Cassini Sending A Signal 2.2 Billion Miles, What A Joke

No... sound is not part of the EM Spectrum.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
To correct you on your lies about me, I have been a satellite technician since the late 70's a pioneer of the satellite industry. I could pose questions that you and no one else on this site could answer. Here is a simple one for you and your clonies, what year, what manufacturer and what name brand was the first IRD introduced ?, what was X band, when did it come out and what was it used for ? I know my stuff and I know they are lying.

I dunno about America, but here in the UK for Sky the first Integrated Receiver Decoder came from Amstrad with the SRD400 in 1990.

The X band (3-cm radar spot-band) of the microwave band of the electromagnetic spectrum roughly ranges from 5.2�10.9 GHz. It is used by some communications satellites and X-band radar. - Not sure about the date I'm afraid - and I can't be bothered to waste my time finding out..

So what, just because you install commercial satellite set-ups makes you an expert in deep space communications does it? Congratulations, I know someone who installs Sky too, but they don't pretend to be the worlds expert on Space Comms!

If they have a large network of dishes over a big area, then it makes the equivilant of a very large dish! I won;t bother looking up the exact figures, becasue (of course), your an expert and know this all already.

In your other thread, I noticed that you make a remark on how the Mars rover can send it's signals back without a dish - well I'm sure someone has already pointed this out to you but I thought it was common knowledge that it sends the signal back to the orbiting satellite with a small antenna which in turn beams it back to Earth.

You do not necessarily need a huge dish and powerful transmitter to communicate with a station/satellit in orbit.

Back when Mir was still around and they had their Ham Radio station, I spoke to the Cosmonauts on board, and could obviously hear them clearly, with no more than my 2m Amateur Radio Handheld with it's standard Rubber Duck antenna and 5w of power.

I have managed to send a signal and receive it back from AO-27 with no more than a pair of handhelds, one on 2m one on 70cm, using only a 3-element Yagi!

I suggest you do a little more homework, rather than pick up a copy of What Satellite? and spouting off your newly learned knowledge after reading the Glossary!




[edit on 6-7-2004 by AgentSmith]

You didn't have to give him the answer!

Sorry guys, it's been fun, amazing to see how blinded you guys are. I have been warned by the MODS, for what I do not know, I did nothing different from anyone else here, I guess when you expose lies and deceptions you get banned here, It must give the MODS a sense of power as much as they would try they can't keep the truth form coming out, this site is only a very small portion of the real world, so enjoy your kingdom MODS. I know who really runs this site. LDP out.

[edit on 6-7-2004 by Lastday Prophet]

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Sorry guys, it's been fun, amazing to see how blinded you guys are. I have been warned by the MODS, for what I do not know, I did nothing different from anyone else here, I guess when you expose lies and deceptions you get banned here, It must give the MODS a sense of power as much as they would try they can't keep the truth form coming out, this site is only a very small portion of the real world, so enjoy your kingdom MODS.

Oh no please don't go!! I want to hear you tell me how I imagined speaking to the Cosmonauts on Mir with little more than a glorified walkie talkie!! Or how I didn't relay a signal from AO-27!! Oh yeah - how do you explain handheld satellite phones???

Oh pleeeasssee......

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Kinglizzard, you are one of the chief disinformation artist,

No I just like to base my theories in sound science and factual information. Are you implying that ATS is attempting to spread disinformation?

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
and are now summoning your MOD buddies to back you up as always,

I have not and will not ask a moderator to back me up in order to silence someone that I don�t agree with. Their job is not to support a single member and their beliefs. They are governing this web-site to benefit and support all the members of the ATS. Furthermore I�m just a member like everyone else on this board; I have no �special� friends that I can call on to silence your claims or punish your actions.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
all it takes is a look at your points and it verifies that you are a major player here.

Im not sure what �major player� means in your book but twenty thousand points really isn�t all that much. I earned my points just like everyone on this site. There is no conspiracy, no disinformation specialists and no agenda. Believe what you will, enjoy�.

that there's no cassini mission? NASA is pulling a monster psy-op on all of us instead? if the stakes were high enough i think it'd be POSSIBLE, but i just don't see a motive here.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Here's a easy one for you, what is the declination setting for New York, you won't find it by doing a web search, let's see how long it takes you idiots to find out.

I believe its 14-W.

Your earlier comment about a picture of saturn not filling an empty stomach did make me wonder about one thing though.

Much as I love seeing the pics from other planets and finding out things about the solar system, I do wonder exactly why we are spending money in such a way when there are human beings starving here on earth. I can understand the Mars probes up to a point, since Mars could one day be terraformed, but why spend so much looking at Jupiter, Saturn etc. Unless there is a possiblity for alternative fuel sources on their moons of course.

Originally posted by Pisky

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Here's a easy one for you, what is the declination setting for New York, you won't find it by doing a web search, let's see how long it takes you idiots to find out.

I believe its 14-W.

Your earlier comment about a picture of saturn not filling an empty stomach did make me wonder about one thing though.

