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UK plans to block all porn in effort to 'protect children'

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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It's way too easy to access porn sites IMO.... all you need to do is click on the 'ENTER' tab that you see on most porn sites before entering... o, and it's usually accompanied by a question asking whether you are 18 or not.... wow! Not much chance of not getting into that site then is there????

Of course, parents can block sites but you will still get them....

I'm not too sure what else can be done really.... you want you kids to be safe.... they dont need to see this from an early age.... i'd say from about 14 years of age most children start watching it.... anything younger and its pretty bad i'd say....

How about not allowing entry unless you can prove your age is 16 or over? How to do this? Maybe they can open up a shop in your local area which requires you to go there to show your ID and then you'll be given a passkey or password to be able to use on these sites....




posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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you stated -- "This has nothing to do with pedophilia by the way, you just brought that up. Somehow blocking bangbus is going to have the effect of more pedophiles running around are you trying to say something about people in general?"

Now, i did not 'make-up' my concern about increased pedophile activity. The story reads "The UK's coalition government is discussing a plan that would see all pornographic websites automatically blocked in an effort to keep children from accessing them" ~~ it specifies ALL porn sites, not legal or illegal.

Whom do you think navigate the 'illegal' porn sites, your local pastor? -- i'm guessing the pedophiles for one, criminals, societal miscreants and possibly even a Congressperson or two (wouldn't surprise me one bit). Secondly, i have no desire or need to fear-monger ... tptb do just fine without my help. And lastly, if you consider porn mainstream ... you really should get out more !

"why not just do that instead of messing around with this" ... not sure of The reason but here's a reasonable analogy ... it's the Holidays, ppl are easily distracted -- you are holding the pie and the Knife ... do you cut evenly without a thought or do you consider your own hunger, first? Notice, i'm not saying where the knife falls, that is yet to be determined but consider the 'options' before the decision makers.

This is not about protecting children as much as it is about micro-managing every aspect of your life.
Wikileaks, paypal, credit companies, google not giving you any 'pause' yet?

considering these quotes are from the OPs story link ... "We are not coming at this from an anti-porn perspective. We just want to make sure children aren't stumbling across things we don't want them to see," Conservative member of parliament Claire Perry said ~~ and ~~ "If other companies aren't going to do it of their own volition, then maybe they should be leant on." -- Please, tell me again how this protects the children any better than we already do today?
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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You do know that it works by looking for certain amounts of fleshy tones right?

Turn google safe search up to max, and type in "Leg spread Lucy" (ok, maybe not that, but something kinky), and you won't find porn. Mind you, knock safe search off and no matter what you put in, no matter how innocent, you will get beef curtains.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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No pedophiles are most likely already dealing with blocks they will be in the "need/want to bypass group", If I could find that article "fiction piece" *not going to happen
* you will see what was having to be dealt with in that regard.

No you need to get out more if you think porn isn't mainstream, shall we list some things that really aren't mainstream? Let me just throw LARP in to the ring


It dosen't that's what I've been saying it's a completely unworkable system with so many holes it's not even funny.

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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no offense here but i'm guessing you haven't explored the contents between the mattress of any normal 10-12yr old boy, have you? if not there, how 'bout their clubhouse or their gathering place near the bushes or in the backseat of their Scout leaders' car ... hey, it happens.

The govt has no business in our private business in any manner, shape or form. and let's not forget, this is the internet ... we're not talking exclusive listing for the UK, this is exclusive USAGE of the UK listing ... read carefully.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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British citizen: May I haz muh pr0n pleeze

Overlord: Sure, see..easy, wasn't it

Citizen: Ya, tks, hae, wait! This is not muh pr0n! this is just 45 year old topless hags smoking

Overlord: Hardcore yank porn is not legal in the UK. we helped you by removing that stuff

Citizen: K, tks..I is going to blow up something now. bie.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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I think it blocks words, strict safe surf wont let me search the web/pics or vid for pussy


Yank porn
we have Europe next door thanks.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by aivlas
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I think it blocks words, strict safe surf wont let me search the web/pics or vid for pussy


Yank porn
we have Europe next door thanks.
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Sadly, that also is not legal in the UK

basically, anything hardcore..or even like..medium..core is not allowed in the UK.

for the children and whatnot.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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United Kingdom

