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"In Defense of Zecharia Sitchin" [by Lloyd Pye]

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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[The source for this is here - Mr. Pye has given permission openly to post this in its entirity]

Everything below this line is a direct copy/paste from the linked source.
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In Defense Of Zecharia Sitchin
by Lloyd Pye, Dec 2010

Zecharia Sitchin was an author famous for "The Earth Chronicles" series of books about the writings of the ancient Sumerians (circa 5,000 years ago) as he interpreted them. He was one of perhaps 200 people in the world, if that many, who could translate cuneiform, the symbolic language of the Sumerians. His work has been very influential on my own.

A Message From Lloyd Pye

Since the death of Zecharia Sitchin on Oct. 9, 2010, his critics have come out in droves on the internet to try to trash his work and his legacy. Because of my well-known regard for his work, which I heavily incorporated in Part IV of my book Everything You Know Is Wrong, several people have asked me to come to Zecharia's defense now that he can no longer do it himself in the vigorous way he was known for. With that said, here is my nutshell defense of his work against any and all criticisms. It is simple and it is true. Please feel free to share it with others on the internet, and/or use it to respond to any critic you care to address


MODERATOR EDIT: I'm sorry, SquirrelNutz, but even if the author gives permission to repost, ATS doesn't allow complete repostings of material here. Had to trim the rest of the message.
edit on 21-12-2010 by Byrd because: (no reason given)

edit on 12/21/2010 by SquirrelNutz because: Clarification, even after mod edit




posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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reply to post by SquirrelNutz
 

Looks like we're on the same brain-wave length!
But yeah, I respect Lloyd Pye for his Starchild analyses, and breakthroughs. His word gives credence to Sitchen in my eyes; but there is always the possibility we're being fraud-ed.. I doubt it though.
The man's dead, and all that remains is his work and Scryings. People will always try and tear down a dead man.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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reply to post by SquirrelNutz
 
Hiya Squirrel.


Early this year, I offered you a 'gentleman's wager' to wear an avatar chosen by the winner. The wager was that Pye would still be begging for cash and saying his 'results' were just around the corner at the end of the year.

You declined. Great decision, because here we are and Pye is still after money and wearing the latest colours of his persecution complex. Your new avatar is ready and waiting if you want to extend the bet until say July?.


Hmmm, wonder why Pye doesn't bite the bullet and just join up so he can argue his case here? We've seen sock-puppet accounts appear in Pye threads and it's likely he's reading the threads. If he does, he should know that Mods frown on ALL CAPS POSTS. Maybe 'Banes' will show up again? lol

To avoid being off-topic...Pye's exploiting Sitchen to further his pitiful defence that science is a conspiracy geared against him. The last refuge of the pseudo-scientist is pleading persecution. He could be wearing a Santa outfit and holding a cup outside of Wal-Mart as we speak...I hope he's wrapped up warm...'hominoids' don't like the cold.

Nothing against you SN, I just don't take Pye seriously. He's out there with Greer imo.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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In Pye's defense, he's stated repeatedly that if funding was his only concern he could whore out that skull like a red-light stroller; but he is concerned with PROPER documentation and empirical evidence, all under his supervision.

I don't blame him. He potentially has the ET "smoking gun" when it comes to genetic manipulation and/or existence. EDIT: I also don't blame you for your stance, but only time will tell, eh?


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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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You are correct, sir. Let's see it.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Mmm... Kandinsky, can I ask you have you ever seen a full video on the Starchild Skull? This should be the "latest" (gonna watch it right meow.); there was a really good lecture he gave back in '08?(sic) and honestly I couldn't pick up on much deception. He seems like he just wants to get to the bottom of it, and honestly can you really discount his tales of rebuke by the scientific community?

"rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby rock the boat, don't tip the boat over rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby rock the boat-t-t-t-t"


EDIT: Oh yeah.. this vid was recorded (I'm assuming Pye hired them for a professional look?) by New Paradigm Films same guys that put out that middle of the road (quality) "Day Before Disclosure" video a while back.
edit on 21-12-2010 by igigi because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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reply to post by igigi
 
There was a recent Pye thread with an interview that you'd likely enjoy...here it is. He doesn't come across as the unhinged madman we see when people post copies of his emails.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz
 
Now, now Squirrel. It's not a horrible avatar, but viewing it is subject to you accepting wager. Was it two weeks or a month? It's just a bit of fun, nothing extreme.


ETA: @igigi Yeah that one



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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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I'll give it a look over! At a glance from the linked thread you provided, I think you forget that the "2010 results" were allegedly from a newer, more accurate, DNA recovery technique.

He also said that it was concluded that the skull's mDNA was human (female obviously, and not the woman that was allegedly found with the Starchild (..allegedly
)) but another, unknown to the NIH database, was found to be perhaps the "father".

You forget that if this thing gets sequenced out, it's potentially compressed-cesium strength, "i'mma cut your reality diamond," information: undeniable evidence that we have been visited in the past by something that did not evovle on this world... and genetic manipulation occurred.

EDIT: Admittedly, my interest in the Starchild and Pye subject is just in ^that^; the prospect of tangible evidence to say "here: here is your damned evidence" to everyone. Like my family, I got into the subject with my family over Thanksgiving.. and I'm sure they think I'm Clinical
But there comes a point where evidence overshadows skepticism.
edit on 21-12-2010 by igigi because: blarg.


