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UK plans to block all porn in effort to 'protect children'

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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This must have been said in 6 pages but when I read the story the first thing I thought was doesnt this mean you're all children?

If blocking it all is to protect the children then your government must see you all as children.




posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:31 AM
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I don’t think that this has much to do with child protection at all….. It actually has a lot with politician being extremely uneasy about the anarchic nature of the internet. When I write “Anarchic” I mean free and unpoliced.

The funny thing is that these same politician shout themselves hoarse at the evils of totalitarian governments. To day porn, tomorrow free speech.

If these idiots believe this will stop young people’s natural curiosity about sex then I have several bridges to sell them.

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:35 AM
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Haha

As A kid in the 70s my mother once commented about my library that was stored between the mattress and springs of my bed! Sheesh. I thought I was going to die of embarrasment! I don't think this ban will prevent much at all.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by Honor93


Now please, step back and re-evaluate your child's rights ... is your child age 18 or emancipated and an American ?? if no to either question, they have no rights. Care to try again.
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Say's it all really doesnt it....and you have the hide to wonder why people hate these 'values'.
"If it aint "free" 'merikan and over rootable age it hasnt got rights" yeah right.. ..will be sure to pass that one on :/

Still..you are of course entitled to your own personal world view....wether or not it includes the reality that other people may view freedom differently to you.


try this though:
www.cirp.org...

and here:

www.cirp.org...

Forget 'out there' even..and just try looking at a child one day and telling them they have no rights.

As the ultimate bearers of the consequences of our actions and inactions..they have EVERY right.

There is an entire world of people out here, out side of rutting = freedom viewpoints who are standing up for childrens rights...who dont need to be told children have inherent human rights or have those rights explained to them, they just 'know' they just 'get it'.
These people dont need to be taught how to restrain themselves and be adult, they've already grown up, they naturally respect the rights of others as they respect themselves....they are people who own their own bodies and minds and dont need or desire to exert control over others by adding to the demand for child porn and sexual insanity by feeding it or condoning it in silence..people who know that restraint is a sign of maturity it isnt restriction and they've learned 'free' sex isnt and they know that sex is not the pinicale of human experience or all there is to life love and living. Call me whatever you like I dont care. Im not ashamed to be one of them.


If you think the absence or presence of censorship is the only key to freedom though, its not me thats wrong or deluded. Im not the sheep being led to believe that deception. Freedom, real freedom can't be won or had for long without claiming the burden of responsibility and vigilance. It cant ever be an earned or just freedom if it exists at the expense of the lives freedoms and rights of others...especially the rights TO life, of children.

Maybe one day you will get that ....but by the looks of it, not any time soon.

g'night...


R


what you misunderstand is this has nothing to do with values, it is Law and apparently one that is being manipulated as we discuss it. Please keep your values in your family and i'll do same. This is public access we are discussing not private or corporate or govt (well govt access to your privacy but that's another topic)

Our values have no place or horse in this race. Your values are yours to manage and same for all ... this is about the freedom you seem ok and almost happy to discard. As you are entitled to your opinion, please respect the opinion of others. I still greatly value freedom and possibly greater than any other (liberty is right up there but you cannot have one without the other, cool huh?)

look, you want to change the American laws, be my guest but don't blast me cause they are written well before me and have standing long after me .. take that argument to the SC. Minors are minors for multiple reasons ... one of the greatest being ... they REQUIRE guidance. Therein lies the problem.

You may choose to have someone else provide their guidance but most humans prefer the parental input. There are plenty of countries that offer govt guidance, perhaps your preference would be better received, there.

In the USA, since its inception (nothing new) children are guided by their parents until age 18 or emancipation ... shame that you are of the opinion this is some kind of new thing. Rights exercised by adults are not often granted to children. Children do not have the mental faculties (biologically, emotionally or physically) to engage in such activities nor to form an opinion regarding such. Hence, adults, mentors, advisors, teachers, counselors, clubs and lawyers. If you are not American, i wouldn't expect you to understand.

you dare say -- "Forget 'out there' even..and just try looking at a child one day and telling them they have no rights." -- guess that proves you're clueless ... first time was 1986, then again repeatedly through the 90s and still today, i am forced to repeat such rubbish (yes, it is) to my grands ... why?, because it's true.

and re this topic, it is not about child's rights, this is infringing on PUBLIC rights. When the children are old enough, they too will understand. i will do you the courtesy of watching/reading your links but save comment until i am familiar with the content. I am sure there are plenty of societal exceptions where children (less than 18) manage tribal duties, families and economics ... however, that is not the status quo in the UK or the USA.

