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9 Questions Muslims Should Ask the World

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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9 Questions Muslims Should Ask the World

I found most of them to be valid... its funny cause whenever I see something racist or bigoted I think of ATS now. Quite the reputation to have huh

The second to last one was my favorite.




posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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nothing racist -- racism is a guilt trip, and a conditioning,

i have no problem with saying i despise the ideals of islam



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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thats fair.. but i mean is it cause of their lifestyles? whats actually written in the quaran? its easy to just say it but do you even know why?

i've never read the quaran so i can't really judge the whole religion



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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We are not all that different. Some people identify themselves with their local community, while others with the global community. There are many in between.

Nice piece



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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I see.

It's actually called Qur'an.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by dannyfal
9 Questions Muslims Should Ask the World

I found most of them to be valid... its funny cause whenever I see something racist or bigoted I think of ATS now. Quite the reputation to have huh

The second to last one was my favorite.



Got to #3 and saw it for what it was.

Ask them yourself.

meh.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Despising the ideals of Islam (as you see them) is not necessarily racism.

Despising all Muslims for believing in Islam is. There's a big difference.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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Like most Islamic apologetics I see lately this is a pretty good mish mash of red herrings, logical fallacies and stereotypes. But the first cartoon did strike me and I wanted specifically to address it,

Nun’s do it by choice(and most nuns today DO NOT wear habits)… free will, while the Muslim woman is not doing it by choice. When Muslim girls want to wear bikinis and they can do so without being stoned to death (or merely savage beaten by her brothers and father), then you can tell me that the hijab is a purely a choice, and one that muslim women are free to ignore if they feel like it. A nun is a rare creature in Christian countries.

And here is one I didn’t see in the list.

Why is it when artists and pop culture denigrates Christianity and Christ (piss Christ, Madonna on a cross, Mary painted in elephant feces, etcetera) the worst repercussion is an angry letter to the editor, a phone call to a congressman or a boycott but when someone draws a cartoon of Mohamed the artist has to hire bodygauds and drop out of society so he wont be killed?

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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Despite the very cute graphics I think the answer lays in choice-

If a woman has no choice *but* to wear Hijab- It's wrong.

If she has no choice *but* to stay with her child- It's wrong.

When that noble Palestinian sacrifices himself to kill civilians because that way he causes more casualties- He's a terrorist.

I tend to agree with most of it though..

Hoping this isn't going to turn into a hate talk marathon, like any other thread that has the word "Islam" (or "Israel" for that matter) in it.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by dannyfal
9 Questions Muslims Should Ask the World

I found most of them to be valid... its funny cause whenever I see something racist or bigoted I think of ATS now. Quite the reputation to have huh

The second to last one was my favorite.



Got to #3 and saw it for what it was.

Ask them yourself.

meh.


i dont see whats wrong with the first 3... care to explain?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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It is a French tradition to have strong separation of church and state in public institutions. The law is not just about muslims, but about every religion:




The law does not mention any particular symbol, and thus ban all Christian (veil, signs), Muslim (veil, signs), and other minor religions' signs.


en.wikipedia.org...

Also, face coverings are banned in public, irregardles of the reason for wearing one, so it applies to everybody equally. Various habits going around the face are allowed. Christian nuns dont wear anything covering the face as far as I know, along with majority of muslim women.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Eliad
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Despite the very cute graphics I think the answer lays in choice-

If a woman has no choice *but* to wear Hijab- It's wrong.

If she has no choice *but* to stay with her child- It's wrong.

When that noble Palestinian sacrifices himself to kill civilians because that way he causes more casualties- He's a terrorist.

I tend to agree with most of it though..

Hoping this isn't going to turn into a hate talk marathon, like any other thread that has the word "Islam" (or "Israel" for that matter) in it.


