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Pedophilia Guide Author Arrested

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Oh yeah...right!! OH wright a book on how to rape children and see how people percieve you!
You poeple make me sick for deffending that creep!!!




posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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First off, this guy is sick, and obviously practiced / practices what he preaches in his book.

However, THAT (whatever children he victimized to come up with these processes) is what they need to get him on. While deplorable, and outright EVIL, so far, there is no actual crime committed here (by writing the book). You can't arrest, convict, etc. on something that SHOULD be a crime. (publishing how to's on illegal activity)

I'll agree that there are certain things that trump Free Speech, but until those things are SPELLED OUT in the law, you can't just decide to charge people for breaking laws that don't yet exist.

That sets a DANGEROUS precedent, don't you think?

That said, I'm sure there's some actual crimes this guy has committed, and THOSE are what the authorities need to pursue in earnest to get this sicko behind bars. However, we also need to ensure that we don't trample on the principles we were founded upon in the process. (but this creep still needs to be locked away, just do it with something that will stick)....
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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The difference is some Presidents deserve to get shot for ordering the death of ten's of thousands of innocent people. But no child deserve to get raped..let call it what it is people. The book is called " how to rape children". Ok I agree with people about the freedom of speech thing but this is the exception that proves the rule. Common people!! Sheesh!!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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People are so strange. I just laugh at all the posts that say, "I'm all for Freedom of Speech, BUT..." Yeah, right. You're for Freedom of Speech as long as they're speaking about something you approve of or agree with. Let someone speak of something you disagree with and all of a sudden, you want their freedom taken away! So transparent! You're paying lip service to Freedom of Speech and I would wager you have no real idea what it even IS.

Don't confuse support of Freedom of Speech for support for what this guy is speaking about!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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Oh boy oh boy, where did I leave my torch and pitchfork?!?! I love me a good witch hunt! Nothing trumps freedom of speech, nothing. I don't like what he has to say, but he sure has a right to write it. I hate what christians have to say most of the time, but they have a right to say it. I hate what zionist pigs have to say almost all of the time but they have a right to say it. Anyone who doesn't see that hated speech is what we are supposed to stand to protect, is blind. Popular speech is not threatened, it does not need to be protected.
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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actually you can die that way, not to be gross but a guy who was having relations with a horse, bled to death internally because the horses Johnson ruptured some internal organs and he bled that way, so yeah if it's hard enough and rips too much you can die from it.

On the other note I feel this guy should not be arrested as he just wrote a book, and didn't actually do anything against the law. I am not saying I am for pedo's but still, it's like me writing a book about killing people or kids without actually doing it. If he did do something to a child then yes I can see why.

My question is why did a sheriff buy it from this guy? Was he involved in something like this and did he arrest him to cover up his own shame? Or was it to provoke his arrest? If so that won't stand stand for anything in trial. That's like a police officer going to your house, to find something you did wrong and then arrest you.Something isn't right there. That's my opinion.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:50 AM
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As a mother and human, I hate pedophiles. And strongly believe in punishment with rusty razors.

That said, I also support Freedom of Speech.

It's a horrible conundrum, but we either have Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press - or we don't.

My vote?

Protect the First Amendment.



Why? Because I know that half the things that come out of my mouth, and the mouths of my friends, would get us all arrested for sedition AKA questioning authority.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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I see allot of you folks defending the 1st amendment..

I now see why our world is doomed.. You people are basically saying, we as humans are too dumb to correct this problem, without destroying all of our rights.

We all agree that this book is evil at best. This book specifically targets out children, and explains how to physically harm them.

This book and author explain "safe" "comfortable" ways to assault children. Did anyone watch this piece of sheet on that video? He thinks that children can make sexual choices .. He went as far as to say "I have met 4 year olds with allot "upstairs"... This man wrote this for pedophiles!!! He wrote it to harm our children..PERIOD!!

If we haven't evolved far enough to tweak our current laws without endangering our rights, then we are doomed.

All of you that keep jumping on the 1st amendment bandwagon are admitting that we are too stupid, and to damn lazy to protect our children properly.

