It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Cop shoots, kills family dog

page: 5
11
<< 2  3  4   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 01:56 AM
link   
reply to post by whaaa
 


Did I deny that corruption is rampant?

No, I denied that the police are the gestapo. Learn to read.




posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 05:47 AM
link   

Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by sbct infantry
 


Um. No. This is not a sign of things to come. Stop being such an alarmist. The cop did a really stupid thing which really really sucks. He was called by a citizen, and was not "cracking down" on anything that didn't seem suspicious.

This is really awful. Poor dog. Probably just wanted to meet the cop.


"Stop being such an alarmist. This is not a sign of things to come"..

Are you for real? Take a look around you. You're country, my country, our whole world, is going to s##t..
I would think a lot of people don't share youre enthusiasm. Me, for one.

edit on 22-12-2010 by mackey1224uk because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:38 AM
link   

Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by whaaa
 


Did I deny that corruption is rampant?

No, I denied that the police are the gestapo. Learn to read.


Here I must digress. If you will please direct your attention to the MIAC Report below.
www.infowars.com...

Does this prove that the police are a contemporary gestapo, or does it prove that the mentality is shifting toward that type of police state?



The MIAC report specifically describes supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as “militia” influenced terrorists and instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties.


After you read the report, ask yourself if this is mostly the work of militia's themselves, or lone wolfs. Then do the research into agent provocateurs.

Keep reading and see how legitimate concerns are lumped together with the absurd in order to paint the whole militia movement as a largely insane group. Real concerns about labelling of ammunition, calling a constitutional convention to force a balanced budget amendment into the constitution, believing the economy is on the brink of collapse, the North American Union formation, the Civil Defense Force Obama called for (Homeland Brigade, yeah it's real folks.), RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) chips (though it says implanted in human skin, and I personally believe it will come to that, the majority legitimately fear them being in every product on store shelves tracking everything you do that way. FYI, they're in my military ID.)

Then they go so far as to list these things right after :

Christian Identity
White Nationalist (Racists)
Soverign Citizen (States Rights Advocates)
Militant Abortion (Bombing of Abortion Clinics)
Tax-Resistors (IRS is unconstitutional, or flat tax advocates)
Anti-Immigration (Dream Act anyone?)

Now are all of the above mentioned beliefs held by every militia group? Does it lend any legitimacy to their cause, or does it demonize them all. I could keep going, but the last page is the worst. It groups the movies Zeitgeist, America : Freedom to Fascism and the Turner Diaries into one group. Really?

Conclusion, this is the type of training that our officers are recieving today. I leave you with this video that everyone should see at least once.

www.youtube.com...

This FEMA agent tells firefighters and police officers that our Founding Fathers were terrorists.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:41 AM
link   

Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by whaaa
 


Did I deny that corruption is rampant?

No, I denied that the police are the gestapo. Learn to read.


This is what I read...




However! That only applies to the Connecticut police. You cannot extrapolate the police from one state to all of the police -- the corruption is not the same everywhere in the country.


and that is why I said...




You are so naive.

www.angelfire.com...

www.drugpolicy.org...

www.newson6.com...

I could continue but police corruption is an epidemic in America and the "Blue Code" keeps most of it hidden.


I also don't think the LEO in this country are gestapo, but there is a definite "we/them" attitude. I am a subcontractor for the sheriff's dept. in my county and in casual conversation, with many officers, anyone that isn't a cop is a "puke"
I completely understand the stresses of the job but an attitude adjustment with community involvement is in order, especially with internal affairs. Coverups should not be tolerated by the citizens that pay their salary, and it is an all to common occurrence.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 08:47 AM
link   

Originally posted by whaaa
I also don't think the LEO in this country are gestapo, but there is a definite "we/them" attitude. I am a subcontractor for the sheriff's dept. in my county and in casual conversation, with many officers, anyone that isn't a cop is a "puke"
I completely understand the stresses of the job but an attitude adjustment with community involvement is in order, especially with internal affairs. Coverups should not be tolerated by the citizens that pay their salary, and it is an all to common occurrence.


Understand that in order to opress a people, you have to first dehumanize them. This is why labels like raghead, towelhead, haji, skinnies, gooks, slant eyes, white trash, spics, porch monkeys, and the likes are never really discouraged from being used in law enforcement or military atmospheres. It's simple psychology that you can't shoot, oppress, marginalize or dehumanize a group of people without separating them from you with mental barriers.

One result of this type of rationalization is the feeling that those groups are out to get you personally. The 'war' becomes personal and you become agitated, and will draw your weapon faster in reactionary firing. In this case, dead pooch. Sometimes that anger just has no outlet. I know during my patrols, I would beg for someone to shoot so that I may return more accurate fire. When reality hits, you never want to be shot at, but in the streets of Iraq, it's almost welcome because the tension is so thick and you are on edge 24/7. Our cops are being trained in much the same way as soldiers are now, so expect to see this trend climb rapidly.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 10:26 AM
link   
Alright, let's go over some cold hard facts people. Try to stick with me.

Fact 1: Connecticut Police are rampantly and dangerously corrupt in a terrifying proportion, at least in several cities.

