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Orion Belt Anomalies

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by orangutang



this prophecy about orion by johan friede, an austrian monk of 750 years ago, may interest you. it concerns betelguese, which scientists now say has shrunk about 15% over recent decades.

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17. Johann Friede ~ According to a vision received by Johann Friede (1204-1257), an Austrian monk of the Order of St. John, several extraordinary phenomena will give warning that the present order of civilization is about to end: "When the great time will come, in which mankind will face its last, hard trial, it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature; the alteration between cold and heat will become more intensive, storms will have more catastrophic effects, earthquakes will destroy greater regions and the seas will overflow many lowlands. Not all of it will be the result of natural causes, but man will penetrate into the bowels of the earth and will reach into the clouds, gambling with its own existence. Before the powers of destruction will succeed in their design, the universe will be thrown into disorder, and the age of iron will plunge into nothingness. When the nights will be filled with more intensive cold and the day with heat, a new life will begin in nature. The heat means radiation from the earth, the cold the waning light of the sun. Only a few more years and you will become aware that sunlight has become perceptibly weaker. When even your artificial light will cease to give service, the great event of the firmament will be near. "The nebula of the Greater Bear will arrive in the vicinity of earth... and will fill the space of five hundred suns at the horizon. It will more and more cover up the light of the sun until the days will be like nights at full moon. The illumination will not come from the moon, but from Orion, which constellation, by the light of Jupiter, will send forth its rays on the Greater Bear and will dissolve its nebula with the force of light. "By this time mankind will be stricken with terror. Birds will be like reptiles and will not use their wings. Animals of the ground, in fear and alarm, will raise such a clamor that it will make human hearts tremble. Men will flee their abodes in order not to see the weird occurrence. Finally, complete darkness will set in and last for three days and three nights. "During this time, men, deprived of the power of light, will fall into a slumber-like sleep from which many will not awaken, especially those who have no spark of spiritual life. When the sun will again rise and emerge, earth will be covered with a blanket of ashes like snow in winter, except that the ashes will have the color of sulfur. Damp fog will ascend from the ground, illuminated by igneous gases. "Of mankind there will be more dead than there have been casualties in all wars. In the abodes of the children of light, the Book of Revelations will be read, and in the palaces of the Church they will await the arrival of the great comet. On the seventh day after the return of light, earth will have absorbed the ashes and formed such fertility as has not been experienced ever before. But Orion will cast its ray on the earth and show a path toward the last resting place of the greatest and most eminent man who had ever lived on the EARTH."

also the 3 egyptian pyramids are thought to be placed the same line as stars in orion.



That was a bit macabre yet interesting. How did someone from the 1200's know about Jupiter (let alone Orion) though?
Plus, not quite understanding the 500 suns on the horizon and yet....still there will be darkness. Doesn't make sense to me.

Thanks for sharing (and making me scratch my head too)

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posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by rubyrudd123
this is my first post... all i wanna say is i like reading all posts no matter how fantastical just so i can add them all up and come up with what i think is right!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for making this your virgin thread



And you're going about it perfectly.
Read, siphon, research and come up with what feels right to you.

Personally, here's my take on things of this nature (not saying this IS something extraordinary however but). I think we all know the truth. It's deep within our DNA but for reasons unknown to us now, we have forgotten (and that's a thread of it's own with a plethora of theories).

So I really think, when something rings true with you, no matter how far fetch it may initially sound and despite the less-than-positive opinions out there then.....go with it. Because for some mysterious reason it's your truth. And right now at this juncture of time, we are not agreeing let alone adhering to one truth (just look at religion) so this topic (of extraterrestrial) will never have everyone aboard the same ship. No pun intended.

So.....whatever seems right for you....own it.

Nice to make your acquaintance so...pull up a pad and welcome to our cell!



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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Wow. Nicely executed! You stated your opinion in a VERY cohesive and diplomatic manner and that is such a treat to read (especially when I agree with it too
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Thanks for sharing and once again, I couldn't agree withcha more!



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
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Whose saying this is proof of anything??? In fact the only ones spewing out that word 'proof' are the ones claiming this is nothing but a glitch.


I never made mention of the word proof. I said that using these images as a genuine resource for personal research was ill-advised.


I never said we captured absolute proof of some covert space activity (although I do believe that is happening out there nonetheless)


And nobody said you were.


We can keep this ping-pong debate going forever, but if what your side is saying (that this is definitely, not 'maybe', nothing but some sort of software anomaly) then....prove it! Any conviction needs to be backed up with proof.


I never said it was a software anomaly. It is quite clearly a photographic error from the original images themselves. They were scanned and assembled as-is. Though, with .jpegs (ANY jpegs) once they are enlarged to extreme sizes you will get what are called jpg compression artifacts. Basically, it is the limit of resolution of the image where rectilinear colored pixels fill in the places where a much higher resolution of a image would show further detail.

Google Sky is a mosaic of images compiled from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, the Digitized Sky Survey and the Hubble Space Telescope, and as you zoom in these sources vary. There are even some images in infrared format from the Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) and microwave images from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP.)