Good point, I don’t see how walking into a crowded Sbarro’s with a pipe bomb or talking a mental handicapped 16 year old girl into making a suicide attack on an open air market is about protecting one’s family.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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but isn't it naive to say that ALL muslim women are forced to wear the hijab...

can't we agree that most were just brainwashed as children to want to wear it to please allah?

for example my parents were raised muslim and they haven't blown themselves up or thrown rocks at anyone or anything stereotypical. my mom rocked the hijab when she was young cause she was trying to please god, not to avoid having rocks thrown at her (even though i'm sure that was another reason)



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by SirMike


Good point, I don’t see how walking into a crowded Sbarro’s with a pipe bomb or talking a mental handicapped 16 year old girl into making a suicide attack on an open air market is about protecting one’s family.


i think its more of a "i'd rather die than have real housewives of atlanta be running on tv endlessly"

aka i'll take my chances in hell instead of having western influences come and turn it into hell

what extreme measures would you take if muslims came and wanted to occupy the US and force their rules on us?

pretty sure we'd all be acting like extremists at that point



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by SirMike
Why is it when artists and pop culture denigrates Christianity and Christ (piss Christ, Madonna on a cross, Mary painted in elephant feces, etcetera) the worst repercussion is an angry letter to the editor, a phone call to a congressman or a boycott but when someone draws a cartoon of Mohamed the artist has to hire bodygauds and drop out of society so he wont be killed?

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the same reason abortion doctors get killed?

extremists are extremists

generalizing is generalizing



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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what extreme measures would you take if muslims came and wanted to occupy the US and force their rules on us?


Certainly not blowing up innocent civilians. I would go after the occupation army.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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Ok, let's do it :

1) Nuns are not all women. They are female priests. Hijab is mandatory for all women in islam.

2) I don't see any western woman being respected for staying at home. Also, get back to the "mandatory" line.

3) Hijabs are not the only things forbidden. Basically, every single religious sign is forbidden. This includes crosses.

4) Potential and talent in a subject that can and has to evolve. I wanna see their faces when the kid will say : "Hey, I'll make a new version of the Qu'ran !"

5) Terrorist because hedoes so by bombing other innocent civilians. And when someone not muslim does so, he is treated the same way (like Basque terrorists here in France).

6) Ain't it because he kills those people IN THE NAME OF ISLAM ?

7) As well as we would refuse the solution if it lied in the Bible.

8) Mainly because these guys justify their acts by islam ?

9) Because imposing religious law can be a good thing ?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by SirMike
Like most Islamic apologetics I see lately this is a pretty good mish mash of red herrings, logical fallacies and stereotypes. But the first cartoon did strike me and I wanted specifically to address it,

Nun’s do it by choice(and most nuns today DO NOT wear habits)… free will, while the Muslim woman is not doing it by choice. When Muslim girls want to wear bikinis and they can do so without being stoned to death (or merely savage beaten by her brothers and father), then you can tell me that the hijab is a purely a choice, and one that muslim women are free to ignore if they feel like it. A nun is a rare creature in Christian countries.

And here is one I didn’t see in the list.

Why is it when artists and pop culture denigrates Christianity and Christ (piss Christ, Madonna on a cross, Mary painted in elephant feces, etcetera) the worst repercussion is an angry letter to the editor, a phone call to a congressman or a boycott but when someone draws a cartoon of Mohamed the artist has to hire bodygauds and drop out of society so he wont be killed?

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" Islamic Apologists " ?

So Mike how do YOUR stereotypes apply to the 2.5 MILLION muslims who currently reside in the United States. Appears you are taking quite a few liberties in your depiction of the muslim community. And yeah ! You do present yourself as an ignorant racist ! Good luck with that !

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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eh, the personal attacks are pointless. mike can think what he wants.

i think people are mixing up islam with what the news portrays islam to be... do any of you even know any practicing muslims to be making any claims?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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Well, I think most have adjusted quite well and have become well integrated into the US … its remarkable what spending a few years outside of their completely dysfunctional home countries did for them. I take no liberties in my depiction of predominantly Muslim countries. They are quite backwards and repressive and the more fundamentalist the nation and the more dominant Islam is, the more backward and repressive they become.

Oh no! I’m an ignorant racist! Whatever shall I do! I feel so ashamed!



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