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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Are we robots? Are we not able to differentiate between scenarios? Why can't we look at each case specifically?

Pedophiles are broken. Period!

I have had this conversation on ATS before.. We should be able to bend/create clauses in laws to target child predators.

I know I will take a hit for this... I am going through explore process of having all 3 of my kids "chipped" It would be through a private company with no connection to Govt... I want to have every last option available if some f'ing creep decides to take what he has learned from this book and implement it . I have a friend that had his daughter kidnapped at 4 yrs old.. She would be 8 now.. He has not had a good night sleep in 4 years. He lost his job.. He feels that he needs to be searching 24/7.. If he isn't, he feels he is letting her down.




posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Many times law enforcement go for the "lesser" charge...

While collecting evidence for the *real* charges...

Just saying, it is unusual for Florida to go after someone in Colorado for a simple charge like "obscenity."



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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As much as I think this guy is a scum bag and should have his nuts cut off, he's free to write about whatever he wants. To me, it's no different than someone writing about making bombs or hacking. Now if his book contains child porn images and he's actually breaking a law, then that's different. Freedom of speech is a double edged sword folks.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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So these people are incapable of doing police work? You want to be held on ridiculous trumped up "lesser charges" while government authorities go through your life trying to find something to nail you on?


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Boo-hoo. None of that has anything to do this with matter. It's just you confusing the issue with emotional non-importance. I was molested as a kid too. I'm not willing to subvert the freedom of speech because of it.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Conspiracy to commit pedophilia. Conspiracy to encourage others to commit pedophilia.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by sonjah1
reply to post by JoeMaine
 


Many times law enforcement go for the "lesser" charge...

While collecting evidence for the *real* charges...

Just saying, it is unusual for Florida to go after someone in Colorado for a simple charge like "obscenity."


Coincidence....i think not !

Deeply apologies for no second or lengthy comment but at this time precise comments are far more productive than ranting.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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By writing this book, he is, in my view promoting pedophiles. It is a "how to" book. It is disgusting..



Bill O'Reilly wrote a wonderful book including a scene where a crack dealer trades crack for oral favors from a 15 year old girl. In my state, sex with a 15 year old girl is illegal, how about yours? Seems this scene gives a step by step on how to hook a minor on drugs and use that addiction to manipulate them for sexual favors. I will gladly round up the police if you want to meet me at his office to serve the arrest warrant for writing a book promoting the sexual abuse of a minor.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Xiamara

How is it ludicrous to be held accountable for your actions and opinions? its quite logical in my opinion I can say rude things but I'm liable for people reactions. We all have to hold our actions accountable. To say otherwise is hypocritical you aim to protect ones freedom of speech when no one was stopping them. We are all free to speak, there is no device that stops us its the consequences, that stop some of us. So Again I see nothing wrong he spoke now he must face his actions. No freedom denied there.


You are absolutely not liable for peoples' reactions. I don't see why you think we are. You are accountable if your harass people, make false statements that damage reputations, but you are not accountable if they react badly to what you say about them...especially if it is your opinion.

And yes, freedom is denied if you prosecute people for what they say. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can say anything but suffer the governmental consequences for it. That is what is ludicrous for you to assess.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by sonjah1
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How do we know this for sure?

Have interviews been conducted with children in his life, has his computer been seized yet, etc.?

Source(s)?


Yes

no second line.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Well, I obviously would not be in the same situation because I am not a pedophile.

But integration across state lines, and possibly involving the feds, sometimes takes time, that is all.

Here is the title of the book in question: "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct"

Surely you can't believe that he isn't a pedophile?!



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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While the mere thought that a book such as this could be written and sold makes me sick...if you ban one book, where does the banning end?

I have books that are now considered "banned" due to their content. None of which are associated with anything remotely as deplorable as this but are considered "dangerous" for their content. They are dangerous to those who realize that the knowledge gleaned from them can be used for either self defense or ... other reasons.

Keep in mind that I in no way condone nor do I think a book such as this should be made public, I cannot say that it's OK to ban this book knowing the slippery slope this leads us to.

Reading the book is one thing. Acting upon the matter entailed in the book is quite another.

As a father who has seen numerous news reports about individuals who molest children, I would certainly be pissed at the author but would kill the person who touched my child.

Freedom is something that comes with a price. Once freedom is curtailed, it's then only up to those thinking they know best regarding how more freedoms will be curtailed.

The author is sick and demented but has the inalienable right to publish his hellish book. The book itself will commit no crime.

If you prefer to live in a world similar to that depicted by the movie "Minority Report"...be prepared for the aftermath.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Then Sources?

Please.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by groingrinder
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Conspiracy to commit pedophilia. Conspiracy to encourage others to commit pedophilia.


Pedophilia is no conspiracy, its a reality. understand that then you become aware of how ugly human trafficking is on a global scale.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by JoeMaine
 


Are we robots? Are we not able to differentiate between scenarios? Why can't we look at each case specifically?

Pedophiles are broken. Period!

I have had this conversation on ATS before.. We should be able to bend/create clauses in laws to target child predators.


How about differentiating between a pedophile and a book author?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Joe... I have never heard of karma .. going back in time to exact revenge.. But, in your case, i will assume this is the case.

I dont know how long this book has been out, but maybe the man that molested you read one just like it.. Would you wish what happened to you on anyone? If banning a pedophile book, could save one child your pain would you do it?

I know freedom of speech is a slippery slope.. But can't we make exceptions to protect those that can not protect themselves???

You really wouldn't like my castration theory on first time pedophile offenders then... And death penalty for 2nd time offenders would ya?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by sonjah1
reply to post by tristar
 


Then Sources?

Please.



For now, just stay cool, and read my post upon the op.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Yes I am liable if I caused their reaction. No one is stopping you physically that's what a freedom is we are all free to rob a bank of walk around naked. We are free to do what we want. Its the consequences, that get you no one is physically stopping you its not like you can't go out and do it. You can you'll just go to jail for robbing a bank or charged with public indecency.

Removing someones freedom of speech is removing their ability to say what they want. Or taking their pen or computer or any form of communication away.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by sonjah1
reply to post by JoeMaine
 


Well, I obviously would not be in the same situation because I am not a pedophile.

But integration across state lines, and possibly involving the feds, sometimes takes time, that is all.

Here is the title of the book in question: "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct"

Surely you can't believe that he isn't a pedophile?!


Unless there's evidence that he's touched a kid or committed an illegal act, then he is not a pedophile and this is no different then a thought crime.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
I know freedom of speech is a slippery slope.. But can't we make exceptions to protect those that can not protect themselves???


That's why it is so easy to abuse fundamental freedoms we have in the name of the children!?

Because people make fallacious arguments that somehow we need to protect "our children" from anything and everything and we MUST make exceptions for their sake. By exploiting the emotional vulnerabilities of weak-willed parents, we can strip away the freedom of adults in the favor (of the mostly inefficacious) protection of the children (future adults).

Then you have asinine laws in place like those that caused the War on Drugs, mass censorship, retributive criminal justice system, etc.





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