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Feeling quite sad- so many working against the greater good

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SunnyDee
 


When those of us choose to defend the government in the case of 9/11, it is not out of any loyalty to a government that did those things.
It's in defense of a government that could not do those things. I can't believe that a government that two of my friends died for, could do such a thing. Forget the facts that keeping a secret that huge would be impossible. just imagine the betrayal that MOST would feel if in fact the government had a hand in it.

Paint me as you wish. But I wore the uniform for over 10 years. And I cannot accept the fact that my govenment had anything to do with it.

Sorry.


B- I am very sorry to hear of your friends deaths. I saw a snip on the news this morning of a soldier that lost his life in 2008. They showed him in pictures with his wife and 2 young daughters...beautiful and tragic.

But, may I point out that you said you can not believe such a big thing could be kept secret, and yet it was, one way or another. No matter who you think accomplished such a feat, although, I'm simplifying the term secret, since there is evidence that some clearly knew.

Our government is in the business of war. If you can not believe it would do such a thing to soldiers, you are holding on to a belief and not willing to discover. It starts with not buying into the two-party fight. I know that can be very hard, we are wired to fight, but it takes a really open mind to get beyond a lifetime of propaganda that has made us believe all that we are fed as truth.




posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by hooper
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So, according to you the government doesn't care about you but does care what you think. And the "government" wants me to fear Arabs and fight them (Arabs)? Really? But its all a hoax, there really is no one out there that hates Westerners and Americans and everything is hunky dory, except we have been decieved into hating Arabs because of 9/11.

Thats nice, but it kind of ignores all the rest of history before 9/11. Un


To think that Arabs in the East hate us for our freedoms, is the height of ignorance. They hate us because we have interfered with their politics, built bases on their soil, and support israel unconditionally.

Please deny ignorance.




posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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P'raps. I'm new here so I'm trying to be polite, respectful. It's ironic, but I will fight to the death, your right to believe what you wish. I only hope that you respect my right to believe that however corrupt our politicians are, they would not allow this to happen.
Maybe my glasses are rose-colored. Time will tell.
edit on 20-12-2010 by beezzer because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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They hate us because we have interfered with their politics, built bases on their soil, and support israel unconditionally.

Please deny ignorance.


I don't even think they hate us primarily. I think they see our culture as a threat to their political and religious systems. And make no mistake about it, our culture, indirectly does threaten their system. Why? Because it is attractive. It is about personal freedom, freedom to worship, freedom to speak our minds and freedom to follow our own political will. Not an attractive package to an authoritarian theocracy.

And our culture has been quite pervasive in the last century.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Welcome. Just so you know, those of us, and I know I can speak for most of them here, that believe the truth as told by our govt regarding 911 is false, do not believe this happily. We love America, too.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by SunnyDee
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Welcome. Just so you know, those of us, and I know I can speak for most of them here, that believe the truth as told by our govt regarding 911 is false, do not believe this happily. We love America, too.


How do you know that you can speak " for most of the on here ", ( more arrogance ")

I am not American but I do have a bs filter and it just blew it's fuse.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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i just found it horrible that the op is obviously emotional about the whole think yet you guys just dont give up on ur debunking i dont want respect off anyone i want the truth


You're right , the OP is obviously emotional . There are several indications of this ... the title of the thread tells us this , and even tells us why we are supposed to believe that this is the case ... " so many working against the greater good " . Thereby implying that s/he is sad because there are "so many" , who disagrees with his/her version of events on 9/11 , and because of this alone , this difference of opinion , we are therefore "working against the greater good" . Whatever that means .

We are thereafter labeled as ignorant . Wanna know why ? Because we disagree , that's why . Now , you tell me , what kind of an argument is that ?

So yes , the OP is self-evidenced as beeing highly emotional , when opening a thread that basically says " I'm crying because there are people who don't think like I do . Please come cry with me and we shall discuss what vile and pathetic creatures they are . Oh , boo hoo ..."

Yes , very emotional . The rest of the OP is composed mostly of theatrics .

Nothing but a billboard on a very popular website , declaring to the world , that there are those in this world , who disagree with him .

Wow .

Oh , and yea , ...

s/he wants to cry about it .


