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Pedophilia Guide Author Arrested

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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This is NON FICTION and a guide how much more obvious can that be. I'm sorry but I'm done arguing, since I will continue to think this man deserves punishment for hurting children, and you people who think the bill of rights is an absolute even if it defends a potential pedophile will continue to defend it. So I'm done Good luck, I hope some good samaritan gets to him.




posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
If locking this guy up and or castrating him for this book, somehow steps all over our freedom of speech, so be it..


If locking this guy up for writing a book steps all over our freedom of speech but does absolutely nothing to stem child rape, then what have we accomplished?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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Yes you did.
You over-stated the abilities of the AG's office, and implied that they can't be wrong.

Hey, at least you didn't completely assume someone else was wrong and accuse them of just drawing conclusions from a one-paragraph article.

Oh wait a minute.....that's exactly what you did.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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I laid out my reasoning earlier, all based on exactly what I have read about this story.

CodyOutlaw assumed with no proof (baseless) that I only read one article and am drawing all my conclusions from that one article.

You obviously don't understand what baseless means, or how to apply that term.

LMAO



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Guilty of being broken. He is a time bomb that is going to explode on a innocent child eventually!


This board is full of people saying that other posters, strangers, people not even charged with - let alone convicted of- ANYTHING should be killed, raped, beaten, tortured, etc. I would suggest that these people are also guilty of being broken and going by your standards should no longer enjoy the privelage of living in society. Odd that you are one of these people, isn't it? Or is it just bad to write a book about kids but it is ok to tell complete strangers you want them raped and or murdered as long as you assume they are adults? If we are going to kill broken people, it is going to be a long day around here.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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No, I didn't. I said that they know what they're talking about. I said I would wager that they are not clueless dummies. I said I will watch to see how it pans out. That is what I said.

I did assume that you had made your assumption based on the article in the OP, and for that, I apologize.

However, all my other points, I stand behind. The facts in this case are sparse, so far.

Your opinion, you state with the certainty of fact. Your exaggeration of, and hyberbole-laden treatment of, what I have said does nothing to cement your opinion as fact, it only lends less credibility to your argument.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Maybe you need to move to a dictated country somewhere and spread your propaganda there. HE HAS NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY of anything as of now. How can all of you people say he should raped and murdered in prison?

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in this country and I haven't seen a trial yet. SOOO..

Like I said if that's the kind of justice you want, you hopefully won't see it here in America.

Im astounded how people can say any of this, and trample all what this country stands for, as far as our court systems, and trials.

1. To remain silent. You do not have to make any statements or answer any questions. Any statements you make can be used to prove the case against you.
2. To be informed of the charges against you.
3. To be represented by your own attorney at all stages of the proceedings.
4. To have a continuance if you need one to consult an attorney, to decide how you wish to plead or for other good cause.
5. To a public and speedy trial by judge or magistrate without a jury.
6. To be presumed innocent until you are proven guilty. At trial, the prosecutor must prove you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
7. To have subpoenas issued for witnesses to compel their attendance at trial.
8. To be confronted by witnesses against you at the time of trial and to question those witnesses.
9. To present relevant evidence and testify in your own
0. To appeal an adverse decision to a higher court.

This should be common knowledge for every citizen, if you dont know the American court proceedings maybe you need to take a class.
I'm not trying to be rude to anyone, but just because you dont like somebody for what they think, doesn't mean you can treat them like 2nd rate citizens, and not respect them.
edit on 21-12-2010 by Mastermook because: add something in.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Xiamara
even if it defends a potential pedophile will continue to defend it.
The key word is POTENTIAL. Do we really want thought police? I am sorry, I hate pedophiles and would happily end the life of any ACTUAL pedo caught. But punishing thought crime is a whole other ball of wax.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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If you can find a way in your own mind to justify defending a man who writes detailed instruction manuals on how to sexually molest and exploit little children, then you my friend are one sick, twisted, mentally ill piece of excrement. There is no gray area here.


And all of the self righteous justification that you people use inside your own minds will not change this fact. Somewhere along the road of life your moral compass has been rendered useless.


Hide behind the legalities and the constitutional arguments all you want, but you are still wrong.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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In an entrapment charge the person being prosecuted must initiate the contact in order for the state to avoid entrapment.
If the person does not initiate the contact then it is entrapment.

