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NET NEUTRALITY: A look at your ISP in months to come...

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:17 AM

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
This will backfire. Millions of net users, like me, will simply walk away if these type of money grubbing tactics come into play. Big Business already makes me sick, I will be damned if they get a single extra penny out of me for using the web.

We will see an upsurge in magazines and book sales, once they start rolling on the greed

Excellent, meaning the western elites will control the sheeples the old way again. Using the internet is so not worth it. Thank you for your cooperation.

Jay Rockefeller: Internet should have never existed

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:37 AM
i watched as this happened to my free TV.
They made us all go over to digital TV Boxes
or purchase Sat services.

I declined and said no thanks,
so I don't have TV anymore cuz of that.

and today i watch as they do the same thing
with the internet. And once again I will do
the same thing

I will decline and say no thanks
so i won't have internet anymore cuz of that

one day in the not so distant future,
u will have to pay a fee to do ur own
thinking as they are already trying to
make u pay a fee to breathe with carbon

this system deserves to fall
and it will

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 03:49 AM
not to mention that all of our 'current' hardware will be replaced, with 'upgrades'. i mean how many of us are really using any hardware that was made in say, 2000 now? the future of computers seems more to be integrating between the sheeple's TV and Facekook:

what isp's can institute is passing along the price tag to the consumer, no they won't technically take down the content or censor, but it will be effectively unavailable if you you are outclassed and can't afford all the content anymore..

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 04:15 AM
well, here I go downloading all the websites i can using my httracker. info sites mostly, obscure stuff...then on to the bigger stuff...and setting auto update till round about the time this crap goes into effect.

one question though, how will this effect the use of dongles? is this just a USA thing?

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 04:43 AM
found this interesting video from
Judge Andrew Napolitano on
what the FCC is doing here.
it is simply illegal what they are
doing. It's unconstitutional as well.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 04:48 AM
Remember folks there are still small independent ISP's many of which still allow 56k modem access. I realize we've been spoiled with all the inexpensive broadband, but I don't need to get my movies online and I downloaded pictures just fine when I was using a modem in the past and I can do it again if it comes to that.

While YouTube certainly enhances the internet as we all use it here, I can do without it.

I'm afraid small independent ISP's would begin to gain customers & start up web sites would replace YouTube as well as other popular destinations.

Many folks are fed up with the overpriced cable TV bills have switched to the digital free TV channels which are actually clearer than what you get with cable or satellite because of the compression. The caveat is you have to live near a large city to have many channels & forget about HBO etc. .

For free internet there are ISP's that offer free trials & there's always the public library if you have one.
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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 04:49 AM

President Obama, long an ardent backer of net neutrality, is ignoring both Congress and adverse court rulings, especially by a federal appeals court in April that the agency doesn't have the power to enforce net neutrality. He is seeking to impose his will on the Internet through the executive branch. FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, a former law school friend of Mr. Obama, has worked closely with the White House on the issue. Official visitor logs show he's had at least 11 personal meetings with the president.

The net neutrality vision for government regulation of the Internet began with the work of Robert McChesney, a University of Illinois communications professor who founded the liberal lobby Free Press in 2002. Mr. McChesney's agenda? "At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies," he told the website SocialistProject in 2009. "But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control."

A year earlier, Mr. McChesney wrote in the Marxist journal Monthly Review that "any serious effort to reform the media system would have to necessarily be part of a revolutionary program to overthrow the capitalist system itself." Mr. McChesney told me in an interview that some of his comments have been "taken out of context." He acknowledged that he is a socialist and said he was "hesitant to say I'm not a Marxist."


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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 04:53 AM
The image in the op has been floating around for a couple of years now(here's one from 2008), it's nothing new.

The data attached to the image itself shows it's a year old there. It was from a market research panel a few years ago when concerns about "net neutrality" became a frequent issue. Look around here, there were several threads on it. Also, from what I've read it seems the vote today did more to help than to hurt, unless I'm interpreting everything to do with it completely backwards.

Either way, I don't think this tiered internet will ever become a reality. Too many corporations would lose too much in investments. That and the .com bubble is already about to detonate. Again.

Even if it did happen, I'd bet within a week there would be dozens of "private" ISPs popping up. Sure, you could probably trace most of them back to one of the aforementioned corporations, but they'd be there.

This also makes me wonder about satellite internet. It can't be that hard to... We'll say "harvest" some bandwidth from them. Much in the same way that with a short tutorial, a few parts and tools from Ebay and some time on your hands you can have free satellite TV....