The sale or distribution of hardcore pornography through any channel was prohibited until the rules were relaxed in 2002, however the rules are still quite strict [1]. The possession of pornographic images for private use has never been an offence in the UK. This means that UK citizens have always been able to access content on sites overseas without breaking any laws, except for child pornography.[citation needed]

Adult pornography that falls under the Government's classification of "extreme pornography" is illegal to possess as of January 26, 2009, carrying a three year prison sentence. This was proposed by the Government after the murder of Jane Longhurst, claiming that such material was viewed by murderer Graham Coutts[23][24]. Critics of the law point out that the law will criminalise images of legal acts between consenting adults [25][26] and have criticised the lack of evidence of a link between viewing such material, and violent crime[27]. The perils behind the law are debated in the 2010 documentary Hanging Perverts.

Internet service providers started the Internet Watch Foundation in 1996 to watch for pornographic content that is in violation of British law and report it to the police. The web filter Cleanfeed is used by the largest ISP BT Group to block sites on the IWF's list which includes sites that are "criminally obscene" as well as child pornography.[28]. The government ordered all ISPs to have a cleanfeed system by the end of 2007.


en.wikipedia.org...

Get your pitchforks, sites are already being blocked, who would of thought it


This is a plan by people who have no idea how the internet works and how much work this would involve. It would be easier to shut down the net than to try and block all the porn, unless they look at every thing that everyone in england is doing online then all they can do is basically top shelf it.
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People selling adult videos, including pornography, to children are to escape prosecution after the discovery of a Whitehall blunder that means that the 1984 law regulating the video industry was never enacted.

The disclosure that for 25 years the Act governing the classification and sale of videos, video games and now DVDs was never brought into force is a big embarrassment to both Conservative and Labour governments.


www.timesonline.co.uk...

Yeah

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by aivlas
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No pedophiles are most likely already dealing with blocks they will be in the "need/want to bypass group", If I could find that article "fiction piece" *not going to happen
* you will see what was having to be dealt with in that regard.

No you need to get out more if you think porn isn't mainstream, shall we list some things that really aren't mainstream? Let me just throw LARP in to the ring


It dosen't that's what I've been saying it's a completely unworkable system with so many holes it's not even funny.

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hey hey, no need to be nasty ... i thought i was being funny with "you need to get out more" ... apologies if not received that way.

Perhaps in the UK and other countries pedos are effectively jumping blocks but they have few if any here. We are constantly catching wannabees connecting with children (or so they thought) on the net and frequently there is no smut or porn involved ... just text, arrangements and intent.
So, i don't understand how this proposal helps there or here, should it float. There especially, considering 'go arounds' have already been constructed, tested and used. What does anyone really think this will ACCOMPLISH ?? That is the million dollar question.

LARP ?? what does that have to do with mainstream anything ?? ummm, does colonial role play count?? or war re-enactments? we didn't have avatars or a digital environment back then and i'm really not interested now but family is so i'm familiar ... how does that figure in except as a potential exclusion?

i've since read your posts second guessing your original stated opinion and congrats for giving it the concentration it deserves. This is nothing to fluff over or pretend 'it's no big deal'. It is everyone's freedom not just those desiring porn.

I like the option to opt-out ... it is already instituted, tested and functional ... why change what does work for those motivated enough to employ it? There is no such thing as preventing/restricting access for those who really desire it.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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What bothers me about this government idea of filtering things is they could spend far less by educating parents, a simple little advertising campaign, an easy to use website, a few leaflets and you're done. Distribute the leaflets to schools and hand them out on parents evening, done and sorted with minimal cost and far more effective than the goernment actively filtering internet traffic.

You're absolutely right it is the parents responsibility to check what their children are up to, why exactly should everyone else have a freedom removed because some parents are not doing their jobs?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by woogleuk
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You do know that it works by looking for certain amounts of fleshy tones right?

Turn google safe search up to max, and type in "Leg spread Lucy" (ok, maybe not that, but something kinky), and you won't find porn. Mind you, knock safe search off and no matter what you put in, no matter how innocent, you will get beef curtains.


I know how filtering works and if parents want to really control what their kids see online then they'll need to use more than googles search filter. Software for parents to control what their kids do online is easy to use and a quick search on amazon shows tons of it giving all sorts of features, including the ability to lock the internet for use between certain times, an individual block list, chat monitor blah blah etc.