Now, since it was advertised on Amazon, I can see how some legal loophole might exist, but it is Amazon who aided and abetted this man.


The entire idea of entrapment rests upon a case dealing with child pornography.

The government was sending flyers in the mail to people advertising child pornography and when one man ordered it and was imprisoned, he was released because it was considered entrapment.
If a person does something that is they would have not done without the coercion of the police department then it is most definitely entrapment and sending this to the Sheriff's office without them ordering it could meet the technical side of entrapment, but you guys seem to be missing the forest for the trees.
Besides....They ordered it and Amazon was the one who is responsible.
I say charge Amazon in Federal Court for violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

If he goes to a jury trial, it only takes ONE person to hang a jury and last I checked something like 1 out of every four people were sexual deviants whether they have been convicted or not.
I personally hope that at least one person can see that this man's freedom of the press was violated.
This is a violation of his CIVIL rights thanks to the 14th Amendment.
Supreme court case law now becomes applicable in the case when arguing.

I am totally blown away at the severe lack of knowledge of the law by the many vigilantes on this board.
edit on 12/21/2010 by Josephus23 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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I know what baseles smeans. Do you?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Sometimes someones arrested and you think "there is no freedom in this country,you cant do anything anymore" and this is not one of them.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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By advertising it for sale it initiates contact.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Phenomium

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Phenomium
If they are involved in anyway with these things......they are already UNlawful and INappropriate. So this book is there to coax and coddle the pedo's huh? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS? HOW DO YOU THINK THEY FEEL?


What about the kid? Which kids are you speaking of? I have been eagerly awaiting just one post showing where this book lead to the harm of one single child and so far that has not happened. Child molestors and pedophiles are out there doing what it is that they do without this book. Can anyone show this book did any actual harm or are people just looking for an excuse to start censoring people?


Look if this guy was arrested and is known as a pedophile ...he must have done something.


He wasn't arrested for molesting a child, he was arrested for sending the book to Florida...Why 'must he have done something'?




This guy SAYS this book is not to help pedophiles...fine, whatever, if this is truly the case though then why is the book named "The Pedophile's GUIDE to Love and Pleasure". I'm sorry, but this title alone is too much for me to read, let alone the book. I will not read this garbage.

Maybe people SHOULD actually go and read it and THEN pass judgement on what it is actually 'guiding' pedophiles to do.


A pedophile is a pedophile. As Barak Obama said (yeah I hate him), put makeup on a pig....it's still a pig.


He may well be a pedophile but so long as he hasn't ACTED on his impulses and actually touched a child, then he hasn't actually comitted a crime.


Maybe it doesn't tell specifically how to harm a child, but if it is called "The Pedophile's GUIDE to Love and Pleasure" then it certainly insinuates that it is alright to have sex with children and condones it. Anyone who even supports this guy is sick.


I don't think people are condoning WHAT he has written but are supporting his RIGHT to have written it...how does that make one sick?


Let's expand....you tell me in your own words ....just what this book is about then? making love to adults? Possibly a book called "The Pedophile's guide to Love and Pleasure"....yet with no reference at all about having sex with children??


Go read it and let us all know...but you won't because you would rather just assume you know the full content when you most likely don't...and no, I haven't read it, but given the chance I probably would...I don't like to pass judgement on things I have no knowledge of.


Furthermore, it's not usually some attractive guy or female that does this to children,


Ermmm....so if the abuser is deemed attractive this somehow makes it less traumatic for the child?...I'm confused



it is usually a dirty skank or a smelly, fat, old, creepy man who can't get a female because he's so weird and awkward. A social castaway, if you will.


Pedophiles are attracted to children...not because they 'can't get a woman', they are attracted to children because they are attracted to children...I highly doubt that an ugly guy who can't get a girlfriend would make the conscious decision to be a pedophile based on that!


This author is a pedophile and I don't care what you say, it is wrong and ABOMINABLE. The book, is a "guide" to pedophilism....it says so right in the title. Whether the book goes into specifics about how to hurt a child (depending on how YOU define hurting), is irrelevant. This is not an act that should have good media coverage, or books about it or anything else.


