reply to post by Titen-Sxull
I care deeply about this subject for it has caused much disruption in the body of Christ. Some say it does not matter whether you believe in a
pre-trib rapture or not and it's senseless to quarrel over such things. I do not wish to quarrel, but I do believe rightly dividing the word is
important. One's eternal salvation may be at stake if these are the end of days and you are faced with believing a lie of the highest magnitude.
It is my firm belief that the pre-trib rapture is a false teaching. It sounds good and thus people want to believe in it, but that is not how I read
my bible in keeping with Greek grammar rules. The rapture teaching did not even begin until 1830 when a woman named Margaret McDonald had a vision
which she herself said felt evil. She was in a trance and shared the "any moment" idea of a "rapture" teaching, and two pastors who were there
ran with it, and thus we had this new take on the end times. You can research this event. Look up Dave MacPherson and his writing on the
"cover-up". check out www.truthkeepers.com...
In Thessalonians one has to keep the subject and verb together. One cannot make a verb apply to whatever one wants, but must keep in context with the
subject at hand. Paul had to follow up his first letter to them because they got very confused. So, he writes to them and clarifies what he meant.
I will comment in [ ].
2 Thessalonians 2:
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at
[ Here Paul directly addresses them about not being upset about this idea of gathering unto Jesus. Don't be worried by any spirit, word, or letter
(think Paul's first letter that got them so upset) that the day of Christ is at hand. He then says....]
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son
[The day of the gathering shall NOT come until the son of perdition (Satan) is revealed! No pre-trib /any moment rapture]
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing
himself that he is God.
[Satan/anti-Christ/deceiver/Apolyon will come and he will seat himself in the temple of God and be worshipped as God. There is not doubt who Paul is
talking about here. The subject is Satan's coming and being worshipped as God.]
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[Paul is aghast that they have been confused and are troubled since when he was there he plainly spoke of these things with them.]
Paul goes on to say:
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[withholdeth is a transitive verb that must refer back to the subject just before, and that subject is Satan coming and being worshipped. In
Revelation, we know that it is Michael who is holding back Satan until the proper time.]
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[Again, the verbs must stay with the subject and that is Satan and who is holding him back at this time. It has nothing to do with rapture or some
any moment doctrine begun in 1830.]
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[Many well meaning Christians will be deceived and perish for worshipping the Anti-Christ whom they believe to be Jesus Christ. There will be
miracles, signs and wonders, and they will be deceived.]
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
[Many believe they are following truth because it is what their well meaning pastors and teachers have taught them. They have great pride in being
close to God, speaking in tongues, and being one of the chosen. They take great pleasure in their worship, but whom will they be worshipping when
such a master of deceit is let loose? What will they say when the true Messiah comes?
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[Maybe he was warning those who profess to love him and believe in him not to be fooled, for helping the worst one of iniquity in that final hour.
They are deceived in their minds and work with their hands for him. That will be the mark of the beast upon them. Granted, many throughout the ages
have said they were doing X for the Lord, and it was wrong. But in keeping with Paul's warning in 2 Thessalonians, it is prudent to know what's
coming. Satan comes first, is worshipped as God by the entire world, and only a very few will refuse to do so. The last trumpet shall sound, and we
shall know the truth in the Day of the Lord.]