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Dec 21, 2012 - Did they get the date wrong? Is it actually Dec 21, 2010?

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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 08:51 PM
This is an excerpt from an email I receive daily from James Gilliland, a Southern California native. He is an author, teacher, ufologist, spiritual counselor, energetic healer, and the founder of the Enlightened Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence (ECETI) organization

According to this collection of articles,
the "big shift" is not Dec 21, 2012, but only 2 days away!

Good News / Bad News

THE GOOD NEWS! The world will not end on Dec 21, 2012.

THE BAD NEWS: The date has been moved up to Dec 21, 2010.

An astrologer, Victoria Peltz just wrote an article explaining that we are –
or may be - two years off in our calendar because of the confusion back in
the 16th century between the Gregorian and Julian calendar. In other words
when we interpreted the end of the age in the Mayan calendar as 2012, it
should have been 2010.

Now what is so interesting about that is when I
heard of the 2012 end of the world scenario, I immediately did a chart for
Dec 21, 2012 and saw nothing. Then I asked a few of my astro friends and
they saw nothing. BUT, if I do a chart for Dec 21, 2010, I see a
spectacular, powerful eclipse lasting over one hour. Also, in July 2010, we
have a cardinal T-Square with Saturn, Uranus and Pluto in the sky that can
be seen as a herald or portent of things to come.

People have been predicting the end of the world approximately every couple
of centuries since 2800 BC when it was written on a clay table in Assyria.
And the Mayan elders have been trying to tell everyone that the end of a
cycle on their calendar is not the end of the world.

Dec 21, 2012 is actually Dec 21, 2010

2010 is a WHOPPER! And is more the REAL 2012. The alignments of December 21,
2012 is nowhere near the power of December 21, 2010

More and more astrologers say this year is THE ONE. They were 2 years off !

It will happen at WORLD POINT 0 degrees Cancer, and have an effect the world
over, it will also conjunct Hades.


On 21st December 2010 coincides with a total lunar eclipse. This is the only
lunar eclipse that will occur over this period of 36 years or so during
which the winter solstice sunrise is directly aligned to the Galactic
Centre. The Mayans, among other cultures, have identified this dark rift in
the Milky Way galaxy (between Sagittarius & Scorpio) as the cosmic source of
all creation (and destruction) and they have specifically tied their
mythological and calendrical traditions to its winter solstice alignment. It
is the place to which the Mayan shamans have always ventured on their
visionary journeys in order to gain wisdom and understanding. On Winter
Solstice this year, thanks to the lunar eclipse, and for the only time
during this period of solar alignment, the Moon, Earth, Solstice Sun and
Galactic Centre will all be in perfect alignment.

So far everywhere I have been reading online everyone is saying it is what
the 2012 should look like!!! BUT 12-21-2010 that looks like it instead...

All the astrologers say 2010 is a heck of a lot more crazy than 2012. Yeah
its a countdown all right

Also, this somehow adds up with the 2012 Movie, "We didn't get the Date
right", the Movie is about the 2012 Theme but is taking place in 2010 or
2011 as I remember right from the movie.

Of course they can be off. There are astrologers desperate to find stunning
alignments in 2012 but cant. All the whoppers are in 2010.

Also of interest…

On December 21st 2010, the Solstice occurs on the same day as a Total Lunar
Eclipse which takes place (astrologically) within 2 degrees of the Galactic
Centre. That's a pretty big coincidence considering that an alignment with
this area is central to the 2012 'belief'. Furthermore the total phase of
the eclipse will last for the mystical number of 72 minutes. It will be
visible over the America's and particularly the west coast of America,
Central America and South America - home to the Maya.

No spectacular alignments in December 2012, It is most definitely two years
off. I don't know about global doom, but at the Tropic of Cancer that runs
through the town of Todo Santos in Baja California, the moon will be at
zenith (straight up) during total eclipse. This is a once in a thousand year

As I have said before, from the astrological/astronomical point of view
there really is nothing particularly notable about the much talked about
2012 date. What has come to light however is that THIS years December 21st
Solstice is fairly remarkable - definitely from the astrological point of
view, but also from an astronomical one. Perhaps the scholars who pinned the
start of the Mayan Calendar date to 3114BC (relatively recently) are 2 years

In Psalm 110, he sits at his Fathers right hand. His Scepter extends to
Zion, which is tied to Orion and the Great Pyramid. The Lunar Eclipse rises
Blood red over Orion's raised sword on December 21, 2010.

I should state that, even though the odds are that the Mayan Calendar is
off, it is probably not off by a significant amount of years. Since it was
recalibrated using the Christian Calendar, which only turned out to be off
by about 2-4 years, then the most that the Mayan Calendar will be in error
is one of their 20 years cycles.

