Author of pedophilia how-to book arrested

Originally posted by Solomons
A slap in the face of freedom of speech and the law, im sorry, but your opinions of the material itself is irrelevant. There is no victim or crime here, it is simply information, the fact you can get arrested for this is a dark day for society indeed.

edit on 20-12-2010 by Solomons because: (no reason given)

Good point.

Although I think pedophilia is disgusting and the practice of same should be a crime punishable by being left alone in a room with the parents of a child victim for a few hours, I do have a problem with the publishing of the information being a crime.

It's a very quick ride down the slippery slope. What's next? Who's to say what "society" will next deem to be information that is "criminal"?

Our rights as US citizen's are under heavy attack. People better wake up quick before it's too late....

Originally posted by sonjah1
That is, if the abuse stops.

Yes, that of course is an important contingency..however, even as an adult whom lived through that unpunished, it is critical for the person to get proper therapy. If a book makes a former abuse victim remember the nightmare, then that is a positive step in making them seek out help.
The worse thing that can happen is for things to be brushed under the carpet

If it is on-going, then there won't be therapy. And that would be HELL ON EARTH.

Unfortunately, sometimes the PARENTS/CUSTODIANS ARE THE ABUSERS.

Statistically, its almost always in the family or very close circles..aka, the ones the kids trust.
Those "kids stolen" stories are highly remarkable...lotto win statistics when you compare it to the norm...and 9 in 10 cases are actually found out.

Education is seriously lacking for outside observers to notice the problems..people have a ridiculous fear of "forbidden knowledge", even when such knowledge would help stop these things. This book burning is an example of how people demand to be ignorant verses uncomfortable..

Maybe, Saturn, one day you will be a parent and understand all of the dangers facing our children today.

It is my understanding already that makes me think how I think. I see people fight for the opposite of what would be helpful. I see insanity being the popular stand. I see unfit parents held in some sort of ideal.

educating the population is what is needed. We got sex offender registrys that make people think these dots on a map somehow makes their kids safer, meanwhile the actual threat is the places without dots on the map. We have knowledge supressed that could help caring adults notice when something is off because..well, it is knowledge. We have a freakout if a kid notices some flesh on television, making the kid unable to even speak of such things because they know how parents react to just the subject itself, a total isolation of them so parents can feel better about themselves and be the anti-knowledge champion.

Psychology 102 is what is needed before people breed.

reply to post by SaturnFX

Originally posted by sonjah1
That is, if the abuse stops.

Yes, that of course is an important contingency..however, even as an adult whom lived through that unpunished, it is critical for the person to get proper therapy. If a book makes a former abuse victim remember the nightmare, then that is a positive step in making them seek out help.
The worse thing that can happen is for things to be brushed under the carpet



If it is on-going, then there won't be therapy. And that would be HELL ON EARTH.

Unfortunately, sometimes the PARENTS/CUSTODIANS ARE THE ABUSERS.

Statistically, its almost always in the family or very close circles..aka, the ones the kids trust.
Those "kids stolen" stories are highly remarkable...lotto win statistics when you compare it to the norm...and 9 in 10 cases are actually found out.

Education is seriously lacking for outside observers to notice the problems..people have a ridiculous fear of "forbidden knowledge", even when such knowledge would help stop these things.

Yes, I am in agreement with you on the above quoted statements.

The truth will be revealed...and if this author turns out to be a *PED*, surely, I would hope that you would recant on your previous statements on how the book "educates"?

Originally posted by sonjah1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Originally posted by sonjah1
That is, if the abuse stops.

Yes, that of course is an important contingency..however, even as an adult whom lived through that unpunished, it is critical for the person to get proper therapy. If a book makes a former abuse victim remember the nightmare, then that is a positive step in making them seek out help.
The worse thing that can happen is for things to be brushed under the carpet



If it is on-going, then there won't be therapy. And that would be HELL ON EARTH.

Unfortunately, sometimes the PARENTS/CUSTODIANS ARE THE ABUSERS.

Statistically, its almost always in the family or very close circles..aka, the ones the kids trust.
Those "kids stolen" stories are highly remarkable...lotto win statistics when you compare it to the norm...and 9 in 10 cases are actually found out.

Education is seriously lacking for outside observers to notice the problems..people have a ridiculous fear of "forbidden knowledge", even when such knowledge would help stop these things.

Yes, I am in agreement with you on the above quoted statements.

The true will be revealed...and if this author turns out to be a *PED*, surely, I would hope that you would recant on your previous statements on how the book "educates"?

edit on 20-12-2010 by sonjah1 because: (no reason given)

couple things:
meant to write 9 out of 10 are -not- found out

I am under a full assumption that the author is indeed a pedophile..
and this is a good thing and even more reason to keep the book published and even free online...
why?
banks hire professional criminals to test their security..
security companys hire professional burglers to test their security
why would you not want to ask a professional perv how they go around your parental security?

First let me state that anyone harming a child sexually or any other way should be shot.

Now to make a lot of folks mad

We have a thing in America called freedom of speech and unless he harmed a child, had sexual pics of real children, etc..........he should not have been arrested. Although I despise the man, he has a right to publish anything he wishes as long as he did not PERSONALLY harm a child, post there pics, name names, etc

reply to post by SaturnFX

I am under a full assumption that the author is indeed a pedophile..

Please don't tell me next that you think he should be freed from punishment???

Originally posted by sonjah1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I am under a full assumption that the author is indeed a pedophile..

Please don't tell me next that you think he should be freed from punishment???

Really...thats all you got from my post? wow.