Parents need to start parenting insstead of expecting the government to do it.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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And we're assisting yet again how new laws are created. Too bad the assholes among the masses keep feeding Big Brother by helping create new laws and boundaries. Unfortunately, the government has to do it cause they can't behave like descent responsible human beings. When they've #ed up their own society with their own stupidity, it's still the government monster's(that they've created) fault. Then of course, it is still a higher authority who has to fix the problem because the "children" can't get along when it comes to wrong and right!

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
My personal feeling is that this has VERY little to do with pornography, or 'protecting children' per se, and much more to do with Big brother finding another way to creep in and institute internet policing and control of ANY content.

Start with one subject that many will likely not oppose. Get full control of it. Then onto the next subject, on and on.

This is all about CONTROL.


Hi, not sure I can agree with you, you may wish to get more background material on the story. Culture minister Ed Vaizey was quoted from an interview in the Times about who would be able to access porn sites based upon their age - it was suggesting opt in required with some form of age verification being required. I'm not actually sure if that is a bad thing, but ISPs have already said that it's unlikely to be unworkable.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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The issue at hand is parenting.

The parents should take responsibility of their children if they're exposed to sex or violence at a young age...and these days it's impossible to keep them away from seeing such fun content

Here's some advice to the complaining parents: Watch your kids and shut the F up.

But of course, you can't just admit that you f'd up, so you have to blame the entertainment industry and get government involved.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Mastermook
When I hear things like this, it helps me more appreciate living in America. For as we all know, our government is growing and taking more control over its citizens, but at least we have our Bill of Rights, and Constitution, and 3 Branch government, which is slowing down the erosion of our freedoms. Please i mean no offense to any citizens of other countries out there, but America was built on the idea of freedom and democracy, which other countries in the world claim to be democratic, such as France, Russia, etc. But it is not a true democracy.

Then I think about places like North Korea, or China, that are just ridiculously dictatorial countries and I really appreciate what we have. We as American citizens can prevent this censorship in our own country.
but it's going to take work, we need to get off our lazy butts and do some parenting. Teach our kids to know the difference between right and wrong. Guide them in their decision making, and if the stoves hot, they'll get burned and learn for themselves.

Being a poor parent or lazy parent is no excuse not to raise children right, or have your government do it for you. If that's the case then you shouldn't be reproducing. The next generation is already being bred to think it's okay for the government to interfere or control us. they're okay with having cameras and monitors on the school laptops,
and video cameras on every street corner. If we wait any longer to do something about this no one else will, because the next generation isn't going to know any different.


I don't agree with porn, I think it is unhealthy for people to watch porn,it destroys the reality of what love really is. I also think it's degrading for both men and women, and racist. Porn isn't what it used to be, with 2 consensual adults having sex and being videotaped, porn today is violent and degrading, and I do believe people act out what they see on porn and think it's okay, or it's what women want. and That is NOT TRUE.

But i also believe in the right to view it, and think it's up to the individual to do something about it, not the government.


Errrm, what has this to do with making you grateful you live in America? The idea has come from the Witherspoon institute, which is...... American!



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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So me just repeating what you said but changing it slightly is nasty? but you writing it is funny?

LARP is not mainstream, porn is.
Dateline is not cool
I think the idea of this block is unworkable
I think the people who want/need to get around it will and the masses wont care either way
I don't think it has anything to do with pedophilia
I don't think it will increase acts of pedophilia off line
"you have absolutely no idea do you? this wont stop pedophilia at all." Was misworded I apologize deeply and it was cleared up in this post

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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I remember when I was 11 (1991) I found a video under my parents mattress, so naturally I went and put it on, I couldn't really understand German, but I do remember wondering why the women had more body hair than the men (armpit hair on a girl is just not sexy)



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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Wow, I am really getting sick and tired of "moral people" and parents thinking they need the world to censor itself according to their wants. You want the internet censored, then you go out and buy a program to do it, period. You don't want your kid to see a boob on TV, than don't subscribe to a pay channel, or learn to program your cable box with a password on channels that will show a boob. Morality is subjective you know, not everyone thinks natural things like nudity and sex is obscene. Not everyone believes their kids need to be coddled and protected, some of us feel that does more harm than good. How are you supposed to teach kids how to survive in real life, when they are shielded and even branded criminals for doing natural things?
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