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What is YOUR opinion on Wikileaks?

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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I'm just interested in what the people on ATS think of Wikileaks.

Personally, I approve of Wikileaks and I think that we need more legitimate organizations like it. In the era in which journalism has become more of a distorted opinion meant to change the perspective of people, Wikileaks is exposing corruption on a massive scale. News organizations today are for profit meaning that their perspective can be purchased, while on the other hand Wikileaks is a non-profit organization and they don't publish opinions or biased perspectives, they just publish what is given to them. THE BEST INFORMATION IS ALWAYS FREE.

I think the best point to be made about Wikileaks is that the mediums in which information is bestowed to the public affects public opinion and thus what government we have. If you have MSM (like we do in the States) that simply publish the same thing that other organizations do but with their own opinion then you are manipulating public opinion and what type of government is elected. On the other hand, if news organizations have the goal of exposing corruption on a daily basis instead of lying in bed with the corrupted then a more transparent gov't will be in place. The gov't wouldn't be able to be corrupted if they knew that every media organization was on their arse looking to expose any sign of corruption. Unfortunately that is not the case and news organizations tend to omit those facts.

For those interested An Essay on Political Revolution and Cultural Renassiance
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Said it once, I'll say it a thousand times - WikiLeaks is probably the single greatest thing to happen to Free Speech since the Bill of Rights. It's doing exactly what it needs to - release timely information and make TPTB pretty irate.
Yeah, Assange can be a complete prick. Yes, much of it is unfavorable to America. But at least he's putting info out there in the hands of the people. And, for that, friends, I can forgive much.

Just my two cents.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by elfulanozutan0
I'm just interested in what the people on ATS think of Wikileaks.

Personally, I approve of Wikileaks and I think that we need more legitimate organizations like it. In the era in which journalism has become more of a distorted opinion meant to change the perspective of people, Wikileaks is exposing corruption on a massive scale. News organizations today are for profit meaning that their perspective can be purchased, while on the other hand Wikileaks is a non-profit organization and they don't publish opinions or biased perspectives, they just publish what is given to them. THE BEST INFORMATION IS ALWAYS FREE.

I think the best point to be made about Wikileaks is that the mediums in which information is bestowed to the public affects public opinion and thus what government we have. If you have MSM (like we do in the States) that simply publish the same thing that other organizations do but with their own opinion then you are manipulating public opinion and what type of government is elected. On the other hand, if news organizations have the goal of exposing corruption on a daily basis instead of lying in bed with the corrupted then a more transparent gov't will be in place. The gov't wouldn't be able to be corrupted if they knew that every media organization was on their arse looking to expose any sign of corruption. Unfortunately that is not the case and news organizations tend to omit those facts.

For those interested An Essay on Political Revolution and Cultural Renassiance
edit on 21-12-2010 by elfulanozutan0 because: Grammatical Error


Wikileaks:

All intelligence is good intelligence in need of a pinch of salt.

All intelligence is good intelligence. You just need to discern what part is a lie. And ask why it 'leaked' out.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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You're correct on that. When I read through the cables I just look at certain subjects, not all of the documents there expose corruption but a lot of them do. Like on 12/19, they released around 8 cables showing the U.S. lobbying foreign countries to accept GMOs made in America by Monsanto. Something is up with that. Plus using ambassadors for espionage, not quite diplomatic.

Bump to keep it going, I want a few more opinions.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Wikileaks is a psyop operation... To bring in net censorship laws.

Assange only cares about holding innocent people hostage with dealing in stolen information.

I think he is a tech terrorist.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by elfulanozutan0
reply to post by Emptiness Dancing
 


You're correct on that. When I read through the cables I just look at certain subjects, not all of the documents there expose corruption but a lot of them do. Like on 12/19, they released around 8 cables showing the U.S. lobbying foreign countries to accept GMOs made in America by Monsanto. Something is up with that. Plus using ambassadors for espionage, not quite diplomatic.

Bump to keep it going, I want a few more opinions.


Not just that. It has been exposed that they hiked food prices in Europe to force people into accepting GMO foods.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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"Well, obviously
This is a globalist psy-ops plot
Designed to keep us in the dark....

They're coming in your windows,
They're snatching your income tax
Trying to enslave you, so you need to
hide your kids, Hide your wives
Buy a gun, buy a knife
Watch my show, buy your gold
and buy your silver too
Cos they're slaving errrbody out here
We don't have to look for no facts
We know this is true
they gon chip you
they gon tag you
but we can run and yell that
run and yell that, New World Order
New World Order!"



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I will always respect that...

But I have to ask, what led you to draw that conclusion?




posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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cinic.. quoting joe biden is beneath even you.

I think Wikileaks are honestly dishing out whatever they can in hopes to out corruption. I think that net censorship was coming anyway, so I'm glad WL is around to make force them to attempt to institute it publicly while all eyes are open on the subject rather than the government instituting net censorship very quietly as they eventually would have had WL not existed.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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Wikileaks is only the beginning regarding the awakening of a lot of people. Julian Assange may have fallen in a trap, history will tell. But the main question is: Is it good? Of course it is. Even if Julian is victim of a conspiracy, at least, some of the information is coming out.
Others will follow in his footsteps and that too is a good thing. Unfortunately, this may result in severe repercussions regarding internet freedom. We may see a global corporate takeover and if that happens, we can forget about freedom of expression on the web, specially with forums like this one, facebook, twitter, blogs, etc...
But i know one thing for sure, they can't pull the blinds over our eyes for many of us anymore, for to many of us are waking up to the reality of the agenda(s) at hand. The light will prevail!!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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I think I have already posted my thoughts
on wikileaks. And if you have not read
it then click the link in my sig.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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My opinion on Wikileaks?

