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NET NEUTRALITY: A look at your ISP in months to come...

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:28 PM

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:32 PM

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:33 PM
I want to pull my hair out because of all of you Doom wailers.

There is a possibility that the net neutrality thing (I can't call it a bill or a law or a regulation because I can't find any official documentation on the friggin thing) will allow ISP's to favor certain websites and discriminate against others.

How, exactly, do you arrive at anger when the FCC wants to give a company the right to run their business as they please? They want to give Comcast the opportunity to tier their network, restrict availability of websites and services, or point their users to a service more friendly to that specific company? LET THEM.

Where do you get off thinking you can force your government to MAKE any company do what YOU want them to do? Hell yes, freedom needs to be protected. THEIR freedom from YOU.

Everyone gets this stuff turned around, twisted, then sunk into them as a twisted, grotesque version of the original intention. The ONLY way you'll ever get true freedom of speech out of the internet is if the Government takes over all ISP's and allows it to become a public, protected service. And we all know the danger in that.

The only solution: Let this happen. Allow these companies to wreck themselves. You show your support for them with your hard earned dollar. The American Dream: Build a business and become successful by providing the public with a service they want. When Comcast/Warner/Hughes/etc STOPS being that company, a small business owner will step in and offer the public what they want. This is how empires fall. This is how empires are created. This is an opportunity for you to create your empire. Start your own company and step in. Fill the gap that these ISP's are creating. If you don't want to create such a business, find someone who does and support them. Back them by being their first customer. These 'rules' that I cannot find any documentation on and am receiving only second-hand information on, will apparently protect THAT business owner in the creation of his new ISP. And will force the entire issue right down the throats of these ISP Monsters, the left wing, the right wing, and everything in between.

Anyone want to play with this one? I'm open for a debate challenge. In closing: How many of you have looked up the FCC's charter? How many of you figured out that the FCC gave ITSELF the power to make these rules? Anyone look at who voted on this matter? I keep seeing a 3-2 vote... but by whom? Does it really make sense for the FCC regulators and chairman (who pulled simple numbers for the vote) to give itself the power to regulate anything? Of all the issues present, that would be grossest violation of American rights on the matter.

TL;DR : You wouldn't force Taco Bell to sell hamburgers. Quit bitching when a company wants to use it's own assets in it's own way.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:52 PM
Lets not go an get ahead of ourselves just yet. This is a split majority vote in favor of democrats through the FCC, not in a federal court or by the law makers on capital hill just yet.

There is no reason to believe this will make it into effect before it is struck down or turned back. This is far too big a bite for the federal government right now considering all the circumstances in America at present.

If anything, this is a distraction for something else. I wouldn't expect the way to use internet to change anytime soon, smoke and mirrors. You have to remember that along with providing information and business to the few of us that still use that sort of thing the internet provides entertainment to the masses and in a country with problems such as ours right now......... Entertainment is the last thing you want to fool with.

This is a big issue and probably will be more so in the future but whatever is happening now is just fluff, nothing will change without some significant event or the government willing to all out declare war on the American public.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:59 PM

Originally posted by Section31

I did not put in long hours to obtain an education, so I can make a product in which someone can pass along for free. I want to be paid for my time, efforts, and knowledge. I want to get an hourly wage, and I want to make a profit. If the company I work for starts losing money to online pirating (stealing), the owners of the company will close up shop due to a lack of profit

Education is not and had never been about making more money. What we had been taught were only experiences shared by our ancestors who had given freely so that mankind may improve and progress upon what had been achieved.

The masses have no grudge about paying for improvements talents. Nothing is free is something everyone understand, and would gladly pay a bit more to experiene something different, an escape from the drudgeries of life.

But what had happened today is that the masses being made suckers and taken for a ride by paying obscenely more and never endingly more as each day progresses. It never seemed to be enough, and as a result, the masses while paying them more will have lesser to spend, creating poverty at all levels.

Take the simple example of Arnold Swarznegger. I loved his acting styles and would gladly pay even $300 to watch a movie with him in it. But it never ends, he will ask $400 from each consumer and then consistantly rising all the way. It's all about greed. When is enough, enough?

I sincerly doubt if old Arnie intended to milk the masses dry. He only seeks for fair renumeration from his bosses - the Corporations whom made much much obscenly more than the artists and talents are being shared and paid.