Much as I love seeing the pics from other planets and finding out things about the solar system, I do wonder exactly why we are spending money in such a way when there are human beings starving here on earth. I can understand the Mars probes up to a point, since Mars could one day be terraformed, but why spend so much looking at Jupiter, Saturn etc. Unless there is a possiblity for alternative fuel sources on their moons of course.

Don't get me wrong I do agree with you, but more to the point I want to know why people like Football Players get paid Millions of Pounds for kicking a bag of air around a field!! At least space exploration is expanding our knowledge as a race - can Football make the same claim?

David Beckhams Yearly Salary could probably support a few towns in Africa in luxery!

Originally posted by AgentSmith
At least space exploration is expanding our knowledge as a race - can Football make the same claim?

Most space exploration is funded by governments and the taxes they collect rather than a private enterprise.

look i rarely use the word stupid but i must in this situation. prophet you are negating one very important aspect of radio waves in space; they don't have to travel through anything, including atmoshperic interference. as well as the equipment NASA uses is about a billion (obvious exxaggeration) time stronger then anthing people here on earth use for everyday life. and you didn't stop there; no you actually had to go and say F-911 was factual and proved how much your lied to, what a load of #. moore's film, i'm sorry to tell you, was completely twisted facts. i'd be happy to tell you how exactly, just get in contact with me sometime.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
It must give the MODS a sense of power as much as they would try they can't keep the truth form coming out

What... So the MODS are the ones creating the conspiracy now? They're the ones that are trying to make us believe we can send radio signals 2.2 billion miles? Why the hell would someone even lie about something like that? This debate is growing tiresome, and you more and more Ignorant. As you can see the motto for this site is Deny Ignorance. So I'd be more than happy to show you to the Exit. My day is done here.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I have been warned by the MODS, for what I do not know, I did nothing different from anyone else here, I guess when you expose lies and deceptions you get banned here,

Maybe because you called the people on ATS "idiots" here.

When you violate the Terms & Conditions, you get warned.
2.) You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

Y'know.
Just in case anyone was thinking that there was some "other" reason for that red sticker.

On that note.....
I'd like to encourage y'all to dispute LDP's claims with facts and ideas, but regardless, personal attacks & name-calling won't be tolerated.

And a pleasant evening to one & all....

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Don't get me wrong I do agree with you, but more to the point I want to know why people like Football Players get paid Millions of Pounds for kicking a bag of air around a field!! At least space exploration is expanding our knowledge as a race

Perfectly right, AgentSmith, and I've wondered the same thing myself for quite a while. Why does the Cardiologist who saved my life (and the lives of many others) get paid a lot less than some footballer or cricketer ?

This world is well fecked, I can tell you that.

Originally posted by astroblade
you are negating one very important aspect of radio waves in space; they don't have to travel through anything, including atmoshperic interference. as well as the equipment NASA uses is about a billion (obvious exxaggeration) time stronger then anthing people here on earth use for everyday life.

Sorry dude, no disrespect, but your statement is a bit wrong in several fields.

Radio signals in space have a slurry of things they go trough like deformation and noise by radiation belts, spatial bodies, galactic radio interference and so on. But they aren't even near as deforming as what radio signals in our atmosphere go trough.

The equipment Nasa uses isn't all that much stronger either, not by far even. A satelite and rover on a planet aren't equiped with multi megawatt generators you know, far from even. Most of them are only equiped with some solar cells to power them.

What you do have is that pointing a radio signal in space is easyer then on earth, first, you have field of vision thats important, around earth you have to bounce your signals against the atmosphere or go trough satelites, with satelites you can go more or less straight.
The other important thing is the atmospheric disturbance you have, a billion other radio and other sources, the atmosphere itself and all the radio sources that seep into our atmosphere from space.

NASA uses something called the deep space network (DSN unsurprisingly) This a network of large dishes positioned around the world. They are I believe in Spain, North and South America. Such an array allows them to do what they want.

(Sorry if anyone has mentioned this but I did n`t have time to read in detail.)

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Any Electromagnetic wave will never end unless there is a disruption to it that causes it's energies to be absorbed.
If I fire photons (electromagnetic waves) at a metal, with enough luck and energy, the photons will be absorbed.
but other than that, there isnt many ways... I mean look, we are still looking at Microwave radiation from the Big Bang (well, 2 seconds after it), and that happened 12 billion years ago

For those interested in how NASA communicates with the satellites, and are aware it is scientifically possible,

www.nasa.gov...

CNN deals with tv which uses a completly dfferent
frequency to space travel

And mr prophet gawd whats up with you

*Smacks prophet round head with BIG mallet*

I haven't read this thread but radio waves are on the electromagnetic spectrum under a lower frequency.

Light is also on that spectrum.

Light can travel forever.

Radio waves can travel forever.

End of story.

They can degrade over distances due to interference, but if left unchecked it's safe to say they can go on forever.

And guys, don't try to prove anything to this guy. It's not possible.

The point at which you're willing to throw out proven science is when you've become too paranoid to even be apart of this group.

... anyway, those are my comments. Adiou.