I'm sick of Democracy! Give Me Monarchy!

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posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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Take a look at America today.... the politicians are dominated by big business and corruption runs rampant!

How is today's government any better than having a king in power. A king that is trustworthy and wise and takes time making decisions wouldn't be all too bad, in comparison to a congress that is bribed through lobbies.

The main problem is that in a democracy, opinion tends to center towards two opposing views, i.e. Democrats and Republicans and any other outside views are seen as "Extremist". Eventually these two opposing views will center into one view, as we see happening now with the similarity between John Kerry and George Bush.

Sadly, it has reached a point now where no matter what changes the democrats and republicans make this country is headed downwards. The only thing that could save us is a dictator or king and they would have to be a good person too.

I don't think you could find a good person who could be king so I'd say we are screwed!

[edit on 20-7-2004 by John bull 1]



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posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 09:34 AM
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Honestly, if you want monarchy move to another damn country. We got rid of kings a long time ago over here.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 09:50 AM
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Lockheed, People might have said a statment similar to yours when people wanted to change from a monarchy to democracy.....



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:01 AM
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The beauty about democracy is you can vote the politicians in or out.
However, it seems more and more dummies from both sides are voting the WRONG kinds of politicians in , mainly because media puts impressive ideas into the heads of Americans, no longer are people thinking for themselves now, but rather they are hoping someone can do the thinking for them and just go with the flow. That what it seems like anyway.

Our duty as patriotic Americans is vote out all the a holes in congress, don't elect kerry and don't elect bush, either vote for a third party, not nader either, or start your own, and for the love of god vote people in who respect that wonderful document that made us free people, not the aholes that are trying to amend it.

Main problem: laziness.... People by nature are lazy, they always want someone else to do the dirty work, well wake up America, nobody is going to do your dirty work we have to get together and start voting people out, then they will get the message that we American's aren't going to put up with their #.




People the deserve the kind of government they have if they don't do anything about it.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:03 AM
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THIS IS NOT A DEMORACY!

THIS IS A REPUBLIC! we choose the reprecenatives to vote for the people. if this were a demoracy, the people would vote on every issue that came up in the legislature. christ!


"we are the people sire, chosen from among the people to speak for the people" Senator Crakus form the movie gladiator


Rome had the same system. almost anyways

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by KrazyIvan]



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:08 AM
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Actually. looking at history we see that monarchies were, for the most part, only interested in protecting the rich (the aristocracy), just like our current government is. Even monarchs with absolute power like Louis the Sun King relied on support from the upper class. The poor and middle class are just pawns and expendable manpower. It's always been that way, and still is. The rich don't want to pay taxes and the burden falls on the lower classes.

As for the democracy v republic thing, I think it would be possible to have an actualy democracy with the creation of the internet. The people could vote on every issue, no matter how big or small. Call it a virtual democracy... Of course, there would be all kinds of problems with this, but it's still possible.

[edit on 7/6/2004 by Flinx]



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:17 AM
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Excused me but voting for only two major candidates elected by their inside elections sound like dictatorship to me.

You have two choices whoa............either way you loose.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:22 AM
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Problem is, they don't have two choices, media has banged that into our heads.


YOu have choices but people also believe those choices will never get elected, and thus, vote for either or .

Voting outside of the two major parties is also called a protest vote.
Which is bs imo.

It's not a protest vote! It's to get those aholes from both sides outta there.
I guess you could look at it that way since I do detest both parties so yeah I would be casting my vote to another party and protesting at the same time.

We Americans need to wake up and start smelling the beans, because those weenies we got in office are running ship all over us while appeasing us at the same time.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Excused me but voting for only two major candidates elected by their inside elections sound like dictatorship to me.

You have two choices whoa............either way you loose.


well f the thrid party would step up to the plate and actualy do something campaiging we wouldnt be in this mess



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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You know, I really can't think of a time when this country wasn't a two-party state. The parties have changed and may have been Whigs, Federalists, Democrats, or Republicans, but it's always essentially been a dual party system. Of course there have been a few times when a third party stirred things up (Populists, Progressives, Reform), but they've never posed a serious threat to the system.