Censoring this book will not make pedophilia go away...nor will the sale of this book convert anyone into being a pedophile...just like books about nazi's don't make you want to go and get a swastica tatooed on your head...if it's already in you then maybe, but then that will come out eventually..book or no book.


Yeah, some creeps are doing it, and will continue until caught......but we don't need positive coverage about a sickness like pedophilism and some huy getting to be a millionaire off of the pain and suffering of children everywhere.


No one has pain and suffering caused by the book unless it has fallen from a shelf onto their head...it is a piece of writing, a distasteful one, but that is all it is....and we DO need coverage about it...it's called awareness...being informed is never a bad thing...I'm sure there is a good deal of info in that book that parents would find useful when looking for signs of abuse in their children.


This trash only promotes more people to want to look into it were they to read it. Books like this might be the one final push that someone needs to branch out from the internet to real life scenarios.


Have you ever seen Hostel? Saw?... They make you wanna go out and hack people up or tear their ribs out with some sort of device you suddenly had the urge to fashion? No...same goes for this book...no one 'normal' would read a book about pedophilia and then just decide to go and do it...unless the urge is already there..and then they would probably go and do it anyway...book or no book.


Also, if this guy or any other guy were able to get his book out to the world then pedo's everywhere would try, maybe succeed, and the whole world would have to shield their childrens eyes everytime they went into a book store. Man.......I don't even need to really say a thing.....it is sick and putrid!


Oh dear god...come on!!...so every pedo is suddenly going to turn into a literary genius and publish a book...don't be ridiculous!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Phenomium

Look if this guy was arrested and is known as a pedophile ...he must have done something.


Known as a pedophile? Who knows him as a pedophile aside from people in this thread that know nothing about him and never even read his book? I missed the part where he was presented as a known pedophile, can you clear that up for me? As far as getting arrested, are you suggesting that getting arrested for one crime is proof you are guilty of another? He was never arrested for any acts of pedophillia so what are you talking about?


This guy SAYS this book is not to help pedophiles...fine, whatever, if this is truly the case though then why is the book named "The Pedophile's GUIDE to Love and Pleasure".


After you read it, what conclusion did you draw about the title?


I'm sorry, but this title alone is too much for me to read, let alone the book. I will not read this garbage. A pedophile is a pedophile.


So you admit that all you have is the title and your disbelief in the author's own claim about the content and based on that you conclude he is a pedophile? You have far greater psychic abilities than I.


As Barak Obama said (yeah I hate him),


Oh, one of the these kinds of posts.



put makeup on a pig....it's still a pig. Maybe it doesn't tell specifically how to harm a child, but if it is called "The Pedophile's GUIDE to Love and Pleasure" then it certainly insinuates that it is alright to have sex with children and condones it.


So we should start locking people up based on the titles of the books they write? Have any of you ever been to a book store? You would be amazed at the titles out there. Sick, twisted, harmful to children titles abound. Fortunately, most of those titles are followed by a great deal of content. I was taught at a young age that only a moron would draw a full conclusion about content from a title.


Anyone who even supports this guy is sick.


Supports him in what and how? Be specific. I do not support him in really any way at all that I can see.


Let's expand....you tell me in your own words ....just what this book is about then?


I did not read nor write it and unlike you, I do not feel qualified in explaining the content of something I really have no knowledge of. Apparently that makes me somewhat rare as only about a third of the people in this thread save themselves from such judgement of things they admittedly never even saw.


making love to adults? Possibly a book called "The Pedophile's guide to Love and Pleasure"....yet with no reference at all about having sex with children??


What is "Hustler's Barely Legal" about? Is it fiction? Does it depict sex with minors? What about the book "13?" Non fiction account of a 13 year old girl including her pursuit of sexual encounters with adult males? What is that all about?


Say what you want, but if a man has sex with a child it is NOT a beautiful thing......not to the child!


When exactly did I say anything of the sort? Can you even find one place I remotely hinted at such a thing? Anything at all?


It is a scary, abomination and the child does get hurt.


I think you are arguing with someone who is advocating for the rights of molestors to molest. That person is not me.


We all can guess what might be done and I am guessing that will hurt a child. Furthermore, it's not usually some attractive guy or female that does this to children, it is usually a dirty skank or a smelly, fat, old, creepy man who can't get a female because he's so weird and awkward.


You watch too much television.


