to pass on. Two people I have met were involved in setting explosives that looked like natural disasters. One fella was a professor of civil engineering (well into his 80's when I spoke with him) and told me he was involved this kind of stuff in Korea.

Another guy was a witness to the Christmas Island nuke tests and was an explosives expert in the British army. (For this he was sworn to secrecy for 38 years) He went off to Sth Africa where he worked until he retired. It was this guy who gave me the most eye opening insight into how the collapsing buildings of 9/11 was achieved. He told me that EVERY building over 18 stories is pre-detonated with explosives in case of natural disaster, or anything else - that the building may be brought down in it's own footprint and save the buildings around it.

"The government can't even keep Watergate a secret but somehow keeps something of the magnitude of a 911 conspiracy secret"?

Actually no they haven't kept 9/11 a secret.If they did..no one would know about it.There is a lot of evidence and people coming forward.It's not a secret if everyone knows about it..it's just nothing is being done about it...yet.

The more well respected people that come forward the more people are going to notice to the point where they will have to do something about it.

reply to post by spikey


You are absolutely right we did see him in Time Square selling us out. Those of us who help Geraldo to get where he is today. I was absolutely sick when I saw him turn against us as I thought he was a thinker then realized that we are all conned by Geraldo. He played the game which means nothing he says can be taken for granted and everything he says must be proven. For Geraldo to jump (I don't believe it) on our side over disbelieving the OS over 911 I need more beef than this to accept that. The image of Geraldo hating the people who had the balls to stand up in Time Square and flipping them off is too great to accept that Geraldo has seen the light. I am wondering where is the punch line in all of this for him to stand back laughing and strutting yelling your "Truthers will believe anything see I got your goat, roasted him and ate him and now I am laughing at you guys!"

I just wish something would come out that would prove to the entire world what we know is right and the Bush administration is guilty for murder both many people, the truth along with freedom of the American people not forgetting the gold that has gone missing. We need resolution and need it now. I was on one of those planes over Canada on 911 and it could have been my plane as we who were flying were all in the lottery!

Originally posted by punterdeb
sorry guys i havent had a chance to watch the video or read all the posts...but could someone please explain to me the part i have read about assange and wikileaks. i thought i read on the link he WOULDNT want a new inquiry....why?

That is one of my main reasons for distrusting Assange.
He constantly berates the truth movement. In my opinion, he is put in place to take attention away from 911, but it will not work.

Too many people lost their family members on that day and they have NEVER been satisfied with the government's explanation.
As soon as the day was over, all those who had lost family members were offered something like a 2 million dollar payout (too bad those that signed didn't realize that they were "making a deal with the devil" and that their money would most likely be worthless in 20 years).
In order for them to get the money they had to sign a waiver exempting responsibility and saying that they would not sue.
Of course some family members were in shock and grief stuck and poor as dirt, so they signed and took the money...
But the one's that did not have been very vocal.

And that is where the New York CAN (citizens for accountability now) movement began.

Geraldo mentions the fact that it is so many FAMILY members, who really would probably die fighting for this cause, that are literally forcing the government's hand in this.
CAN had a petition to put a new investigation by the New York city council on the ballot and it PASSED.
But a judge stopped the investigation???????????

Assange is a mossad asset in my opinion.
I don't want to make this into a wikileaks discussion, but his denial of 911 is very disturbing for someone who has collected sensitive information.
He must have something on 911.
The television cameras that rolled live that day give us all the ammo we need.

911 is being covered up for some reason, and it is NOT a conspiracy.
It is REALITY.

Originally posted by christina-66
I like talking to older people a lot. Especially when they get to their 80's + because secrets they have kept to themselves for a lifetime become important to pass on. Two people I have met were involved in setting explosives that looked like natural disasters. One fella was a professor of civil engineering (well into his 80's when I spoke with him) and told me he was involved this kind of stuff in Korea.

Another guy was a witness to the Christmas Island nuke tests and was an explosives expert in the British army. (For this he was sworn to secrecy for 38 years) He went off to Sth Africa where he worked until he retired. It was this guy who gave me the most eye opening insight into how the collapsing buildings of 9/11 was achieved. He told me that EVERY building over 18 stories is pre-detonated with explosives in case of natural disaster, or anything else - that the building may be brought down in it's own footprint and save the buildings around it.

I am engaged in this stuff as much as I dare. I am definitely prone to the unpopular ideas concerning many things.
The notion that all buildings are pre-detonated cannot be true in my experience. I work for an Engineering firm that supports both residential and Large Commercial structures. We have experienced technicians and inspectors on these sites all day- every day. They check and sign off on everything. Concrete, rebar- flooring, fireproofing, and the list goes on and on and on. We just finished a Casino, a very tall Casino. Our fees for that job for one year was in excess of 500K. This number shows the amount of time spent at this project. I live in the second largest city in our state. I would love to believe your quote, but from my experience i just cannot. Our inspectors or techs would have seen something that would have been obvious. These structural beams are checked with a fine tooth comb-explosives would have definitely registered a deficiency on the site.
Merry Christmas to all of ATS.

reply to post by lamonster99


The pre-detonation explanation is an interesting explanation, but it is short in my opinion, and it fails to meet the standards of Ockham's razor.
(not that Ockham is the gold standard)

The towers were experiencing a "power down" in the weeks prior to 911 and the security company in charge of the towers was headed by none other than the illustrious Marvin Bush.
(that is right of the George W. Bush family)
During this power down, more than enough time was given to rig the detonation of the building.
Especially if what was used was a gel made of nanothermite that is reactive at temps and cutting times 1000 times faster and hotter than your average thermite.
Remember that this is military grade.

A thread was posted a couple of days back by bsbray where John Cole cut a vertical beam with thermate.
Someone discussed this gel in that thread.

Originally posted by spikey
Watergate is your example to highlight your view that a system cannot keep secrets of misdeeds, simply because it was one of the few that had been discovered?

I'd advise you to *Get the hell real* and fast if that's the case!

Watergate is a great example of how even smaller issues can't survive a leak. And here you are saying outright that tons of people are running around planting airplane parts at a crash site. I might add that this is stuff you're just making up because your scenario has no backing evidence. If you have no evidence to support your initial beliefs, why should anyone believe an even more fantastic claim about bunches of people planting aircraft wreckage? I'd suggest that you and the rest of the Untruthers start again from a more rational standpoint.

reply to post by Josephus23


Wasn't Marvin appointed to that position just weeks prior if my memory serves me? I definitely think the whole 9/11 story stinks to high heaven. I have convinced my wife as well. The pentagon fiasco is really what got me to digging deeper. Amazing how 3 well engineered structures suffered collapse from fire when previous high rises suffering fires have suffered no such fate to my knowledge.
I smell something and its not roses.