Add/edit: Will answer this because I know how the mindset works of fixation over substance.
If he broke a law, he will no doubt get whatever punishment is set in place. If he broke no law, he should indeed be set free. I am not bothered either way about that...this is about the information presented and what it represents beyond just shock value and how society should deal with it

philip greaves must be pedobears pseudonym.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Glad you posted your ETA; otherwise, I was going to accuse you of red herring. You still didn't say what *your opinion* was...Oh, well!

I am under a full assumption that the author is indeed a pedophile..
and this is a good thing and even more reason to keep the book published and even free online...
why?
banks hire professional criminals to test their security..
security companys hire professional burglers to test their security
why would you not want to ask a professional perv how they go around your parental security?

Well, according to the OP's source:

In November, Greaves garnered national attention because his self-published book for sale on Amazon offered advice to pedophiles on how to make a sexual encounter with a child as safe as possible.

As far as we can tell, he wasn't contracted by Child Protective Services or the police to write the book, so your argument by analogy really doesn't work here, Saturn.

reply to post by sonjah1


I don't know what he did wrong..I actually don't care. If he did something illegal, then he will end up dealing with that.
From what I see, what we know for sure is he wrote something down that is controversial..and this is clearly covered in freedom of speech. Now, if there are actual pictures of victims or something, then that is a different issue entirely.

I am not hung up on the author and his potential illegal activities, or people simply trying to rip away freedom of speech.
I can, from my own mind, write a how to murder someone, or overthrow a government, with just a bit of creative imagination. I may be friends with people whom have murdered and had discussions with them to fill me in, etc...

Again, that has little to do with the overall issue of destroying a helpful knowledge book to -protect- children.

Sun Tzu puts it best:

Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories.
Sun Tzu

What the argument is, is to not know the enemy..the mind..the conditioning.
This is championing ignorance to preserve indignation..that mindset is far more dangerous to children.

And once again, about the author..I simply don't care who he is. he hasn't affected me or mine, and the law will decide if there is any wrongdoing.

back from tree shopping as promised....

Upon looking up Florida statute I found the following:

Florida statutes

Reading through these, in legalese mind you, there are a number of different codes that this man may be in violation of, namely with regards to children, the questionable subject matter and the distribution of such material. In fact in reading through these I am not entirely sure that Amazon may not shoulder some fault as well, legal-wise.

That being said, it is important to note that an arrest warrant is issued when there is probable cause that a person has committed a crime, just because the author was arrested does not immediately make him guilty of the obsenity charge. In the eyes of the magistrate and the attesting officer in this case, it was probable that he had commited this crime. It will be interesting to watch this case unfold as the law is strangely specific yet vauge at the same time. One artilce i read already characterized the author as 'mentally unstable' so watch for that as a possible defense. In all likelihood though, this will end up pled down from a 30 year felony to something much less.

reply to post by SaturnFX


had to give you a star for this gem-
"This book burning is an example of how people demand to be ignorant verses uncomfortable.. "

that is an excellent way to put it, and that saying goes for quite a few topics.

I live in Pueblo CO and I remember them doing a kind of interview with this guy on the local news one night, wasn't entirely interesting what he had to say so whatever.

I don't believe arresting someone for something "they believe in" is a very good way to start conducting law enforcement. Its on par with preemptive war.

I understand the guy is a sicko etc etc ya but unless he has actually committed a crime with a victim he shouldn't be arrested or convicted of anything.

Otherwise we set the very very dangerous stage to arrest and put people in jail for something "they might do" or appear to maybe possible do in the future...

The old saying that cops want to stop crimes before they happen breeds the idea we should start arresting and detaining people who haven't convicted a crime...but appear like they might.

dangerous precedents to be setting...

reply to post by Yetichi


I don't believe you said that. This is children we are talking about. Murder is bad yes... but I think the molestation of children falls into a much bigger more sensitive topic that deserves more attention.

reply to post by PsychNurse


No children are being molested though, so while you may think the subject of the book is sick, that does not mean they have any legal basis for arresting him. Paedophilia in itself is not a crime remember, it is a thought not an act...what IS a crime is child molestation or pornographic material relating to it etc which this book has neither of as far as im aware. The only way someone can justify this is if they support thought crime...which i don't and never will, regardless of my personal feelings.

reply to post by Solomons


The author was not being charged with pedophilia however.
In fact he is being charged under the Florida statute for obscenity, that is disseminating material that depicts through image or verbiage that is considered obscene by its use of children and sex acts.

Earlier in the thread there is a link to the Florida title where the obscenity codes are listed.

You are correct when you say that one can not be arrested for a thought, and that is not the case here.

reply to post by youdidntseeme


Ahh yes, i remember the porn director Max hardcore being arrested and jailed couple of years ago using the obscenity law, i believe it was mostly for depicting 18 years or over porn stars as underage school girls in the courts opinion...pretty ridiculous law. But the story makes sense now, sad that Florida has such crazy laws.

does anyone know where i can get a copy?

reply to post by SaturnFX


That's if they don't end up killing themselves first. Which many do. Some just can't cope and I find it disgusting that you're defending the book. It's a POS book by a POS author. People who do what the book discusses are POS and deserve nothing less then public execution. And before you start blabbering off at this post about how it's "emotional" and yadda-yadda-yadda, I have had one in my family who went through this abuse. HAD being the keyword.

If we can't get emotional over our kids, and other kids being molested, exactly what can we be emotional about?

reply to post by Solomons


And other obscenity law news,
wasnt Jim Morrison finally just pardoned for his oscenity charges for exposing himself at a concert back in the 1960's