It was the Corporations that milked us dry, for they refused to SHARE their profits, more money than they can ever live for several lifetimes, but had decided behind board rooms to answer such demands from artistes and talents by simply passing on such costs to the consumers.

This isn't what Capitalism is all about or what the originator of Capitalism had in mind. This is PURE GREED by Corporations that is creating more poverty, suffering and chaos in our world!

And mankind ultimately will strike back, one way or another....

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:39 PM
reply to post by Arrowmancer

Yeah because what you suggest has worked so well in so many industries

So I get to choose between Time Warner and Windstream, vote with my dollars huh?

This sounds familiar hmmmmmm .....

Kinda like getting to choose between John McCain and Barry Soetoro.

You know where I live those are my only choices. Windstream bought out the great local company that was my ISP for years. Windstream sucked so bad here I had to move to Time Warner, so I already voted. Now If these two limit my internet access where will I go then?

This illusion of competition and choice between companies is exactly like the illusion of choice between Presidential Candidates. We do not really have a truly competitive marketplace just the illusion of one. I can choose which giant retailer to buy from, which restaurant chain to eat at, and what giant communications company will get my cell phone business (don't even get me started on banks). And isn't it obvious that these companies know this. They prove they don't give a rats ass about their customers every time you call their so called "customer service". What? You going to threaten to leave their service? And do what? Run to the other company? What happens then when they treat you the same? Choice my ass! Small guys don't stand a chance - the titans work hard with lobbyist on congress to pass laws making it impossible to even become the remotest competitive threat to Goliath. And even if one were to rise up they get bought out by one of the big guys - happens in banking all the time and it happened to my local ISP.
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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:10 PM
reply to post by CanadianDream420

I hope this makes all you democrats realllllly happy. Welcome to Cable TV for the Internet folks!!!

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:27 PM

Originally posted by intelinside451
reply to post by CanadianDream420

I hope this makes all you democrats realllllly happy. Welcome to Cable TV for the Internet folks!!!

Yes you are correct its cable tv for the internet... is cable a monopoly? No. Has cable tv stopped you from watching your favorite shows compared to when it was just over the air? No it gave you more possibilities.

If your trying to say that everyone will now be censored in what they can view and will pay more then you need to read more into this. In my area the number of people who have internet just passed the number of people who have tv and the amount of competition for internet is huge. No business could afford to take the risk of tiering their service to be more expensive then it is today because of the risk their competition wouldn't follow ( and they wouldn't)

What I could possibly see is an economy type product that is cheaper then the normal internet today and used to access the top 1000 ranked sites. Even then I don't see it as plausible because of how hard it would be to tell if people are masked by a proxy or not.

People are giving much too much credit to the billing systems of cable providers. The major ones use CSG for their billing system and it would be nearly impossible for it to be utilized well. Combine this with the backlash of its customers and it just doesn't work for a business.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:11 AM
reply to post by MegaMind

Demanding that businesses change the way they operate. You, as a consumer, can do that. You can, collectively, issue your demands and act according to the repsonse you receive. That is the power you have as a consumer. If you're willing to do the leg work.

Problem is, most people aren't willing to do the leg work. Polls and petitions are a good way to gather data and show that you aren't the only person of your mindset. Strikes, bans, rallies, and lockouts are ways to forcibly get your point across. If you can gather the strength to pull it off. If you can't, you can sit there, in your house, browsing your moderated internet. Or if it's important enough to you, if it MEANS something to you, you can be the small business owner who doesn't sell out. Or you can move somewhere where that small business owner exists. It all comes down to what's important to you and what you're willing to do to achieve it.

Too many people go off about the 'illusion of choice'. Carlin did it. Black does it. It's now a rally call for political movements and activists. But at the end of the day, you do have a choice. Lead or follow.

Or sit on the sidelines crying.