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:10 AM

I don't think they can do this without cutting their own throats along with their competitor Netflix or Wikileaks or whatever poses a threat to this retrograde communications mindset that functions on the basis of fear. We can start our own ISP's our own backbones and networks, they should not forget the history of BBS and the massive slow crawl of those systems and LACK OF USERS. Do they want LESS INCOME and CUSTOMERS, then by all means implement tiered pricing, if someone offers unlimited....THEY WILL WIN this communications BS three ring circus show. Everytime someone tries to implement paywalls, the people walk, they quit the once free service....this goes back to the banning of newsgroups that were offered for free by ISP's for decades thanks to Democrat Chuck Schumer....on the basis of the possible access to child porn....well according to his logic then we should ban children from the planet if we don't want crazies to abuse them, makes as much sense as banning pencils to prevent bombmaking, cause one can write chemistry and mathematics with a pencil, so maybe we should ban that too?
George Carlin was right americans are pretty much not paying attention to the morons posing as leaders and geniuses.
WE CANNOT UNINVENT HIGH SPEED COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS NO MATTER WHAT SOME DICTATOR MIGHT WANT. Medicine, Banking, Auto's and now the very tools used to communicate....hey Newegg, and any other internet stores Amazon....goodbye to your JOBS when everyone flees thanks to the government and the hacks at the media companies, they are trying to wreck your market in hard disks, computers, faster technology, etc.

To me if this works it means they want more people out of work, more people dependent on them, more people living in some downgraded existence from the previous highly connected one.....I could spend the rest of my time off the internet and still NEVER read all of my books or listen to all of my music, etc......nobody lives forever.....including monopolies. In the end we are talking about words and if somebody thinks they can control all of our thoughts than maybe they need to limit our capacities, not just for data but for our own thoughts, in some sense they want us not to even have our own thought time, our time must be focused on the thoughts that keep them in a position of power over us, something seems foolish about all this need for control, like it might be the dawn of a MAD MAX like world in which everyone loses control simply as a result of everyone doing their own thing....our own backbone, our own networks, our own ISP's our own wireless stations, our own power stations, etc.....our own advancded secret technologies, to me that seems also how all this stuff like the internet got started, by people doing something for fun and on their own to make it work, to create something of value....and now these bozos come along and they claim they have some kind of authority, excuse me.....step away from the mic before serious economic damage gets done by such simpleminded understandings of communications systems.....THESE SYSTEMS ARE ONLY USEFUL IF THEY ARE UNLIMITED CAPCITIES FOR ALL, eg, if someone needs info, who am I to decide they are not worthy, in fact if they have less money then they probably need the info more. Once you implement flow control you impact capital markets in a way you can't predict....millions can unplug and walk away, as long as it works it can be used, but it they break it, they also will lose it, nobody wins if they claim a win, in the end they lose as well, we all lose, now who would offer up a law like that? Only people that have little understanding of markets and technology....and transformation from old systems to new ones.....back when nobody used the internet it was expensive as hell even for 56k, this stuff didn't just happen overnight, and thes regulations cannot just happen overnight.

The very same people that wish the internet had never been invented want to protect us from Comcast, it seems to me they are both trying to turn the public consumer into their bouncing ball in their game of power.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Magnivea

Either way, I don't think this tiered internet will ever become a reality. Too many corporations would lose too much in investments. That and the .com bubble is already about to detonate. Again.

here is part of the emerging tiered internet...
( i did post this earlier) lView

i doubt these new interfaces are nearly as customizable as the pc's we are so used to... as cloud computing become the next norm our little netbooks won't even have the capabilities of changeable user settings, how many setting can you really change on a current iphone or pda?

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:39 AM
The last line of free speech will "not go quietly into that good night." The worst thing that TPTB could do is to created a "tier internet." You know why? The people lose their entertainment, they start thinking again. So I can't do research on the internet. I have a library card, and have had one since the age of 7. My voice? I can make flyers. I can make phone calls.

Is the potential for a tier internet system a good thing? Absolutely not. Will the American populous take it? Maybe, maybe not. But the hackers of the world are Legion, and we are many, as some others before me have put it. We will not let this stand as it is. This corporations want more money? We'll make sure to sink their ship before they sink ours. Maybe it's about time to start dusting off my cobwebs and get into the fight...

My biggest fear, however, is that the people will pay for it, because they are so engrossed with the internet. There will be no revolution, no fight back, nothing. The people will turn the other cheek and say "please sir, may I have another." It's a very scary prospect indeed.

Let's hope for free speech sake, that this never takes hold in our country.

Peace be with you.


posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:54 AM
reply to post by bladdersweat

Yeah I saw them before I posted. I don't see how this is related, though. The whole "app" thing is bound to fail, it's been a niche market since the beginning. Apple started it and everyone else followed, hoping to cash in on their market. That does not mean it will stick.

Remember HD DVDs? They had a nice long run of about a year before BluRay crushed them. There will always be people who want specialized crap on their phone or Ipad or Ipod or Android or whatever. I have a smartphone with some "apps" on it. I have an Ipod Touch with some "apps" (yes quotes, that phrase makes me shudder every time I hear it) but would I trade my notebook or desktop with a traditional OS on it? Never.