It is downright notorious for image errors! For example, those stitched-together image patterns are obviously an artifacts of the way that the DSS Consortium images are put together to form a celestial sphere out of flat Sky images.

And then there are:

Internal Telescopic Reflections - I've found dozens of these, ranging from huge internal reflections near the brightest stars in the sky, to much smaller ones scattered around. The hardware in the inside of the telescope (the "spider" which holds the secondary mirror) is a dead giveaway. Here's an example: Image A

Line segments - HUNDREDS of these! The DSS Consortium imagery, and the SDSS imagery are both based on Palomar Observatory Sky Survey and U.K. Schmidt data, which is typically (at least) three separate pictures taken of the same place in the sky using Blue, Green, and Red filters.

Most of the line segments are artifacts from aircraft, satellites, or meteorites, passing between the telescope and the area being imaged. There are indicators which can provide a hint as to which is which, for example, short-lived meteorites may show pointy ends with a brighter middle. Satellites frequently tumble with a regular period, and can show dashed lines. Airplanes will usually show the most solid, uniform line width, but can occasionally show slight wobbles from turbulence in the air. Image B

And our main culprit in this thread - OVEREXPOSURES. In the SDSS imagery (which covers about a third of the Northern Celestial Hemisphere,) there are so many stars which are overexposed that one can't even count them. You can see "rays" extending out from the stars etc. But there is nothing in the sky, no actual, physical object, associated with those "rays"; they are a simple overexposures. Here are some more examples: Image 1 Image 2


While you're at it, I am particularly interested in the second software 'glitch" myself!


It's an error caused by smudges and scratches on the photographic plate itself. There are also emulsion errors present. Here's a pretty cool looking one caused by a scratch: Plate Errors

I really can't find anything throughout this thread that is unusual or anomalous for Google Sky. There just isn't anything here...



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
So this Google image and enlargement is not proof of M31?

Of course these images are proof. We know what these objects are.


Of course it is.

However, that emulsion error from the image in question is hardly proof of some of the bizarre things I've heard it called thus far.

We know what a galaxy looks like, for crying out loud. And we also know what a photographic error looks like. (Well, most of us.)


We're also asking "What are these odd things we've found."
You would like to attribute everything that can't easily be dismissed as an "artifact" of the photographic process, dust on the lens and the like.


But that's precisely what we are looking at. There are fundamental flaws in the images as you can see above.

I'm not too sure why anyone who knows how these satellites work would somehow believe that dust could form on them in the vacuum of space, however. And I am pretty certain that nobody has tried to explain the errors as dust.


We'd be interested to know how you know, without a doubt that everything out there that can't be readily identified is in fact an artifact of the process.


Did I mention that I knew without a doubt that "everything out there can be readily identified?" If so, where? That's a pretty absurd claim for anyone to make, and I certainly haven't.

The objects shown in this thread so far are all readily explained by prosaic means, however. Does anyone have any images to share that can't be explained? If so, I'd love to see them.


The answer, in my opinion, is obvious. You don't have a definitive answer and are biased in some way going into the argument.


I certainly have a definitive answer on all of the presented "anomalies" in this thread, so-far. I have also plainly provided those answers.

Furthermore, nobody has any way of safely assuming the bias of any other poster (or even if there is one) based on a couple of posts. And that's what it is - an assumption that I have some sort of personal agenda against anything that supports the ETH. That simply isn't so.


Get a grip.
The universe is a big place.
We don't have a monopoly on knowledge.
Do you?


...now this is just getting silly.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:42 PM
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Your position is duly noted and I apologize for perhaps reading too much into it.

For me, I still don't know what it is. I understand Google Sky is notorious for (lack of a better word) glitches. But that doesn't mean that at no time can or will it ever capture a true natural (opposed to digital) anomaly.
I think the fact that this was found near such a mysterious star cluster to begin with, amplified the probability if it being something special.

I know Orion has a hidden connection to Earth especially to ancient star worshipers. So to see something near that star that might help to explain their reverence, is very interesting regardless of its explanation at this time..



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Definitely break out that old telescope. It would be the best course of action to scan the skies for things that may or may not be normal to see there.

There are also newer models with the ability to capture video with built-in digital recorders. Once you have it saved or recorded, nobody can say that you didn't see what you really did. You'll have evidence that would be very hard to refute.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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Can you recommend a good telescope for under $2000 US. I have a cheapo Galaxsee that I bought at a consignment store 5 years ago. Must to upgrade.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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what came to mind when i read friede's remarks were the passages in the bible which speak of "the heavens being rolled up like a scroll"(new testament somewhere). imagine a flat page being rolled up. point A is some distance from point B before rolling. after rolling A is next door to B, even touching it. this should be easy for a holographic universe.
but i'm going to wonder if someone put something in my coffee. if i don't pass out. lol.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by orangutang
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what came to mind when i read friede's remarks were the passages in the bible which speak of "the heavens being rolled up like a scroll"(new testament somewhere). imagine a flat page being rolled up. point A is some distance from point B before rolling. after rolling A is next door to B, even touching it. this should be easy for a holographic universe.
but i'm going to wonder if someone put something in my coffee. if i don't pass out. lol.


