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Pedophilia Guide Author Arrested

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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reply to post by Resurrectio
 


Yeah I am a bit abrasive at times, sorry. Every time our rights are trampled, it is always pushed through as the greater good, or for the children etc. It makes my blood boil that people continue to buy into this reasoning. As I said, one day they will not be children anymore, and if they can think and reason, they will be like me, all pissed off at the passed generations for making the world what it is, thinking it is for the good of the children or whatever.




posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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Please expand your theory here...

Can you so kindly point out, how I am using my kids as a scape goat to erode their rights..

Could you also let me know what my agenda is?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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really? what rights did your parents ruin for you? please explain.. What was their agenda?



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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And yes ..I would suspect anyone that defends crimes against children ...or excuses such things ..tell me do you agrees with such things?

Hitting on you LMAO!!..you certinately have a self inflated opinion of yourself mate lol...in fact I am flattered!!..LMAO



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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This story is pretty scary actually. As disgusting as the content is, one can choose to not read it. You have a choice here of what youre exposed to, just like pornography, or sexually explicit novels, or cartoon porn or whatever you want to get off to. If this man is arrested then why was William Powell (he wrote the Anarchist Cookbook) not arrested for encouraging anarchy in the United States and actually teaching people, in a book, how to build bombs and pretty much everything and anything illegal?

The author of this "guide" should be let go. What he did is not criminal, and he will be judged by his peers for what he chooses to publish. Let society mock him to an assisted suicide but dont put him in prison for expressing his thoughts. This is government regulating every thought, word, and action of its citizens.

Now I understand that this book actually describes in detail stories of relationships with children, and how to manipulate them over years and years of systematic abuse, but this opens up doors to arresting other people for publishing similar content material. Does this now mean that if you are an author writing a novel about a child raping serial killer that you will be arrested for it merely because it is talking about one persons sexual fetish that is considered a predatory assault on the unformed mind of a child?

I think so.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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reply to post by shuck
 


What crime was committed against a child?

Writing a book is not a crime.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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He isn't guilty of anything until/if a Jury says so. Everyone who is proclaiming him guilty now are stabbing the Founding Fathers in the back, along with anyone who truly believes in the US Constitution.

The Sheriff office bought the book, and had it sent to their jurisdiction. That is entrapment. If they hadn't ordered the book, it never would have been sent to them. They created the alleged crime, through their own actions. This is a frame-up, pure and simple.

The government has no right to determine what is okay to write/publish at all.

Is there anything in this guys book that equals the Bible?

Bashing babies on rocks.
Raping children and women.
Killing your own children.
Giving your daughters to an angry mob.
Asking followers to kill their children.
Burning "whores" who are bearing your children.
Killing anyone who doesn't mutilate their child's penis.
God wants Egyptian children dead.
Murdering the entire world (Flood courtesy of God)

(this is just the first book, you should hear about what God did to his own son)

Why aren't you protesting the Bible?

Anyways, I'm sure I've made my point.

Why don't quite a few of you, including the OP, stop being reactionary hypocrites?

All this guy did was write a book. Whether or not you like the contents, it is not illegal. If you can't handle the responsibilities that are thrust upon you by the US Constitution, then you might be happier living elsewhere on Earth.

May I recommend the Middle East? They don't care about people's rights either.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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reply to post by shuck
 


you seem to have the act of writing a book confused with the act of molesting a child.

not sure how you confused the 2.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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I for one...hope that today is the last day he is party to ... while still breathing! I don't care how that comes across.. I will celebrate the day I find out this man was tortured and killed!

This will solve the 1st amendment issue.. No charges.. Oops he died in custody!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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No, you misunderstand. The threat itself is a crime.
There are many "victimless crimes" that are prosecuted.
And rightly so.
I don't want to have to be killed by a stalker before they get hauled in for having threatened me.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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Really? Then how do police stings work? How do online predator stings work? Please have a little bit of knowledge of what you speak, before you speak it!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Please do me a favor and point out my hypocrisy. I thought deep, and have yet to remember any hypocrisy.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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reporting a false emergency is a crime.

writing a book is not.


My point is that it is one of the stated exceptions to the Freedom of Speech, and I was replying specifically, to the statement that it should not be limited, when in fact, there are ALREADY limitations to it (and for good reason).

Writing a book is NOT an exception to the Freedom of Speech, I'll agree.

However, THIS book does seem to fit the exception of Freedom of Speech of being Offensive and meets all three of the test criteria for the legal definition of it.

I'm not saying his book actually constitutes a crime though.

I'm saying that it should be cause for re-examining current statutes, and drafting legislation to prevent the distribution of this type of material. It will require VERY careful wording, to ensure that it ONLY applies to this kind of material without setting a precedent for outlawing other, more socially acceptable materials.

I am not naive in recognizing this is a slippery slope, and needs to be tread with care, but I don't think anyone is FOR folks distributing instructional material advocating raping our children. It needs to be outlawed, but not at the expense of our basic freedoms.


you seem to have the act of writing a book confused with the act of molesting a child.

not sure how you confused the 2.


For me, I think it was when the author STATED he did so. I guess that's how I got confused.

And yes, I realize someone may write a story stating, "So I killed him" (Poe is an example). But, it's all about context. He didn't establish a character who is committing the crime, and then just speak in the first person. It's fairly clear the author is instructing others in committing crimes he is stating he did.
edit on 21-12-2010 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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No, I don't believe that is an appropriate extrapolation. Grayson Perry was never arrested for his pottery, and in fact received an award for it. Nabokov has not been banned. Crime writers continue unhindered. Society is not that stupid. There is a vast difference between art and non-fiction. I'm floored that people are failing to grasp that.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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your perception of a threat, and an actual admission of threat, are completely different things.


if i threaten to kill you, that is a crime.

if you somehow perceive something as being a possible threat, well thats just an opinion at best.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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reply to post by Resurrectio
 


Oh, I see.

It's okay for you to write about wanting a man murdered in police custody, but he can't write about what he wants. That's called being a hypocrite.

By your own twisted morality, you are now guilty of murder and deserve to be executed.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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So many comments on this subject. I agree with the free speech proponents in this thread. While the subject matter in question is disgusting, gross, inhumane and evil, I also have the right to boycott the publisher that publishes this tripe and boycott the outlets selling it as well. And I WILL exercise those rights and already have, not giving Amazon any of my money due to this instance AND the Wikileaks situation as well.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by Secularist
 


I for one...hope that today is the last day he is party to ... while still breathing! I don't care how that comes across.. I will celebrate the day I find out this man was tortured and killed!

This will solve the 1st amendment issue.. No charges.. Oops he died in custody!


While I will agree he is a predator, he is not a criminal. No crime has been committed. You are one of those people that is just biased. Pedophilia is not a crime! Acting on it is. There is a huge difference. How dare you even suggest people be locked up for their own private, personal fetishes? Whether or not they want to broadcast those fetishes to the world, its nobodys right to throw them in prison for it.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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No, there is no need for "perception" with the material we are discussing. It is not vague. It is explicit. It's not very hard to understand that. Have you read any excerpts from the book that were published in articles in the media when the initial outrage over the book occured? There's nothing vague or open to interpretation about it. It is not a perceived threat, it is a threat.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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ok... but this guy first!




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