PDAs and tablet PCs and whatnot will always be around for people that HAVE to get on facebook or whatever from wherever they are. There will always be people who want to have their big screen TV for a computer (just buy a ps3, it's a lot easier). That does not mean they will be the new desktop or laptop.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:56 AM

Originally posted by Xavialune
well, here I go downloading all the websites i can using my httracker. info sites mostly, obscure stuff...then on to the bigger stuff...and setting auto update till round about the time this crap goes into effect.

one question though, how will this effect the use of dongles? is this just a USA thing?

Seems to be a u.s thing.. Over here in asia governments are encouraging people to become more IT savvy along with encouraging more web use and development- its actually getting cheaper to use web here with service and web speed improving..

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:59 AM

Originally posted by fixer1967
We might as well face facts. One way or another we are going to lose the Internet we have grown to love. What will replace it will be little more than useless for most people. I see a increase in stamps sells as people go back to mailing in there bills payment and stop using on line bill pay. I see untold billions is lost sells as buy on line becomes a thing of the past. The world of information will be set back to the middle 1970's before there was an Internet. Computer sells will drop though the floor as computers become nothing more that fancy type writers and calculators. The net will go on but only the very rich will be able to use it much. This is not going to end well at all. I seen the Internet come in to being and now I am watching it die. What will be left will not be worth the name of Internet. We will have to invent a new word for it. It was fun while it lasted.

Well you know service providers always get around to it being all about them and thier stock holders. The net was diffrent in that the service providers really didnt make the net what it is today but the users did. Now they need to cash in and grab the balls.

I have to say that if I had to pay say 100$ a month for unlimited net the phone and cable would go net to maybe. Maybe they are just getting us ready for a large fee hike. Say like 50% or something. As it is between cell phone and cable/net they are getting anywhere from 3000$ to 5000$ a year out of the average household.

It will start with a large tax/service hike.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:12 AM

And finally, the last rule applies only to fixed broadband providers. It prohibits fixed wireline broadband providers from unreasonably discriminating against traffic on their network.

Hmm, I wonder what is unreasonable enough for the FCC when their chairmen are obviously being lobbied?

Genachowski went on to say that the new rules will be good for business, because they will help stimulate investment and jobs.

"We're adopting a framework that will increase certainty for businesses, investors, and entrepreneurs," he said. "We're taking an approach that will help foster a cycle of massive investment, innovation and consumer demand both at the edge and in the core of our broadband networks."

Oh you're damn right it'll be good for business and entrepreneurs, it'll be damn good for whatever ISP doesn't discriminate against traffic, because you can bet your sweet ass that's the ISP I'll be using.

On further note, as of the near future this legislation will only directly impact cellphone providers, namely Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T - obviously the data service portion.

Don't take this to far yet guys, this could result in a good thing. In example, it would most definitely provoke certain companies which would undoubtedly profit off the idea of neutrality, and we all know that everyone is going to drop any ISP that does this prioritization *snip* like a bad habit.

I foresee Sprint becoming a even more powerful company, they've got a good history of ripping apart monopolies(AT&T), and I doubt they'd hesitate to do it again, they also own some of the worlds largest fiber-optic backbones.

Glad I'm running with Boost Mobile, a subsidiary of Sprint


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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 06:15 AM
OMG! Is that picture real or just a concept? I can't believe this =l I am so *snip* angry right now, like you have no idea, I can't believe we're gonna have to be paying that much on top of what we have to pay the cable/phone company for Internet. This is gone too far, WTF is wrong with all of us letting them get away with this? Ugh I need to take a chill pill because I really am getting angry, but seriously people, are we just gonna stand there and let them take away the ONLY place left where there's "freedom of speech" or stand up for ourselves and fight this censorship? We either stand still or stand UP for ourselves. -Nuff said.


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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:46 AM
I disagree with the photo posted in the OP. You can bet that Google and Yahoo will be in that first/cheap category. They'll most definitely want you the find the websites that they're charging top dollar for. In fact, they'll probably give everybody the search engines for free. That's how marketing works.

It's very similar to how much of today's "scan-ware" works. The program is free, because they want you to run the scan. Once you detect the 251 problems, you have to pay to fix them. It's a pretty simple, yet shady concept. They'll give you Google because they want you to find what you're looking for, then they'll just charge you to see it.


posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 07:56 AM
Tiered internet services would never work.

They already have slow, intermediate and fast plans for internet.

Besides, many companies are ran by private corporations, if an ISP controlled what sites users could go to the corporations would SUE.

And then the hackers....omg the hackers....

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:10 AM
So how do we old dogs learn hacking? I can pick a lock, blow a bridge, and survive in the wild but I know nothing about computer code.

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:16 AM
well no matter there is nothing to stop open source and programmers making the exact same websites for free just so these companies will lose profit and have to close !

they can run and jump.

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