It's in Revelation.
It also sounds like "moving without travelling" (Dune), or opening a wormhole. The old Einstein Rosen Bridge in action. A stargate, if you will.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 08:14 AM
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I don't mean to go off topic so I apologize for stealing OPs thunder for a moment but not to score points or sound like I am above anyone else but, I am an experiencer.Not by choice but more likely, by plan.

If you are too then, you'll know what I am talking about. It is a difficult journey dealing with all the inner battles when trying to come to terms with the REAL reality of it all. For me it's been nearly 15 years of grasping the situation and I am not even half way through it all.

So, it matters nothing at all if people believe or not. That's not our mission. We are not here, on Earth, at this time....to prove anything to anyone. Let science deal with that ideology.

Personally. I've come to realize we're all on different time slots. We are all evolving at different speeds. We all awaken at different intervals if at all. So all I can, want and need to do at this time, is share.
If it resonates within then, great. If it doesn't, then.......it just wasn't meant to spark (awaken) something deep within you.

This is not to say I wouldn't LOVE the opportunity to capture something tangible and share it with the world but, that is simply not the plan. Not now anyway because if it were then, it would've happened by now.

There is a divine Universal plan and purpose so we must all, trust the process at this time and just keep an open mind. It's like opening up your chakras. Just allow things to flow through you. All you read (like this thread) is designed for a reason and stored within you and will fire (like a spark plug) at the right time.
We will awaken at the appropriate time and not a moment sooner.


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posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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I'm sorry I haven't had the chance to plow through the entire thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned. Regular amateur astronomers are noticing anamolies in Orion. Astronomy Magazine Thread the thread interested me as I had seen something anomalous in that direction.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 05:53 PM
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Very interesting especially seeing this was reported only a few weeks ago. Thanks for sharing that on this thread



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by rubyrudd123
this is my first post... all i wanna say is i like reading all posts no matter how fantastical just so i can add them all up and come up with what i think is right!!!!!!!!!!!


Welcome from me as well ruby. Your approach is Fortean in nature... and that is a Good Thing. I am in complete agreement with Human_Alien when she said...


Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by rubyrudd123

And you're going about it perfectly.
Read, siphon, research and come up with what feels right to you.


I will give you a few quotes from Charles Fort, the unsung genius who was, for the modern era, the father of all we study here at ATS...

“[Forteans] are not realists. We are not idealists. We are intermediatists — that nothing is real, but that nothing is unreal,” [...] “All phenomena are approximations one way or the other between realness and unrealness. Our whole quasi-existence is an intermediate stage... like purgatory, I think.”

"[Wise men] have tried to understand our state of being, by grasping at its stars, or its arts, or its economics. But, if there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere."

"We cannot define. Nothing has ever been finally figured out, because there is nothing final to figure out"

"But some of us have been educated by surprises out of much that we were 'absolutely sure' of..."
— Charles Fort

Don't give up the search!

As for our line here...

After a long attempt to find it such, I do not see any indications at all that would indicate that this is the result of stitching by Google mechanisms or, for that matter, that it might be some sort of weird time lapse event as offered in some posts above.

Since the sensor is on for however long it takes to resolve the faintest objects shown, the "disc" object would hardly render as discretely spaced objects... unless it had a remarkably slow rotation period, unlikely for the distance covered in the image, but possible I suppose. One would also think that if it were such it wouldn't just 'start and stop' abruptly, but continue through the frame on both ends.

It may be just that, but I've a strong inkling it is not... the other 'vertical' line is also fascinating and definitely has structure to it, even as it peters out at the ends... very strange. I'll not speculate on what they are...

I think this is a fascinating find. For this observer, it remains anomalous.

Peace,
Pixel



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Just to throw a cat among the pigeons:
home.exetel.com.au...
To zoom in, click on the bright patch near the centre of the image (CTRL+click to zoom out). Then click on the brown area in the bottom south-east of the bright patch. Just above the top of this brown area, you will see a short black line. Click several times on it and you will see a dark, cylinder-shaped object with unnaturally straight edges. Part of it seems to be reflecting the light from the surrounding nebula as though it were metallic. It does not look to me like a dark gap in the surrounding bright clouds of hot gas.

A cigar-shaped starship?



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Vimana I tells ya!



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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interesting observation.... it dosnt appear to be a defect in the image



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by micpsi
Just to throw a cat among the pigeons:
home.exetel.com.au...
To zoom in, click on the bright patch near the centre of the image (CTRL+click to zoom out). Then click on the brown area in the bottom south-east of the bright patch. Just above the top of this brown area, you will see a short black line. Click several times on it and you will see a dark, cylinder-shaped object with unnaturally straight edges. Part of it seems to be reflecting the light from the surrounding nebula as though it were metallic. It does not look to me like a dark gap in the surrounding bright clouds of hot gas.

A cigar-shaped starship?





posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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the image real interesting, but for sure we will never find out what it is...



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 04:16 PM
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could it be the black knight satellite?

lol replying after 3 years




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