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Originally posted by Schrödinger
A High-Level Mason is a mason that have reached the top of his order, that being York or Scottish Rite etc.
Now do not confuse this with the Higher Echelon, that we also talk about, because the Higher Echelon, is what some refer to as the Illuminati (NO we are not talking about the Bavarian Illuminati, but for lack of better word, we chose to call it Illuminati)
Since obviously the Higher Echelons name would either be none-existent (clever tactic) or unknown to us (Us= conspiracy theorists)
A High-Level Mason, could also be holding degrees in other orders, like Knights Templar or Rosicrucians, but really any higher order, that requires membership of one of the lesser lodges. (I know in theory, you could become a MM from a blue lodge and then join the Knights Templar, I have yet to see a single case of this happening though)
Originally posted by Schrödinger
Ok I will throw in a name to get the ball rolling: Rupert Murdoch!
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Schrödinger
Ok I will throw in a name to get the ball rolling: Rupert Murdoch!
I am not aware of the fact that Rupert Murdoch is a Mason. Can you please direct me to where you may have come across this information?
Originally posted by Schrödinger
You are misunderstanding something!
I am exactly saying that the Sovereign Inspector for the Southern Jurisdiction, has no DIRECT influence over Scottish Rite members in the North!
It's like the problem with the media, journalist aren't told what they aren't allowed to ask, since that would just be obvious, instead they are "guided" into "thinking" in a specific "mindset" another word is; self-censorship!
And it is not a case of semantics, the higher echelon is a name I use instead of Illuminati (because that name is just polluted, and cannot be mentioned in a debate, without someone insisting that the Bavarian Illuminati is extinct (which I agree with by the way)
So a High-Level Mason could be a member of the Higher Echelon, it is not an absolute.
Yes it might seem "convenient" that the theory involves a secret society not visible to the public, but that is the premise for this theory none the less.
I am refering to the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon aka Knights Templars!
Originally posted by Schrödinger
Would you please direct me to your source claiming he is not?
I am just making an assumption, that he when studying at a Masonic College*1, was introduced to fraternities*2, and from there learned about secret societies. (Freemasons, being the direct route to take)
Is it that far fetched to believe that one of the most powerful people of the earth, tries to better himself as a human being, seeking membership with his enlightened brothers in Freemasonry?
You never mentioned that we where only allowed to mention public person KNOWN to be masons!
Originally posted by Schrödinger
I am tired its 4 in the morning here.
I was referring to The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta! NOT the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon!
Originally posted by Epsillion70
All I know is there is a lot of conjecture and presumptions of who and what the Masons are. I hold no opinion either way and simply see them as fellow Human beings in their own quests for knowledge and understanding in life and as with every organization on this planet at either micro or macro levels there will always be an individual/individuals within it that seemingly have malevolent intentions to the rest of the people outside. My 2 cents.
Originally posted by Schrödinger
No that is not what I am saying, of course they have influence over the craft, they are highly respected and honored members of the association and community. Saying they have no influence would be false, however there is no direct chain of command. It is not like a 33 degree mason can command a 13th degree mason, just because he "out ranks" him for lack of better term (yes I know you claim that the degrees are honorary degrees, but I disagree there, thats for another thread though)
If I could prove it, it would not be a theory, now would it?
I have written around 100+ pages of articles on exactly this matter, connecting the dots I have found from ancient mystery schools to modern secret societies. I do not believe there are some thought of unbroken chain dating back to Sumer or Babylon, but a chain of ideology, ideas and thoughts, rituals and symbols!
Originally posted by Schrödinger
You wan't me to bring you proof, knowing very well that I cannot prove that he was a Mason, I just believe he is connected to the secret societies one way or another (emphasis on believe)
I know the list, and there are many famous masons not on it
You weren't aware that Oxford where built by masons? (Never said it was a Masonic Institution)
Wow, well I will provide you with evidence of that claim!
If you deny that masons build this, well I guess we are done here
Fair enough, you only want Masons, which have publicly acknowledged they are Masons. Your thread your rules, however you are limiting our playing field here
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
So I can safely assume that, in your opinion, not one Mason who is known to be so is considered a 'High-Level' Mason and is part of this conspiritorial cabal?
Please link a few and I promise to read them. I would prefer articles not already located on this website.
Originally posted by Schrödinger
Still want the links? I could just link you the most relevant ones, U2U me if you are interested