Everyone keeps asking "If we ban this book .. where does it end?" How about it ends with THIS RIGHT HERE!!!

You bring up drug books... Drugs are a choice... an adult assaulting a child is NOT a choice for a child. Our kids need to be protected.. Unfortunately they need to be protected from adults.. The same adults tasked with their safety!

Waaaaa my first amendment rights waaaaaaa... EVOLVE... Understand that we are able to specify what we want to protect.. Just because we outlaw a book detailing how to safely rape children, does not mean that ALL books will be banned..

Did anyone notice the poster that called me a child abuser, simply for having kids... He then went on to call me a serial killer, simply because my children will one day die. This is the type of mentality we are dealing with here..

Such a simple poster.. Simple in all ways.. Basically admitting that he mentally can not fathom making the law more specific.. Instead of thinking creatively, lets just allow our kids to be victimized by sick adults.. That is such a small minded view of things.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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Ok I agree with people about the freedom of speech thing but this is the exception that proves the rule.


Yes, but UNTIL it is LAW, you can't arrest people for it. Hopefully, this case will necessitate improvements to the law that can then hold up in court and be constitutional, but right now, at this moment, as far as I know, it is NOT the law.

I think we can all agree that this type of material is something that should NOT be written and disseminated, but until it is unlawful to do so, we can't arrest and imprison people for it.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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This type of publication should be in the same category as child pornography. Is child pornography illegal...YES it is. Of everything in the world, we should protect our children. They are our future. And for those who have the freedom of speech thing incrusted in their brains so much that you believe that everything has the right to be published, you need to get a reality check. Wait 'till you have kids.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 08:58 AM
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There was something similar (but not the same) back in the 1960s here in the UK when a chap wrote a guide to London Brothels. He was prosecuted for living off immoral earnings. Of course things have moved on, but a top politician recently tried to get punternet.com shut down on moral reasons arguing it was exploiting women.

Now I believe in free speech in this case, unless the book incites others to commit an illegal act with children then it should be allowed as it isn't breaking any other law.

But I would happily chop off the fellow's bollocks for even thinking about what he has written about.

Weird how people are drawn to this behaviour, it's unacceptable, is it the way they are wired? Nature or nurture? is it any different to being attracted to members of the same sex, animals, i.e being something where the person is driven by desire and instinct? Some say it is a power thing. It is so disturbing to we who love our families that we can't help wanting people punishing for just thinking or being aroused at the thought of it, but that's not logical.

Amazon should receive the same punishment if a crime has been committed.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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I totally agree with you 100% on every thing you just said...very well put.



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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So as humans we are now stuck to follow the laws written long ago, simply because we are to simple to force the laws to evolve right along with us. Not one word about the law being changed... Just defense of the current law.. Pathetic. The only logical response has been from a MOD...

I am sick to my stomach over this.... I just hope that your children's other parent, care more for their safety, than you defenders do.


Just like you can't sit in a crowded theater and scream fire... This should also be a small specific instance that is NOT covered by the 1st amendment.


The man that wrote this is a broken human. I hope he is allowed to suffer for days while having foreign objects breech his entire body!



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Okay sorry but I can not take the opinion seriously of one who speaks in such contradictions.

First you say this.



I belive in freedom of speech


Actually you don't as we will soon see.
And then you say this.




but this guy took it to far on a taboo subjt plus all he is doing was feeding some other sicko's fantasy..I find him deplorable and disgusting I have no sympathy for this sicko he is a pedophile why else would he write this book.. this guy needs to go to jail..I cant believe anyone can support this creep he is a threat to all of our innocent children.



I suggest you do this...




ok im done with this topic makes me to angry!



Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
And it is only reserved for the most deserving and the most humble.
Because with it comes great responsibility and humility.
Both are things that are sorely lacking in your post.

Maybe this guy is getting all of this hate because he actually exercised his freedom and that angers the peanut gallery on this board.
He did nothing illegal.

Remember in law...For a law to be broken a victim must be present.
If not, then he broke a code or statute.