A social castaway, if you will. This author is a pedophile and I don't care what you say, it is wrong and ABOMINABLE. The book, is a "guide" to pedophilism....it says so right in the title.


I really find it hard to entertain your opinion of a title. Sorry.


Whether the book goes into specifics about how to hurt a child (depending on how YOU define hurting), is irrelevant.


Even if it explains the best ways to protect your own child from such, that would not matter to you because the title is so icky?


This is not an act that should have good media coverage, or books about it or anything else. Yeah, some creeps are doing it, and will continue until caught......but we don't need positive coverage about a sickness like pedophilism and some huy getting to be a millionaire off of the pain and suffering of children everywhere.


What are you talking about? What POSITIVE media coverage? He self published a book that is not selling all too well. How is he becoming a millionaire off of it? Do you have even one opinion based on an actual fact?


This trash only promotes more people to want to look into it were they to read it.


I am still waiting for proof that a book like this can and will lead to a rise in pedophillia. Have anything for me?


Books like this might be the one final push that someone needs to branch out from the internet to real life scenarios.


I could say the exact same thing about this thread. The things WRITTEN here may be that one final push that some nut needs to branch out from advocating torture, rape, and murder online to real life scenarios. Are you suggesting this thread be banned as well?


Also, if this guy or any other guy were able to get his book out to the world then pedo's everywhere would try, maybe succeed, and the whole world would have to shield their childrens eyes everytime they went into a book store. Man.......I don't even need to really say a thing.....it is sick and putrid!


It would seem that you know very little about pedophillia, the history of it, and the real world conditions under which it exists. If you can offer even a little proof that some book such as this can and will change the rate at wich pedophiles act out on their urges, I am all ears.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Xiamara
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This is NON FICTION and a guide how much more obvious can that be.


I know exactly what it is. I already asked, if it was written in the form of a fake journal and sold as fiction, that would clear all this up for you? Would that fix the problem?


I'm sorry but I'm done arguing, since I will continue to think this man deserves punishment for hurting children, and you people who think the bill of rights is an absolute even if it defends a potential pedophile will continue to defend it. So I'm done Good luck, I hope some good samaritan gets to him.


Which children did he hurt?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Xiamara
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


This is NON FICTION and a guide how much more obvious can that be. I'm sorry but I'm done arguing, since I will continue to think this man deserves punishment for hurting children, and you people who think the bill of rights is an absolute even if it defends a potential pedophile will continue to defend it. So I'm done Good luck, I hope some good samaritan gets to him.


The bill of rights is absolute.

You can willingly sacrifice your own rights, dont volunteer others to do the same.

Again you say he hurt children.

Who?

Where is that court case?

Perhaps this issue is to mature for you to handle since you keep neurotically stating he hurt children when there is absolutely no evidence he hurt anyone.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:41 PM
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Are you kidding me?

Man, it's pretty simple. People are arrested on perceived threats all the time.
If someone walks into a public space and waves around what appears to be a gun in his pocket, indiscriminately -he will be arrested, even if it turns out that what was in his pocket was a banana. He would still be arrested.

This man has been arrested for obscenity, because his work meets the criteria for that. But, not only is it obscene, it is a perceived threat of harm. A non-fiction, how-to manual for the harm of children.

Too much emphasis has been placed on attacking the OP, and not enough has been placed on understanding what the nature of the arrest was.



what no statute?

thats precisely what i thought, im also disappointed how long it took you to respond.

coincidentally i also just went across the street to the grocery store and started waving around a banana. i even said it was a gun and pointed it at the guy stocking the nearby shelve. he chuckled held up a fairly sizable cucumber and said "mines bigger".

i was not arrested.

in reality cody, nobody gets arrested for what your presenting unless they are being ordered to by a peace officer, whom is granted the authority to use discretion if there is "probable cause" that a crime has already occurred. (at least in america)

unfortunately, you are not that authority, and we have already established that a crime did not occur by writing and publishing the book..

oh, and you can be arrested for anything....even walking down the street.

an arrest is not a conviction, so even if i had been, no crime was committed.




edit:: im pleased that you acknowledge the difference between a real threat and a perceived threat though
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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So you have read the book yourself?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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You have no place attacking my credibility.
Especially after admitting that you are operating on assumptions.

The definition of entrapment is not an opinion.



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