Now, get this.

If they chose the wrong eclipse they could be off in two ways. As stated
above, if they are too soon, then we would have to wait that 20 years from
2012 AD for the end of their 13th Baktun placing the start of the new cycle
circa 2032 AD - in this regards Sitchin was wrong for he stated that their
calendar was cyclical and, therefore, would not end at this time however,
though their calendar is cyclical, it is based on major epochs and one of
which will end - this time by Earthquake and/or Pole shift - at the end of
the 13th Baktun.

Now, to continue, if, however, they are too late, it is not going to be an
error of 18 years - or we certainly would have known by now - but by the two
year difference between the Saros Cycle and their 20 year cycle.

In other words, if they chose the Dark Side of the Eclipse, so to speak, the
end of the 13th Baktun would actually occur December 21, 2010 AD.

Now, to continue, I was thinking about this:

When you look at the Magnetosphere it is getting consistently worse. Now,
however, why would the Winter Solstice be an important date?

Well, its because we have at least two holes in the Ozone which reflects the
two holes that we probably have in the Magnetosphere which allows
increasingly more cosmic rays in which deteriorates the Magnetic Field even

When the Winter Solstice comes around that hole will be directly in front of
the Sun and we will have no "shields" for the earth as one Scientist
describes it.

Thus, you can expect the condition to worsen drastically between now and
December 21, 2010 AD.

The Pole Shift itself could occur anytime between now and then.

Further, when NASA originally calculated the Solar Maximum they chose a date
between 2010 - 2011 and not the 2012 date.

The Solar reversal that some are talking about follows this same basic Solar
Cycle of 11 years (which can fluctuate between 9-14 years) and the last one
apparently occurred in 2001 however, we have already started a new Solar
Cycle in December of 2008 or possibly August of 2009 and NASA tells you it
takes about a year to work its way to the Heliosphere which, then, means the
Sun should be flipping out, literally, any day now.

21.12.2010 "stands out far more than the 21.12.2012,
did they get some calculations wrong?"

If I didn't know any better I'd say we have got a particularly interesting
period in front of us and whilst I generally stay away from the "ascended"
masters and their never ending promises of utopia I think we are looking at
one of the most spiritually significant dates of the year. Mercury may give
a hint on the 18th as to what it's all about and then again on the 13th
January. The only planet that does not aspect the Sun and Moon is Mars which
may imply that the messages coming through show us what needs to be done but
we may have to wait until we can actually act on beliefs and feelings. Mars
is only 11 degrees away from the Sun which sits just outside of what I'd
consider acceptable for a conjunction so it's influence may be weak but
still felt. This eclipse takes place only hours before the solstice and
this date stands out far more than the 21.12.2012, did they get some
calculations wrong?

Mayan Calendar, 2012 and The TOTAL Lunar Eclipse of 2010

There's a lot being made of the Mayan Prophecy in the movie 2012 Doomsday.
Trouble is, everyone thinks it's Dec 21 2012 (The Winter Solstice) – but
that overlooks the REAL Astrological fact that there is a TOTAL Lunar
Eclipse coming up 2 years ahead of schedule on Dec 21, 2010.

Why I see Dec 21, 2012 as the Wrong Date: There is a very good argument that
our modern translation of the Mayan calendar is wrong. This is due to the
fact that our Gregorian calendar is just about as wrong of a timekeeping
system as we could possibly have. This alone is enough for me to think it's
time for a Mayan 2012 kind of meltdown. In my personal opinion, our version
of time is a trap and a lie. But first a brief lesson on time and why ours
is so screwed up.

Why our Gregorian Time Calendar is a Mess: Once upon a time, time itself was
based on a Sacred Calendar, which followed the Moon. Such a calendar has 13
months – just like the 13 lunar cycles of the year. Each month was 28 days
long – just like the Moon Cycle.

But then, after the time of Christ and all the drama that was stirred up
then, the Roman Emperors got involved, changed things around a bunch, gave
us 12 months of 30 days each and a weird Leap Day. This was a rough attempt
to create a Solar Calendar – based on the Earth's annual movement around the
Sun. The only trouble with that is that each year isn't exactly a nice neat
little package as they tried to represent. And then those crazy Emperors
all started to get swelled egos and wanted the month THEY were born in to
have more days than any other month. Augustus Caesar stole a day from
February and gave it to August (the month of his birth). Julius Caesar did
the same for July. It wasn't long before February was the shortest month and
the whole calendar started to look lopsided and wobbly.