I did't call u any names ... i leave that to the 'other' types of posters. if you cannot handle a reasonable debate inclusive of current events and facts, please find someone else to engage in conversation. Your prudish values are of no concern to me, like i said, keep it in your house, please.

No actually, i am positive freedom from censorship is the key to freedom for all. Mind, body and spirit. When ppl are spiritually strong enough to censor themselves, then will we see true progress on all fronts ... until such enlightenment, we are doomed to continue participating in some imaginary power struggle.

Thanks for this ... i always find it humorous for persons who are not intimate with freedom to declare they KNOW anything about it --> "Freedom, real freedom can't be won or had for long without claiming the burden of responsibility and vigilance. It cant ever be an earned or just freedom if it exists at the expense of the lives freedoms and rights of others...especially the rights TO life, of children"
~~ should read: Freedom, real freedom can ONLY be maintained through diligence, sacrifice, participation and vigilance. Though the sacrifices be many, justification is found in the willingness of the volunteers who give their lives in defense of it. As all life is precious, without freedom humans merely exist. ~~ there, fixed that for ya


The greatest gift of human life is the freedom to choose. This is always worth defending, this is always a noble cause and this is why this American says NO to censorship. Enjoy it in the UK, the pedophiles will be at your doors shortly ... no net access, flesh and blood does seem more appealing now doesn't it?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:39 AM
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Just saw this.

So bearing in mind the Asbo laws are what they used to sneak in the "free speech" zones, this looks like round 2.

So we have riots in the streets, we have parts of glasgow (and soon to be more of the UK) where 2 or more poeple on the street together is illegal and now they want to filter ALL "adult content", Sersiously how long until we have death squads roaming the streets, this is just getting ridiculous now!. (Also "Adult content" is subjective, who decides whats "adult". Will this included 18 cert movies & games? (since porn in the UK is 18 cert))

Its funny, when I was a kid you would find porn in the bush's in the park, didnt see the politicians out to remove all bushes from the parks!

Also as a computer technician of many years I would like to point out that since the intoduction of windows 7 (and even vista), parental controls consist of about 3 mouse clicks, it is so stupidly easy to set up, there is literally is NO REASON for ISP's to do this, other than restrict our access to items they dont want us to see! (there are also DOZENS of 3rd party programs that'll do it just as easily on ALL Operating systems!)

Its really unbelievable how quickly this is all happening, it looks like they are done even pretending we live in a free society, the good thing is , this will effect enough of the lemmings that more of them might actually start paying attention!

One last thought, if the Govt is making ISP's do this, is the govt then saying the ISP's are responsible for this? Hense leaving them open to lots & LOTS of lawsuits. For example "My kids mind is warped because of the porn he watched via his virgin media internet connection" So if the govt are saying its the ISP's responibility to stop this content getting to kids, should the ISP not be liable for the porn that is getting to kids now? Meaning if they accept this law are they not accepting they have been "damaging" kids? for all these years?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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well they wont. 2.82 Billion $ biz has something to say before is taken down.

www.switched.com...



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 07:56 AM
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kudos for not only mentioning the lack of need but also the 'liability' factor.
now i'm wondering ... if i'm a household that 'opts-in' and minor children frequent my home (for any number of reasons) but one or more of them 'happen' across some images or text not meant for minor eyes ... where does the liability come in to play? Is it the ISP ... shouldn't be cause i opted in ... is it my responsibility to lock my computers (effectively micro-managing my household) when minors are present? where is the legal line exactly, anybody know?



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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THIS IS F*#*ING TERRIBLE...I have a sucky imagination. So what now I have to get back with my ex. They may aswell shut the entire Fn internet down. I may as well just die.Very


I have to go now and fill up my new 1TB HD b4 its too late.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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ohhhh Rosha, poor mis-guided Rosha ... the UN ??? are u freaking kiddin me? you're going to rely on the UN Convention (re-written since 1924) as some basis of individual rights? surely you jest.

so, since i'm line by line familiar, please ... which of the 10 principles applies, in your interpretation? To protect them ... that they are named and nationalized upon birth ... that they are not discrminated against ... that they are not to be exploited but protected from such ... or maybe, the stipulations outlined in Principle 7 ??? you know, the one that says -- snip -- "The best interests of the child shall be the guiding principle of those responsible for his education and guidance; that responsibility lies in the first place with his parents."

