Pedophilia Guide Author Arrested

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I missed that, sorry. Please dont assume that. I come here for debate not to fight, but it looks like I may be in a minority. Why in the world would that be your first assumption? Are YOU here to debate or simply pick fights, yourself?

I assume it because althought you may have well missed it the few other times I wrote that I have not read the book, I find it odd that I would post that I have not read the book and you would read that, hit reply, then ask me if I have read it.

More importantly, thank you for reminding me how terrible it is to make assumptions about people's intentions based on reading just a little of what they write somewhere.

All kidding aside. I just found it odd that it was in what you replied to. It just seems like you must have hit reply without reading so I wonder why you would even care if I read it or not since you cared so little about what I had to say in the post you replied to. I hope you can see how I might make those connections. I will be happy to be reminded how wrong I am to make such leaps though.

So, no I have not read it.

reply to post by Sinnthia


Ok. Thank you.

reply to post by lspilot6946


Hah, the polk county sheriff has the fb page dedicated to this guy. His picture is all over the place. whats up with that?
This smells like a marketing campaign to me.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker


Siiiiigh.

First of all, yes, it took me a while to respond, because I do have other things to do. I would hope you also have other things to do, as well.

Secondly, again, you missed the point entirely.

When you have walked into a grocery store with a banana hidden in your pocket and waved it around saying "This is how to shoot people and not get caught! I'm showing you how to shoot people!" and you have done this without getting arrested, buddy, then we can talk. K? And if you have been arrested and are let go without consequences for this action, we can talk again, k?

Thirdly, what statute are you looking for?
One in reference to threat?
Perceived threat?
Reasonably perceived threat?
Obscenity?
Potential harm to minors?
Child pornography?
Endangering the safety of minors?
Conspiracy to harm a minor?

And in which state?
Colorado?
Florida?
New York?
Montana?

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by RelentlessLurker

 

A "reasonably perceived" threat of harm is a crime.
So, even if we dance within your definitions of this work, it's still a crime.

please explain where you came up with this.

it certainly wasnt in the penal code.

i see quotations, you must have found it somewhere.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker


The police sympathizers aren't linking to anything they are quoting.

I was trying to get one of my ex-girlfriends to clam up and listen for a change when she screamed at me,

"Haven't you ever heard of the old saying "I don't give a $%*% what you are saying but I will defend your right to say it and say it to death."

Uh . . . . something about her quote didn't seem right to me so I tried to find the original.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Often attributed to Voltaire, this quote was actually written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall and more to the point, written under a pseudonym, Stephen G. Tallentyre, in a book titled The Friends of Voltaire. She was paraphrasing Voltaire's attitude to free speech as expressed in his wrtings.

www.classroomtools.com...

In his A Book of French Quotations (1963), Norbert Guterman suggested that the probable source for the quotation was a line in a 6 February 1770 letter to M. le Riche: ``Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.''

Paraphrasing Norm MacDonald, "Would he really?" Not likely.

For most people, Samuel Clemons, again writing under a pseudonym, Mark Twain, sums up the situation quite nicely:

www.kevinstilley.com...

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them.
~ in Following the Equator

1. Don't buy the book
2. Protect your own kids
3. Protect Freedom of Speech

I can't seem to find a book summary. You need to at least understand some of it before making a decision.
If the right to bear arms were practiced, there would be no problem.
Unless you want big brother to be your child's parents.
Pretty screwed up situation nonetheless.
What if he wrote it with intent to see who buys the book to make it easier to spot and keep an eye on pedophiles?

reply to post by Byteman


As long as you can defend freedom of speech without condoning the assault of that freedom by the wolves among the sheep, then it’s fine. Maybe before automatically waving the knee-jerk conspiratorial vitriol flag, always remember that one’s freedom starts where another one’s begin, it also stops where another one's begin or stops also. Ironically enough, assholes among the “innocent masses” are the ones responsible for the creation of unnecessary new laws. Let’s hope that if in the future this man is proven to be a real pedophile, all of you will not still be bitching about how his “freedom” to be was violated.

And can you imagine? This whole story provoked such an uproar, people become confused and mistrust their society to such a degree that they get afraid of bringing children in this world. We get a sudden dramatic low birth rate. Then the same conspiracists knuckleheads will be bitching about how it was a government coup for population reduction.

reply to post by Goal Shack

Good!

One does not exclude the other. Defending freedom is also protecting the children. But you see, Big Brother is so powerful and omnipotent that he can undermine our abilities. You know all that fluoride, chemtrail, mind control is too much for our conscience. Our rulers are like GODS ya know!

Has it occurred to anyone that the author may have set-up the sheriff and his county for a federal false arrest suit on the grounds his book is perfectly legal as freedom of the press? Despite what we may think of him or his subject it did occur to me that it was a set-up.

He gets arrested and charged and the next day a federal district magistrate or judge frees him from jail ruling his arrest is unconstitutional and in violation of his civil rights. Next his lawyer sues the county and the sheriff. He settles for far more than the royalties from the few books he might have sold and laughs all the way to the bank.

I love America because only here could you pull something like this off and get away with it. Merry Xmas and my best,

Originally posted by Mastermook
reply to post by lspilot6946

 

Hah, the polk county sheriff has the fb page dedicated to this guy. His picture is all over the place. whats up with that?
This smells like a marketing campaign to me.