While these may appear the same because they are punishable; they are not.
The presence of a victim makes the case much more compact and prosecutable, as it is not based upon legislated personal opinion.
Like this guy doing anything wrong.

Immoral and unsavory. Yes.
Illegal.........................No!
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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Good riddance to the scumball!!!

Not much to say...

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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Everybody keeps saying that this book tells adults how to harm children, but from what I can gather....

Because I HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK...

This book is designed to keep adults from doing this type of thing.
It is totally improper to speculate.
So I settle for an "I don't know".

You want to know why I see a microscopic view of societies ills this thread.

Because I do not EVER want half of the posters on this board to be on a jury if I every go to trial for breaking a VICTIMLESS code.
You guys are like a bloodthirsty pack of wolves with no frontal lobe.
When you read the book and can post pages proving that the book says this or that then you can come back and tell me what is wrong with society.

I say GO LOOK IN A MIRROR.
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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Did you not read the thread? There are quotes from the book... Did you see the video of the guy? Explaining that if done right, it could be enjoyable for the child? Did you see him say that he has met 9yr olds and 4 yr olds with "allot upstairs"..

Then when asked if a child of this age can make sexual decisions he says YES!!!!

He even said this book was written to help pedophiles get a lesser sentence, by informing them of loops holes in the laws.

WTF is wrong with you people?

This book is written to help pedophiles hurt children... Not one of you defending this book would enjoy meeting me..


Let me guess "Oh I didn't know he said that.. I thought it was meant for...... EXACTLY!!! Props to Florida for finding a way to lock up this broken human!!!

My only wish, is that this guy comes and does a book signing somewhere near Michigan.
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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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So as humans we are now stuck to follow the laws written long ago, simply because we are to simple to force the laws to evolve right along with us.


The law is always a living thing, in need of constant revision. However, UNTIL the law is changed, you can't prosecute for breaking a non-existant law.

Just as you can't yell "Fire!!!" in a crowded theater and claim Freedom of Speech, there need to be provisions for this kind of material. However, until there is, you can't just arrest someone because it SHOULD be a law.

I'd bet my paycheck though, that this guy devised all of these ideas by DOING them, so it probably shouldn't be too hard to find crimes he DID commit, and try him for THOSE crimes...to get him behind bars.

As for what makes these folks do such things? Obviously, there is just something not quite wired right in their noggins... How is one ever sexually attracted to a child? How does one not have the instinct to protect the young, instilled in all of us, as it is with most mammals? It's just mind-boggling really.


This book is written to help pedophiles hurt children... Not one of you defending this book would enjoy meeting me..


NOBODY is defending the book. What many ARE saying though, is that you can't convict someone for a crime not on the books, because it sets a dangerous precedent. I think we all agree this creep needs to be behind bars...but this current route won't legally stick. I'd wager even a public defender would get this thrown out as a constitutional violation....the way the law is currently written. Changes need to be made to existing law.

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posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Kharron

Originally posted by Xiamara
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I think pedophilia and the potential harm of children trumps freedom of speech... There's a line that has to be drawn. IMO


Ahhh and who gets to decide where that line is?

Do you wanna give that power to the government or should we have a referendum?

Bottom line is, if vendors don't want to sell certain books, or publishers publish them, that's where it stops. Who's to say it wasn't humor? What about a book about "How to sautee Black/White/Yellow/Silver People" (pick your color). That's intended harm right?

Don't get me wrong, the topic of the book despicable, it should never have been published and Amazon as a store should never have put it on their shelves, BUT the guy is allowed to write whatever he wants.

Once you start saying 'well, that's where I draw the line, I'll let the government handle this one' you give your constitutional rights away. Never, and I mean NEVER, is it OK for the government to decide what is free speech and what is not.

Kharron


I think discussing about the "line" and where to draw it is moot. Wherever you draw the line, and whoever draws it, I don't think there is any question that this is well past any line.

-rrr



posted on Dec, 21 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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Holly Hell,
OK all of you who blindly deffend the freedom of speech thing scare me more the that scum bag. I'm out of here!!!

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