Edit..it.: To the point: Lloyd Pye's credibility speaks directly to Sitchen, in the light of Pye's apparent defense; and clearly there is a reasonable amount of doubt there.
edit on 21-12-2010 by igigi because: moar.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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I use to question Sitchin but the longer i contemplated what he was saying the more it made total sense, although not all of what he was saying was added to my belief system, i think he was on the right track none the less.

he definitely is an inspiration and more people should really contemplate what truths could be gathered out of his life long passion, and not focus on negatives that stunt our quest for truth and knowledge.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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Yeah, I tend to cherry-pick Sitchen as well, simply because perhaps his understanding of ancient Sumerian written language is suspect. Then again his theory hinges on translation; to which he argues "NO! it is mainstream that is wrong!"

Buy, yes.. I think he was on a damn good track, but perhaps he influenced his research too much in certain areas. ya know?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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everyone loves a good story



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:26 PM
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Instead of asking for more money all the time, he could put his money where his mouth is and stop hedging.

In the interview he comes across well, but is only questioned at one point. Other than that, it's just Pye chatting and providing his own slides.

By 'coming across well,' I don't mean credible or even honest, he comes across as kinda normal and rational. That's a step up from the impression he left with his 'science is wrong' BS and YT presentations in front of small collections of old folk in retirement homes. Chances are he's just a great guy with his friends.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:26 AM
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Clearly you're not the kind of person that's comfortable with physical evidence; you're left with just tearing the man down.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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What evidence? Pye's evidence is cherry-picked. He set out with the belief that the SC is alien and has refused to accept every single explanation that doesn't support his idea. 20 years later and there's very little point discussing evidence with a guy like Pye.

His latest interview (saved on my hard drive) is the same old horse crap. Hearsay accounts of unnamed people conducting tests in unnamed laboratories. If he wants to overturn history and science as we know it...he'll have to do better than that. lol

In the past few years, he repeatedly appears with 'smoking gun' evidence 'just around the corner.' Always a few bucks short. Always criticising science and always with more excuses. There are two reasons why I never miss posting on an ATS Lloyd Pye thread...

1- He's a snake-oil salesman and people should have access to that knowledge.
2- He reads these threads and it drives him nuts enough to post under assumed names or have others do so for him.

Y'all take care now.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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Off-topic, not really sure where to puts this, mods can delete if they wish, but here goes :

I keep seeing a bunch of anti-Greer comments...all i really now is snippets I've heard on Coast to Coast and various bits on Project
isclosure. (I have the PDF, haven't gotten around to reading it yet, sucker is LONG). Could someone point me the direction of why? U2U if need be...thanks.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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I gotta say Greer is in the same category as Pye in terms of a willingness to be dishonest. The difference is that Greer is about as dishonest as it's possible to be. Very few people who've come into contact with him have not been negatively effected.

He's a liar and he wants your money. If you search Steven Greer in the ATS search, I'm sure you'll get a broader view of him. Although I detest his activities, a lot of people feel very differently so it's best to hear the other sides too.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
His latest interview (saved on my hard drive) is the same old horse crap. Hearsay accounts of unnamed people conducting tests in unnamed laboratories. If he wants to overturn history and science as we know it...he'll have to do better than that. lol


From starchildproject.com

In 1999 the Starchild Skull was tested by the BOLD forensic teaching lab in Canada
- BOLD (www.boldlab.org...)
- Forensic lab found 'rogue' DNA on victims' teeth

In 2003 the Starchild Project was able to arrange another DNA test, this time by Trace Genetics, the ancient DNA lab that had tested the Kennewick Man.
- www.dnaancestryproject.com...

I cannot (from the official website) easily find the 2010 lab name... but I think 2 out of 3 "unnamed people conducting tests in unnamed laboratories" being named is good enough for the moment.

Tests cost money, and tests also cost a lab their reputation. You take X bone to Y lab and they have a devil of a time retrieving DNA from the bone; are they going to tell you your money is gone and our answer is "we don't know"? Or are you going to get the half answer of "it's human, go away".

Research some DNA recovery and testing. It's still a budding science and new techniques for retrieving older and older DNA are coming more available through different labs.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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reply to post by igigi
 
You misunderstand me. We've been through all of his stuff before on ATS.

The claims he makes in the latest video are new claims. It is these that are unnamed people doing unknown tests in unnamed laboratories. The only evidence we have that any of that is true is his word and those power point slides.

In essence, he's come out with new claims and no actual evidence to discuss.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by igigi
 
You misunderstand me. We've been through all of his stuff before on ATS.

The claims he makes in the latest video are new claims. It is these that are unnamed people doing unknown tests in unnamed laboratories. The only evidence we have that any of that is true is his word and those power point slides.

In essence, he's come out with new claims and no actual evidence to discuss.



Location of the lab/people who did the test withstanding, what's the matter with the evidence presented on Pye's starchild page for 2010?

NIH Basic Logical Alignment Search Tool (BLAST) report on the Starchild Skull's Nuclear DNA, two sequences of DNA were found. 265 base pairs (matches with a gene on human chromosome 1) and 342 base pairs ("No significant similarity found" ; could not be correlated with any know sequenced DNA combination recorded at the NIH.) were recovered.

Then again, short of owning the skull yourself and running all the tests... yourself.. one can always call "BS" on something. Being completely close minded does not make you a skeptic, it makes your sound like you're screaming "the Earth is flat!"
edit on 22-12-2010 by igigi because: Antikythera mechanism



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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I thought this thread about Sitchin?
we already know that aliens like playing with our DNA....get over it



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