When you get through there , come on over here and let me show you this Rolex I got for sale ...



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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Please worry about your own country then. Which country is it? Israel? lol


edit on 20-12-2010 by mayabong because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by mayabong
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Please worry about your own country then. Which country is it? Israel? lol


edit on 20-12-2010 by mayabong because: (no reason given)


So you think Cornwall is in Israel ? Par for the truther course I suppose !



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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You could put anything in your location, some people put "the moon".

Why should I believe anything you say being in another country, and brush aside questions that even the military have in this country?

really, why do you even try what is the purpose? lol



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Dunno what u mean bout the rolex? lets agree to dissagree i just cant understand why you continuosly come on comspiracy sites if you think they and we are all nutter



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by mayabong
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You could put anything in your location, some people put "the moon".

Why should I believe anything you say being in another country, and brush aside questions that even the military have in this country?

really, why do you even try what is the purpose? lol


What questions have I brushed aside ? I will try to answer them.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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The OP is only making a plea, a natural response upon awakening to events happening around the world. He/She does not deserved to be derided or ridiculed, but only to be headed for a more thorough discussion and debate so that the TRUTH may emerge, just as many others awakened from the 'blue pills' taken daily from our political masters whom had been PROVENED eunarchs and bootlicking MSM.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by okbmd
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i just found it horrible that the op is obviously emotional about the whole think yet you guys just dont give up on ur debunking i dont want respect off anyone i want the truth


You're right , the OP is obviously emotional . There are several indications of this ... the title of the thread tells us this , and even tells us why we are supposed to believe that this is the case ... " so many working against the greater good " . Thereby implying that s/he is sad because there are "so many" , who disagrees with his/her version of events on 9/11 , and because of this alone , this difference of opinion , we are therefore "working against the greater good" . Whatever that means .

We are thereafter labeled as ignorant . Wanna know why ? Because we disagree , that's why . Now , you tell me , what kind of an argument is that ?

So yes , the OP is self-evidenced as beeing highly emotional , when opening a thread that basically says " I'm crying because there are people who don't think like I do . Please come cry with me and we shall discuss what vile and pathetic creatures they are . Oh , boo hoo ..."

Yes , very emotional . The rest of the OP is composed mostly of theatrics .

Nothing but a billboard on a very popular website , declaring to the world , that there are those in this world , who disagree with him .

Wow .

Oh , and yea , ...

s/he wants to cry about it .


When you get through there , come on over here and let me show you this Rolex I got for sale ...


Okkie, you're right. I did title this wrong. It was not well thought out, since it assumed your beliefs are not valid, even though we completely disagree. I also came off emotional, because I was and thought it valid. But you and a couple others have proven my point, you attack others with your choice of words. It's is rude and it is manipulative, and ruins honest discussion. I'll take flack for this, but it's worth it.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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So, umm, why did Muslims hate us in the 1780s??? Pretty sure we did not have any bases on their soil or that we were trying to force our beliefs on them back then..... Could it possibly have to do with the fact that we, were, or maybe...infidels in the eyes of their perverted view of their religion...naw....couldn't be that......



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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Taking them out of context is a more accurate statement as to what you have been doing.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Wow muslims were the enemy of america even in the 1780's. Lol .. now i've heard it all.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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I have been called more names and insulted by "peaceful, polite", 9/11 truthers more times than I have EVER insulted anyone on here. If reading words on a computer screen bother you that badly, then I respectfully suggest you stick to Disney.com.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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Or you could take your negative comments and create another thread. Does everything always have to end up in an argument?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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The majority of the people in your clip are trying to grind political axes, ala Watergate, Iran-Contra, Whitewater, etc... They dont want to find a "truth" they want to bash the party that was in power. As for a couple of the military officers in it, the statements accredited to them in that clip show that they have not learned all the facts. No one "jumped from a Cessna 172" into the cockpit of a 757/767. And even then the LAST flight instructors a couple of the hijackers had, have stated that they are absolutely convinced that the hijackers had all the skills necessary to pull off the manuevers.

Lets see...who to believe...a military officer with no contact and no knowledge of the hijackers' abilities who has appearantly only seen information from conspiracy websites...OR the actual people who FLEW with the hijackers.....thats a toughie.........



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