Fact 2: Other Police forces are littered with an alarming number of corrupt officers.

Fact 3: The vast majority of police officers do not rape and murder as a matter of course.

Fact 4: Even in Connecticut, those officers who do this are not officially sanctioned, and blind eyes are sometimes not turned. They are still officially, and even occasionally actually, not above these laws. See: Connecticut Police Officer being convicted of several crimes.

Opinion on fact 4: Should we still be worried about the number who are not being prosecuted and stopped? Of course. Is this enough? Certainly not. But the fact remains that there are some people who continue to watch the watchmen, and we have not yet reached the levels where we are being institutionally slaughtered.

Fact 5: The MIAC report was seriously messed. But it was not a direct instruction manual on what to do to those people.

Opinion 1 on fact 5: Can you honestly say that those wouldn't be the sorts of groups who would be involved in an armed revolution?

Opinion 2 on fact 5: But why the hell would the DHS and Missouri Law Enforcement be concerned about an armed revolution? I personally consider the fact that the government is getting ready for that kind of thing at any level a lot scarier than who they are considering a risk for that sort of thing.

Fact 6: Brazilian (and other) Death Squads are paramilitary, usually unofficially licensed groups of people who, with a complete disregard for any regulations that could be put on them, kill, kidnap, and disappear political dissidents. Even when they are officially answerable to someone, they are not actually answerable in fact. They have become judge, jury, and executioner for either political reasons or a twisted sense of justice.

Comparison of Fact 6 to Facts 1 - 4: Those officers who have in this very thread been compared to Brazilian Death Squads rape, murder, and steal for wholly personal reasons. They get away with it when they do because of a sense of police unity -- not because the government wants them to.

Addendum to Comparison of Fact 6 to Facts 1 - 4: Okay, fine, maybe it's because the government secretly wants them to. I don't think it is, but could be.

Fact 7: Gestapo. The Gestapo arrested people by a matter of course for simply having been alleged to be enemies of the state. They put people to death without trials by the complete sanction of the government.

Comparison of Fact 7 to Facts 1 - 5: MIAC was a list of people who could be targeted if we gained a Gestapo. That is scary. that could be a sign of things to come. But this is a very far cry from an individual member of a police force doing something really stupid and unjust, like shooting a pet dog. Out of panic.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:44 AM
link   
reply to post by Solasis
 


I pretty much agree with all your "facts".

How about I give you my opinion in exchange?


If the various LEOs and LEO organizations don't want the public to have such negative opinions of them there is some things they could (and probably should do). Granted - they will never sway everyone but a good start and swaying more would be...

Better community relations to help get rid of the "us vs. them" mentality on both sides. To any LEOs reading this, most citizens are not, "pukes", "turds" or "scumbags". To any citizens reading this, most LEOs aren't "pigs", "thugs", or "gestapo". Believe it or not, many LEOs and many citizens actually want many of the same things. But, the "us vs. them" mentality on both sides really hinders it.

Clean out that barrel! - This one is really simple in concept. You don't want the public to think all the apples in the barrel are bad?? Then do a better job and cleaning out the bad ones and don't protect them.

Equal treatment - Citizen X and LEO Y both commit the same crime. Citizen X gets 5 years in jail. LEO Y gets two weeks without pay. Citizen A lies that he didn't see his buddy do a crime - he goes to jail as an accessory, obstruction, etc. LEO B lies that he didn't see another LEO do a crime - nothing at all happens to LEO B. You want the public to start thinking you are serious about cleaning that barrel? Start giving equal treatment.

Admit when you screw up or do something that looks bad - Everyone has seen them, the stories that make the public go nuts, a LEO tasers an 8 or 88 year old, beats a deaf guy for not following instructions, or shoots a golden retriever that was in its yard. Try to understand the public's feelings. The standard closing of the blue wall with the statement of "the officers did nothing wrong and followed proper procedure" kind of leaves the impression that such actions are pretty much always officially sanctioned and approved of. Come on - most LEOs are not dumb - think about how the "official line" sounds to the public when something that looks really bad on the surface comes out.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 11:49 AM
link   
reply to post by Frogs
 


Guess what? I agree completely!



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 02:12 PM
link   
Well said, I touched on that earlier, and I guess that is where the majority of my responses were heading. Though we don't currently have a gestapo type police state, the laws and attitudes are certainly leaning that direction over the last half decade.

To be called an officer, rather than public servant, changes the mental scope of the job being conducted. Most government job titles have followed this trend. Of course, this ranges from police 'officers' to public 'officials'. The very connotation conjures up feelings that officials are above the populace, and therefore the law. That enforcing and creating laws is such a vast undertaking that it is okay for those same parties to break them.



posted on Dec, 22 2010 @ 09:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by MrWendal
 


Alright if you had bothered to actually read the post you're discussing, you would know that we've already been through that. Someone much more competent than you -- the OP -- posted some actual proof. Your little post is exactly what I had expected him to do. I was pleasantly surprised, and convinced that it happened more often than I previously thought.