I just don't think our system is made for anything but the two party system. If you want 3rd parties to make a difference you need a parlimentary system like Canada has. But we don't and never will since we don't like changing anything. So we'll just have to deal with it.

The only way a third party will come to power is if they replace one of the established two. But then it won't be a "third" party anymore will it?



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 10:58 AM
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Where I am from in PR we sometimes get 4 groups, pro independent, pro socialist, pro state, and pro comunwhealth.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 11:24 AM
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Well there were actually successful 3rd parties in America's history,

Here is everything I can remember about the American political system's history from my government classes:

Originally it was the Federalists and Democratic-Republicans
Eventually the Democratic-Republicans beat the Federalists into submission and America became a one-party system throughout the "Era of Good Feelings" The reason for the Federalist demise was the Alien and Sedition acts which basically violated the bill of rights by encroaching peoples freedoms.

Then the whig party came along and got elected but was split when slavery became a major issue and so the Democratic-Republicans split and became Democrats and Republicans.

As far as third parties go,

The populist party was so successful all their ideas were eaten up by the democrats and the Bull Moose Party was so successful with having Theodore Roosevelt as its candidate that it pulled so many votes from the Republican candidate, Taft, that Woodrow Wilson won.

The problem today is that so many election laws have been established, especially in North Carolina and Texas, that keep 3rd parties off the ballot no one really does have a good choice anymore.

While there is hope in our representative democracy (pronounced republic) of turning things around, with the control the mass media has over everything enough of the right people will not get elected to change things. So, my conclusion is that we need to abolish our government for a while, get a nice dictator and then reinstate the original constitution. But thats just my proposal... anyone got better ideas? Go extremists WOOO!

"Fanaticism consists of redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim. " - George Santayana

"Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world's ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all." - John W. Gardner

Note: When has a dictator ever actually given back power? NEVER!!! WE ARE DOOMED HAHAHA!





[edit on 6-7-2004 by lockheed]



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by lockheed
So, my conclusion is that we need to abolish our government for a while, get a nice dictator and then reinstate the original constitution. But thats just my proposal... anyone got better ideas? Go extremists WOOO!



Well you're assuming that dictator would give the power back after "a while". I certainly wouldn't....


I have plenty of ideas, but some of them are kind of....extreme. I doubt my "Linking all minds together" proposal would go over very well.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 03:50 PM
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kings are in power for as long as they live and you cant vote them in, do you really want that? If YOU want that move to some other country.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 03:56 PM
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If true communism or true socialism could actually work, I would want to live in a world like that.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 05:21 PM
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I think that in order to vote, you should at least be able to understand the political process. People who vote Tory just because they've 'always voted tory', or those who vote Labour because 'Tony Blair has a nice face' would be instantly refused voting privileges. The same for Bubba, who votes for the politician with the biggest ... assets :shk:

At least that way we'd only have people voting who have actually thought of the effect their vote will have on the country.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 06:22 PM
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As for a monarchy, we would need to make sure that we got the right kind of ruler. The Windsor's are definitely out of the running then, and the thought of someone like Blair as king is enough to make me call for a second Oliver Cromwell !

Therefore, may I suggest ...



King Pisky I




posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 07:35 PM
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All hail Pisky the Pixy King of Pixyland




Anyway Monarchy's are bad Im ready for just more parties I can vote for. That way there is no power in the government.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by xenophanes85
If true communism or true socialism could actually work, I would want to live in a world like that.


Your wish always came true in America in the early 1900's when the Socialist Party here in the USA was picking up a lot of steam, but later shut down by the federal government.

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In America, it doesn't matter if you vote Republican or Democrat. United States is a one party government anyway.



posted on Jul, 6 2004 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
... Your wish always came true in America in the early 1900's when the Socialist Party here in the USA was picking up a lot of steam, but later shut down by the federal government.

Now the question is, would it have worked? Or would we have become another USSR/Russia?


In America, it doesn't matter if you vote Republican or Democrat. United States is a one party government anyway.

Agreed with this. There are so many moderates on both sides (I'm one of them - Moderate Republican), the line has been blurred. If there isn't one already (I'm not really sure) and if I was important enough, I would start a Moderate Party - I'm sure it would do very, very well.






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