Do tell Rosha, just which of these UN Principles does the whole of the Internet violate? 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9 or all of 'em? Wouldn't parental supervision be in-line with the UN document you presented ? Where does it indicate that ANY govt intervention from any country would be necessary? please, i await your 'intellectual' input.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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I would like to see how they plan on doing this. I have a friend who lives in China, in fact he is a member here. He told me that it is impossible for him to view youtube and other videos, because of the censorship there. I sent him a copy of PC Linux through the mail, and instructions on how to configure Firefox with AutoProxy and now he can go anywhere he likes, including porn sites. Things like this are easily gotten around by those who are savvy in the computer world.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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Chavs being stopped hanging around together when they constantly break the law is a good thing in my eyes, should go further and lock them up.

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I would also like to know this, I've been trying to get an answer from the members of ATS crying the end but they always seem to skip over answering it.
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The greatest gift of human life is the freedom to choose. This is always worth defending, this is always a noble cause and this is why this American says NO to censorship. Enjoy it in the UK, the pedophiles will be at your doors shortly ... no net access, flesh and blood does seem more appealing now doesn't it?


you have absolutely no idea do you? this wont stop pedophilia at all.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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I have ask the ISP "can you unlock pornhub and redtube please?". Screw that...

This PC nonsense is ridiculous. The Govt is so out of touch that they don't realise in schools all across the nation porn runs rampant it'spart of growing up. My dad told me him and his mates during high school used to watch the local whores and get nudie mags. Nowadays its done via mobiles and handheld games consoles.

When i was in school (not that long ago) i got a passed on bluetooth video of the hottest girl in our year doing a striptease in her bathroom for her BF. Not to long after i got photo's of more explicit content of her so to speak
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This won't change anything but it's another spike into our privacy.

Instead of this they should focus on REAL problems. Another failure of the Con-dems. That's what we should CONDEMN them to death.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
My personal feeling is that this has VERY little to do with pornography, or 'protecting children' per se, and much more to do with Big brother finding another way to creep in and institute internet policing and control of ANY content.

Start with one subject that many will likely not oppose. Get full control of it. Then onto the next subject, on and on.

This is all about CONTROL.


If this does come into effect and you have to opt in to have unfiltered internet access.

It will certainly be very easy to know if your partner watches porn by using a search engine and clicking a link, after all it would not be filtered would it? Let the arguments ensue in certain homes if this would be the case


I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of other sites might be filtered, not just porn sites.
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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£10 bet ATS and Wikileaks are a couple of them
, They are already censored at my workplace
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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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Pornography has been brought to the front to screw up the minds of the young.
Now they want to censor it.

Hahaha. Are they the bigger fools to assume we can't see, or are we really the fools who fall into the trap knowingly all the time??



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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I think its a good thing initially, look at some Parents today....Technophobes..... they don't even know how to switch a computer on. Yet these same parents have to allow their children internet access for school work etc. and they don't have a clue what they're actually looking at in reality. So in this respect it is a good plan.

BUT I said Initially, with the ability to block certain sites in place and seemingly legal and approved.......whats stopping them from blocking other sites
WiLks, ATS, PrisonPlanet, Infowars to name but a few. A wolf in sheep's clothing? I think so.

It would be nice to think they were actually thinking of our children but looking at the history of the "US" and their antics, you'd have to be one of the sheeple to take it on face value. Yes I said US because it seems the headless state that I used to be proud of "UK" doesn't do anything unilaterally these days.
You can imagine the phone calls......"we'll promise you blar if you start the ball rolling". Lets see what we get.....I'd put money on it if I had the inclination.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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The thing about the UK govt is, that they are sly.

They will say one thing and then do something els, I can only see this law been used on other internet sites in the future.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by aivlas


The greatest gift of human life is the freedom to choose. This is always worth defending, this is always a noble cause and this is why this American says NO to censorship. Enjoy it in the UK, the pedophiles will be at your doors shortly ... no net access, flesh and blood does seem more appealing now doesn't it?


you have absolutely no idea do you? this wont stop pedophilia at all.
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and just what is wrong with your comprehension today? i never said the proposal would stop pedophilia, just the opposite. With open net access, the pedos are not as active in the public as they would be without ... take their internet porn (legal and illegal) away and see what happens.

If you are going to join the end of a conversation, you should try reading all of it, first. I am not a fan of this proposal and nothing Rosha has put forth changes my opinion or concerns for all children, everywhere. Protection begins at home, not the govt. Security begins with you, not the govt. Liberty and Freedom are not ideals, they are a way of life and this aims to destroy that ... all of that.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Good catch and good call.

It starts with censoring porn, ends with Big Brother controlling all the content - "for our own good."



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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I can see the UK saying lots and doing little... having had to implement EU laws when they have been transposed into the UK laws, a simple 8 Page thingy turns into a 90 page monster that is impossible to implement and has more loop holes than a sieve *shakes head*

If I have learnt anything my Gov can only work in half arsed mode.




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