The Pre-Gregorian Lunar/Solar Calendar: Getting back to the Mayan Calendar,
we need to go back to those BC days and then account for what happened in
the time of Christ and after. but first a quick lesson in how time was
counted when Christ was born. If you look in the Old Testament you will see
that the Passover takes place on the First New Moon in the first month of
the year – called Abib. This is basically the first Lunar cycle after the
Spring Equinox (April 20 or 21) each year. In Astrological terms, Passover
takes place on the first Full Moon of Aries.

In sharp contrast to all of this, the Mayan's had the MOST accurate system
for keeping time that we have record of on planet Earth. Nobody has done it
better before or since. But their system is pretty dang complicated. But
that's beside the point. The point I am making here today is that our
western translation of the Mayan date for the end of the Yuga (age) as
coming at Dec 21 2012, they accurately counted for it ending on a Winter
Solstice but have probably lost a few years worth of Moons in there
somewhere (months). One place where they probably lost time was in the Year
of Christ's death. The Zero year for our Gregorian calendar. Also, each
subsequent year for over 2,000 years has had 12 moons instead of the natural
13 – that's a lot of months to lose.

The TOTAL Lunar Eclipse on Dec 21, 2010: As an Astrologer, when I look at
the STARS (which is what the Mayans used as the basis of their calendar) I
see 2010 – the year we are in – as being the intense one. And the Eclipse on
Dec 21, 2010 is truly a heavy hitter.

First off this is a TOTAL Eclipse – so there is some completely new
revelation that it represents. It takes place on the shortest, darkest day
of the year. The day of maximum oppression, and – for lack of a better word
– evil. The Eclipse itself takes place smack dab in the center of the
Pacific Ocean. Right in the middle of the `Ring of Fire' where all the
worlds Earthquakes have happened this year. The impact here is one of
destabilizing one of the Earth's most vulnerable areas.

Just for the sake of clarity I am not predicting Doomsday on Dec 21, 2010 or
Dec 21, 2012 for that matter (I'll leave that to Hollywood), but I AM
pointing out that we are under some very dramatic Astrological influences

Any thoughts??

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 08:57 PM
Your probably right, Bring it on! Im gonna go like a drop-Kick through the Goalposts of life

Oh my days They Are Gonna Love Me In heaven!

edit on 19/12/10 by TedHodgson because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:05 PM
People believe in this crock?

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Segador
People believe in this crock?

Sadly, some people do . How sad

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:13 PM
reply to post by discl0sur3

Well ok. What can I say? The bad news is that 12-21-2010 is not a good for me, can we postpone?

The good news is that we only have 2 more days to talk about this end of the world scenario if your source is right.

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:15 PM

Originally posted by TedHodgson
Your probably right, Bring it on! Im gonna go like a drop-Kick through the Goalposts of life

Oh my days They Are Gonna Love Me In heaven!

edit on 19/12/10 by TedHodgson because: (no reason given)

Haha...Well said!

Taken with a grain of salt, one must find this at least somewhat amusing

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:17 PM
Sorry, but there is already a thread about this:

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:19 PM
^^^^Spoilers eh?^^^^^^

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:20 PM
reply to post by discl0sur3

It's almost time:

Matthew 24:22
New International Version

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Buckle up.

edit on 12/19/2010 by this_is_who_we_are because: typo

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
Sorry, but there is already a thread about this: bad. Sorry mods

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:28 PM
Well, better safe then sorry, I always say. Gonna catch me the next plane to JFK, and spend tomorrow in my former Nuclear Shelter...

Of course, if I went by the "advice" given by some "people", on this site, I would have spent the last 8 years inside the shelter. To the best of my recollection, since the year 2002, the Word has ended 158 times, World War 3 has been fought more then 200 times (guess the next one will have to be WW 202, nice round number), and the President of the USA has publicly admitted to the existence of aliens ~69 times (just a number I like).

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:44 PM
reply to post by gandalphthegrey

Originally posted by Segador
People believe in this crock?

post by gandalphthegrey
Sadly, some people do . How sad

you dont believe in Eclipse's?


do you believe the Earth is flat also?

edit on 19-12-2010 by reeferman because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:47 PM

Originally posted by gandalphthegrey

Originally posted by Segador
People believe in this crock?

Sadly, some people do . How sad

Actually it sort of makes sense. Not the end of the world aspects, but the astrological aspects.
The Mayan calendar from what I know was ALL about astrological events, and that may be all there is to it. No end of the world, just cool astrological events that mark the end of the calender and probably start of a new calendar. Just like we end the year in December.

Who knows....

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:47 PM

Originally posted by gandalphthegrey

Originally posted by Segador
People believe in this crock?

Sadly, some people do . How sad

Actually it sort of makes sense. Not the end of the world aspects, but the astrological aspects.
The Mayan calendar from what I know was ALL about astrological events, and that may be all there is to it. No end of the world, just cool astrological events that mark the end of the calender and probably start of a new calendar. Just like we end the year in December.