Yea I got that as well....Like I said I live in Polk County Florida and we are always hearing and seeing things the Sheriff does...this isnt the 1st time something he's done cause waves...but nothing like this. His deputies think he is a god...but there are some out there that question his motives...I'm friends with some. Also he is well liked by a lot of the public as well...but a lot dont like him and again question is motives...If this doesn't raise flags about what his motives are and what he wants to accomplish then I dont know what will....He is crooked as well as the whole Sheriff Department, the State Attorneys as well as the public pretenders..lol. I hope he losses the next election....But I doubt he'll be running for Sheriff again...I think he has his eyes on a bigger prize...CAN WE SAY SENATE????? Lord I hope not

ok this is my take on this. while the book is disgusting and i strongly dissagree with it and even if he did at some point molest a kid the book itself should not be illegal. stores dont have to sell it if they dont want too. infact if people buy a book like that im sure the gov. will be keeping an eye on them anyways to stop child predators.what they truly need to do is find evidence that he infact did these actions if not no crime has yet been discovered. i believe strongly in our original constitutional freedom and as wrong as the book is it should infact be legal regardless. i have a freind that has many books that are not good for example a book on how to commit murder/assasinations and it teaches how to do it how to make silencers dispose of bodies ect. he also has books on making bombs. but yet he does not act on this book and the authors of these books have not been arrest and you can still buy them theyre just impossible to find because what book retailer is going to carry something like that. there's books on growing pot and how to do it and even grow it without law enforcement knowing yet with or without the book people will do it anyways book or no book. this is taking away our freedoms and the book should be allowed even though its terrible. infact it could even be beneficial for law enforcement if they keep an eye on the buyers of the said book cuz that would actually help catch pedophiles.

So many contradictions in those three latest posts above. He was set-up but stupid or "pedo" enough to write the damn disgusting book? It’s disgusting but still a matter of opinions? It is the publisher that should get prosecuted and yet they should've let the book published to catch pedophiles? WTF? You know, internet creeps are not as impressive as they think they are and there will be a time where society will get sick of their own filth living off freedom of speech.

Although I could utilize the more colorful aspect of my vocabulary to relay my personal opinion of this guy, I have to remove myself emotionally and contend that the first amendment holds precedence over this guys disgusting publication. (You live by the sword , you have to die by the sword.) His book is much like the the million dollar "legal" child porn industry that utilizes digital images of children:despicable, yet legal because of the absence of victims. Ethically , the act in itself is justifiable, and" potential" victims simply cannot win the argument.
There have been attempts to overturn these legal decisions, however they are turned down because of the violation on free speech.
www.pcmag.com...
This guy states that he was a victim as a child by an 18 year old women , whom he clearly implies wholeheartedly enjoying. It appears to me that he is relishing in his own fantasy world that all children could experience such an event as he did , and is clearly toting a delusional and dangerous idea.
The fact that so many are outraged by this mans book is a very good thing. I would not be so quick to call names , or undermine the peoples passion against the subject matter by attacking their education or IQ status. In fact public outcry is the only thing that will keep this garbage muted.
So many gave good points here , I especially liked the comment about Evolving as a race . Simply allowing material that advocates crime directed at perpetrators of that crime , and knowing full well as a society the impact and consequences of doing so is irresponsible and reckless.
In response to some other comments I've seenlacing entire responsibility on parents is unfair and unrealistic. That would require a parent to be with a child 24 hours a day for 18 years , because god forbid, the child went for a sleepover , couldn't be home schooled or the parent fell ill or died. Adults get raped or sexually misused, who are you going to blame then? This is a social problem that deeply impacts communities, and instead of people pointing fingers , people should be working together.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
Here is what pure evil looks like!

edit on 12/20/2010 by Resurrectio because: (no reason given)

REALY!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Your going to play that game as well? This is exactly what the media does. They post pics like this to demonize people and make them look crazy, bad ect... every one has a off a pic.

I bet this Resurrectio is one of those undercovers if you know what i mean. This look like a hoax. One book at a time, next will be books like the anarchist cook book, then it will survival guides. I remember learning in school that NO BOOK CAN BE BAN FROM THE USA!!! Well I guess my teacher was wrong. I guess the constituion is not about freedom of speech. Its about freedom of selective speech.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker

Again, are you kidding me?
Have you really not come across the phrase before?
Well, either you're not well-versed in the law, or you are being deliberately obtuse.

I downloaded a copy of the ebook off torrent

it's a pretty wild read, course I've read sicker in Stephen King's Gerald's Game, now that's some sick writing.

but yea if interested just google and +torrent it and you'll find copies if interested in reading it.

Originally posted by Cito
I downloaded a copy of the ebook off torrent

it's a pretty wild read, course I've read sicker in Stephen King's Gerald's Game, now that's some sick writing.

but yea if interested just google and +torrent it and you'll find copies if interested in reading it.

Really? You should upload it to your media account and share it with all of us, so we can finally put this debate to rest as to the full and possibly obscene content. It would be very nice of you to do.

reply to post by CodyOutlaw


If telling people how to get lesser sentences for serious crimes were illegal, the director and cast of Oceans Eleven would all be incarcerated.

Maybe he thinks that the sentences for such crimes are too harsh? His opinion and it's in his book. Big surprise... let's make it illegal because we are too immature to keep our emotions in check. Nobody is forcing you to read it so what is the big deal? Oh right, you don't understand it, so you want it destroyed. No, thank you, Mr. Bush, thank you.