We cannot trust a person who has all the important precious knowledge and choose when and how to make some of these things public and some of these kept under " coming soon "...
He clearly has a agenda, and of course, it - appears - to bring something good and positive for us but in reality it will cause something ugly...Yes, something ugly is on the way to happen if more of these leaks go out...

People should understand that supporting Assange brings consequences...Assange is creating more and more enemies...He believes he's smart, he has done the " smack " of the century but soon all of wikileaks stuff will start to bring damage to --- him ---.

Yes, politicians may have ugly, bad, even evil ideas and thoughts...We all know this and who...

There is a astrological definition for his behavior: being a Eris...Bringing trouble on the table, with a precise agenda...
You may think he is " with us " and is working " for us " but when some serious war will occur, if/ when the internet freedom will be seriously compromised you will understand that all of his " work " with wikileaks has to do with Assange's plans and personal future and ambitions, not the world's future...
The world's future is in significant danger, just because of wikileaks.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:36 PM
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See.. boondock and cinic. You guys are being overly paranoid. The possibility that they are CIA or a hand of the NWO depends on a lot of big ifs.
For example, first the NWO has to exist for that to be a possibility. The CIA I highly doubt, because there has to be a million better plans to secure control of the net than ruining world wide relations.

Will there ever be something that people like you guys wont label as a conspiracy just because it's the road less traveled? Would anything ever get done if everyone was like you guys and said "nah, its a trick, no sense in trying?"
They are releasing information, they are doing what they can. The CIA wouldn't take the risk that this would incite other people beyond their control to try to do the same thing. One thing you can bet on, if they are as nefarious as you guys suggest, they will never give the people a hero like this.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:37 PM
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Better coming soon than never.
They will release everything they can, they are releasing it this way for good reason.
They release it slower, it stays in the news longer. The keep song insurance to keep themselves safe until more or better insurance comes a long then they release what they had (the cables they are releasing now were originally part of the insurance).



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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I've seen that thread, and I congratulate you on the effort you put into it. However, the research you offered in that thread really didn't prove Wikileaks to be a NWO Psy-Ops plot as you hypothesized.

Wikileaks showed mega-corruption in the U.S. Military with Collateral Murder. The War Logs showed that the U.S. lied about death tolls, but I couldn't decipher too much of those logs as they were written for people who can easily read military intelligence.

However the Cablegate is showing massive amounts of corruption on such a broad spectrum by the U.S. so how would the NWO want that to happen? Plus not even 2,000/250,000 have been released yet.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
See.. boondock and cinic. You guys are being overly paranoid. The possibility that they are CIA or a hand of the NWO depends on a lot of big ifs.
For example, first the NWO has to exist for that to be a possibility. The CIA I highly doubt, because there has to be a million better plans to secure control of the net than ruining world wide relations.

me paranoid huh??
maybe u better check the news.
Internet censorship bill just passed.
Say goodbye to the web.
thanks wikileaks and soros and all
the clandestine agencies involved.
Mission accomplished.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by elfulanozutan0
However the Cablegate is showing massive amounts of corruption on such a broad spectrum by the U.S. so how would the NWO want that to happen? Plus not even 2,000/250,000 have been released yet.

and u won't get to see them all.
the web censorship bill just passed.
say goodbye to the wikileaks cables.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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I'm not sure about it...If some news is really - big - and - significant it will stay longer on news channels and msm, and for this reason it doesn't matter how slowly that kind of news is released...
If you wait too much, you are showing insecurity. Waiting creates suspect...

Of course, maybe they wait a while because they want people to grow some suspence...What's better, creating a show of expectancy or being fast and direct?
Wikileaks seems like a show- off/business of some kind and Assange a man who loves his own ego...
Maybe my opinion is premature at this point but as soon as I read some of the leaks I realized this is going to be a challenge for politicians not to end up fighting each other...
In Italy one could say " Ha acceso la miccia " soon will all blow up.
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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My question to those who dont like the way Assange has released this information is , How would you have done it? How would you release those documents to the mainstream media? The point is to get the Leaks out to credible sources and to as many people as possible.

I also dont like being termed a Cheer leader for Assange just because I believe what he has done is a good thing. He is only doing what journalists should have been doing for years. Instead Journalists just report the government line, so we never get to hear whats going on.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Web Censorship Bill? Uhmm... FTW, I don't agree with the bill, but it doesn't entail Wikileaks.

That bill involves the right to shut down websites that contain copyrighted material. Wikileaks doesn't publish copyrighted material. Gov't documents aren't copyrighted.

The bill is aimed at stopping Piracy such as movies, music, television, etc. It doesn't entail anything having to do with whistleblower websites.

Oh and the cables being gone. You forgot to mention the fact that Wikileaks has THOUSANDS of Mirror Sites. The bill doesn't give the U.S. the right to shutdown websites outside of the U.S. That is not in their jurisdiction. Plus Wikileaks isn't even served in the U.S. It's in Switzerland.
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