Something you should know: Saying that there are 75000 results means absolutely nothing. This thread is almost certainly going to be one of those results, and once you get down to result 75000, you're going to be seeing a lot of zooporn and badly advertised Otherporn. A huge chunk of them are also going to be blog posts and copy-pasted news stories about the exact same incidents. Your evidence is the kind of awful non-evidence which makes discourse impossible.


Umm actually I read the "post" what I did not do was read the entire thread. Now that I have, I realize that was already discussed.

What I did not do was provide individual links, sources, etc etc showing that this does happen often. What I did do was google "Cop shoots family dog" and post the link to the result page. See... if you actually clicked the link, you could have easily began looking into the issue for yourself. It is not my job to do your homework, but I did provide a good starting point for you if you choose to look into the issue.

I realize looking into an issue for yourself is a pretty far fetched concept as it seems everyone wants others to do the actual work, but clicking the link would have been the "competent" thing to do.



posted on Dec, 23 2010 @ 01:09 AM
link   
This is starting to go offtopic but I'll post this anyway. I think the biggest reason why bad cops are a big problem is that the good cops cant or wont stop them. There is no honor in being a clean good cop who obeys the law and applies same to their co-workers. This is partly caused by the whole thing about us vs. them attitude. On top of that other things that come to mind is that cops don't know the people they police and visa versa. To add to the problem police isn't held to same standards and always get off way easier than civillians who commit the same crimes. Just my 2 cents.



posted on Dec, 24 2010 @ 07:38 AM
link   

Originally posted by PsykoOps
This is starting to go offtopic but I'll post this anyway. I think the biggest reason why bad cops are a big problem is that the good cops cant or wont stop them. There is no honor in being a clean good cop who obeys the law and applies same to their co-workers. This is partly caused by the whole thing about us vs. them attitude. On top of that other things that come to mind is that cops don't know the people they police and visa versa. To add to the problem police isn't held to same standards and always get off way easier than civillians who commit the same crimes. Just my 2 cents.


Inside the US Army, I learned a valuable lesson. Plausible Deniability. You see, while a First Sergeant has control over rougly four to five Platoon Sergeants, those PSG's have control over roughly four Squad Leaders, and those SQL's have control over two Team Leaders. That's a company chain of command for NCO's (Non-Comissioned Officers). Aside from stumbling across a Knights of Columbus gathering while providing manpower at a church function, and knowing that most of my major chain of command batallion and above were freemasons, seeing the stickers on cars and trucks all over post, the one other main and important method of promotion is lust for power.

If you are genuine in your care for the 'joe's' below you, promotion is possible. If you are cold-hearted and treat the Army as a popularity contest, promotion is mandatory. Positions of power are lusted after by those who crave power.

I became very aware of this fact with a certain member of another platoon who arrived much the same time I did to the company. Private D. (who's name will not be mentioned for the remainder of the post) made if very clear early on that he was going to have power to wield whether it was his to wield or not. This behavior found him in trouble, with a few slaps on the wrist from time to time. For the most part, his behaviors of subjugating his peers, DUI's, violent outbursts toward his peers, and general distaste for authority, were overlooked. When it came time for promotion to team leader, this person had already spread lies about the competition and gave his best to marginalize them weeks before it was time to choose. Now at one and one-half years in the unit, Corporal D. was standing in the First Sergeants office, addressing him as J. (name witheld), disrespecting his superiors, peers, and failing his 'joe's'. This behavior occurred in Iraq, where every team member in the company, save his team, knew rougly what was going on. This man, Corporal D., was too busy working on his next chevron to worry himself with that small fact that he was utterly a failure at his job. Apparently, his superiors either were marginalized, or gave up on caring about that fact as well. Soon Sergeant D. was back stateside after losing members of his team to what can only be described as his poor judgement. Even I had the unfortunate draw of serving under the man for a night. I was left in a house with my battle buddy for hours, in the most dangerous city in Iraq, in the middle of a firefight, with a family a gunpoint. Juggling returning fire, comforting my sobbing partner, keeping the family from rushing us, and contemplating stealing clothing and 'hucking' it back to the fob all weighs on me to this day. I again had the unfortunate draw of serving in training with him stateside as Opfor in a mock town training 'cherries'. Staff Sergeant D. was now in charge of his squad, but thought it would be more fun to take the training opportunity from his team leaders and run the teams themselves. On his very first run, as I hid upstairs and picked off two of his men, he promptly left them to die and chased me through the house until I was dead. His team suffered two KIA, one critical, and one walking wounded. His team had five persons. He suffered no injuries, because he said so. In the AAR (After Action Review/Report) I mentioned this only to get scolded, because it was not his fault as the senior NCO, but his 'joe's' fault for not stopping themselves, though arguably he never would have had the manpower with his approach in the first place to take me out correctly and efficently.

Why do I tell this story? Because this man is now a Platoon Sergeant, and will likely spend his career in the army someday becoming a Sergeant Major. I have seen many good men, good NCO's forced out of the Army because they would not follow the same path as this man. This is how our police forces are becoming. Evil begets evil. Bad deeds gone unpunished encourage more bad deeds.



new topics

top topics



 
11
<< 2  3  4   >>

log in

join