The choice IS yours.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:17 AM
reply to post by bladdersweat

At default there is not many settings to change. But to gain ultimate(and i mean ultimate) customization one must know how to do so. Say for example that you have an iPhone. Default out of the box its not very customizable, but jailbreak it, and a whole new world of customization opens up to you, you can alter literally EVERYTHING, settings and all. It all comes down to whether the said person is technologically adaptable.


posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 01:46 AM
I really don't understand how this can be implemented for people like me, simply because my internet is included in my rent and it is a flat fee, if it goes up then rent will go up astronomically and people will not pay and will be evicted. The people around here are not by any means rich. So It's really going to screw the apartment complex as well because they will have no tenants, the main reason a lot of people move here is because internet and cable are included in rent. Just a question.......


posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 03:44 AM

ith another ddos attack? thanks, thats very usefull... how about someone teaches anonymous to stop using programs made by other people in their "attacks" .. . People might be more concerened if you learnt a thing or two, instead of "download this, and press button"

I agree with your statement, give us the exemple to follow.
Instead of sitting on your ass and criticize while some peoples are actualy FIGHTING for OUR rights.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 05:41 AM
reply to post by Arrowmancer

I agree with Arrowmancer. This is the beauty of Capitalism. If a company raises their prices or changes their policies, stop buying from them and use a different company or even better, open your own company. Don't buy from these ISP's and affect their bottom line.

Be the change you want to see.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 05:56 AM
reply to post by curlygirl

I agree and fully support your sentiment. But NOT everyone has that choice as you suggested. Being an entreprenuer carries many untold risks. The days of simply setting up a lemonade stand on a street corner had long been over.

There are barriers to entry, made worse with the huge amount of regulations the corporation paid authorities will require. Then there are the big boys, with big advertisement budgets to muscle you out one way or another, more so if it is over CONTROL, which is their agenda.

Capitalism as we and our forefathers know it had been dead long ago. We are facing a tyranny of the highest order today whom legislated laws do not apply to them and legislators paid to shut up. There is no where to turn to, even for the consumer, who either no longer hold a job or is paid little but with needs, had to put up with what BIG BROTHER set up for you.

You think fellow americans would willingly buy inferior chinese products? No, they had no choice. They had little to spend for better quality goods. Buying a quality product means sacrificing it for something else more important such as bills and food for the family.

We are all screwed. Only by realizing the collective power we mankind possess can we change the script to fulfill our aspirations in life and destiny.....

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 07:57 AM
Are you serious???? Is this what's happening???? I had no clue! And don't forget those of us that use the internet to obtain further education through schools like University of Pheonix, and University of MD University college!

The Veterans Administration just approved a strategy to include veteran GI Bill housing allowances for students that attend only online college, and people will have to stop going to college online because they have to pay more for their internet to get the correct tier of internet!

The heck with that... I'll cut my internet off. I can understand premium payments for certain commercial free TV stations like HBO etc, but there's no such thing as a premium internet website!

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 11:32 AM
All of you people talking about dropping your net if they start charging per site are crazy!! Look what happened with cellphone services!! They started out with plans that were $20 a month, and since more and more and more people use them, they can charge more without anyone complaining. I don't know what cell phone provider everyone uses but I personally use Verizon, they were charging the base fee of your service plus $30 a month for a stupid data package!! This is exactly what will happen with the internet and ABSOLUTELY NOBODY will do a darn thing about it because of the "needs". Once these major coorporations see there is money to be made, it is all over!!

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 11:55 AM
Anything for the almighty dollar. The sad thing is people will actually pay for this because they want to use their internet and they think that they have to in order to surf. I wonder how long it is before "Pirate" isp companies show up that allow the surfer to surf wherever. And I also wonder how long it is before people develop ways to create your own web server and completely bypass the isp.
There is also stuff like proxy servers that will allow you to surf through thier servers rather than your isp's etc.

Just a thought.

posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 01:32 PM
reply to post by js331975

A proxy does NOT completely bypass the ISP.

With this setup, not a single proxy would be on the allowed websites list. You need your ISP to reach the proxy to begin with. A proxy is not a miracle cure.

posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 01:34 AM
Just a new way to silence free speech,and probably eliminate conspiracy theory , the big money men are being exposed through the net and they don't like it!

posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 05:46 AM
Net neutrality is a good thing. It means everyone is treated equally on the net.

Right-wingers hate it because is stinks of "socialism omg!"

But if you want to set up a small blog you get equal treatment to a giant like Microsoft.

This FCC ruling is good for phone-line broadband.

Unfortunately thanks to Google, wireless cell phone broadband will NOT be neutral, meaning corporate favoritism.

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