Who knows....

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:50 PM
With the Korean war around the corner, this could be a very real possibility...

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:51 PM
Maaaaaaaaan! I didn't die in Y2K, 2006, or any other apocalyptic event before that.

I must be invincible!

Bring it on 2010/12 let's see who will win.(I have a bit of a headache for Tuesday, can we change it to Friday?)
edit on 19-12-2010 by binomialtheorem because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
Sorry, but there is already a thread about this:

Yeah, but some folk would rather make fun of discl0sur3 than onehuman okay? Jus' goofin

posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 03:49 AM
reply to post by discl0sur3

Even though this coming eclipse is damn cool, and exactly 2 years to the DAY regarding the Mayan/Aztec supposed prophecy of destruction. Do I believe 2010 is closer to the real date? No... Well then… do I believe 2012 equals the real date? No, no I don't!!! Nothing in history is that simple... In the past I've gone to great pains to explain how ancient lore may not be all its cracked up to be when it comes to dates... Just because something happened in our distant past, doesn’t mean its going to happen in our future. And if it was simply the Mayan's/Aztec's claiming our time is about to experience some scary times... I too would reject it as nonsense! Sadly, most 2012 debunkers have absolutely no concept of what is actually being said from all around the world, from hundreds of cultures… and all the warnings throughout time and from all around the world, warning our time… about the CHANGE that is coming! I wish I could point people to one link or book and say... read this and you will have the truth. Sadly, that is not the way this is going down.

One of the things that should give both believers and debunkers alike great pause is thus... every single major religion that are active on this planet right now... and those in powerful occult religions.... EACH are expecting their version of a Messiah between 2011 and 2013. That is damn scary.... damn scary...

There is massive significance associated with this coming eclipse... Christians and Jews who understand prophecy from either the Zohar or other not so ancient Christian elders, are beginning to believe, redemption draweth nye... I believe that's a bastardization of their religious doctrine, but my voice is simply someone screaming into the wind. IF... IF... IF... neither of their Messiah’s show up, the world is going to be one ugly place to live, because someone has to be blamed. IF... IF... IF... their Messiah’s does show up, the world is going to be one ugly place to live, because someone has to be saved. SO many cultures warn about this moment in time... It must begin and it must end sometime within the next 26 years. Almost all of them believe it must happen within those years. And this Dec 21, 2010 is a marker for many of them.... it truly is... That's why this eclipse is Scary as hell, yet physically probably won‘t even cause a dust devil somewhere… but things will be set in motion all over the world.

I make no secret about my faith... I know God exists... yet I also try to make it clear, all religions who acknowledge a righteous higher power... on the personal level only... there is nothing more beautiful. Yet, every level above the personal... ALL RELIGIONS... become more evil, and exceedingly more dangerous. 2011 from my studies is the marker year... If the Bible is to be believed then 2018 is most likely the last year this cycle of life on this planet will end as we know it. Depending on how you read the Bible, it could be extended to 2037... but that seems rather ridiculous to me... because of how 2018 fits so perfectly into the historical creation of Israel and OT Bible Prophecy. The Zohar tells those who know, their Messiah will be here between September 2011 to 2013. Not that he might... but that he will. That prophecy is almost 1500 years old... and extremely powerful people believe that with all their heart.

The Murals at the Denver Airport scared the crap out of me... But then to see more in a BofA main bank, was completely unexpected... And then… to discover that Santa Fe Springs California also has Bronze statues warning of a coming destruction.... it makes me wonder, where the hell are they getting their information? Millions of dollars aren’t being spent because of Macabre Art appeals to people about to get onto airplanes… let alone how inappropriate it is to have that kind of nonsense in a professional setting like a bank. So obviously extremely Rich and Powerful people believe something is coming as well.

2010 if anything is simply a marker for occultist and those religious folks who understand their eschatology... How I would love to be able to read their secret documents… if that gift would happen, then the last three pieces of this puzzle could be solved… but, instead I will keep searching, and as we get closer I will keep giving all I learn away for free… because you have the right to know… whether you believe or not…well... that’s your right as well.

--Charles Marcello

posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:08 AM
The winter solstice of 2012 will occur at exactly 11:11 UT on December 21st. The significance of that coordinate is digital - not astronomical. Check out The Invitation if you are noticing 11:11.

posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:25 AM
I think I remember reading somewhere that there was an expected "72 hours" of darkness for one half of the world during the pole shift/2012 event. Awfully odd that this eclipse is supposed to last exactly 72 minutes? All these numbers seem to have some strange coincidences.. Oh well. I guess we'll see what happens..

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