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Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by Rosha
You know Rosha...
I will say one thing that could almost be considered a compromise
Years ago, they were talking about instituting a .xxx domain and any adult websites should use the .xxx extension.
If they decided to break out a few different ones like that .xx1, .xx2, .xx3 lets say, and required all adult sites and services to use one of those domains...I would be in favor of it.
Then its as simple as limiting access on your personal computer to exclude any .xx1 xx2 or xx3 extensions...problem solved.
The opting in leaves a paper trail for the household that could and will be used for blackmail, for insinuation, and ultimately for very negative consequences.
the censorship -must- remain in the household and anonymous. but the government can spend some time, if they truely were trying to help out familys, by regulating what extensions an adult website must use.
I bet you won't hear much about that though...because this measure is NOT to protect kids...its to capitalize and control..and get people used to government regulation of information, followed by censorship
You want to fight for protection of kids from porn online...fight for that measure that most agree with.
No, I was always a supporter of that measure and wondered why it never got much traction..of course, this was 15 years ago so it wasn't as large as it was now..but I seen where the internet was going back then, and thought it would have been much easier to introduce the domains back then.
Originally posted by Rosha
As far as I knew the sex industry was offered the xx domain compromise years ago..they refused to self regulate and used people such as yourself to whip up a 'oh no censorship' fluff then which allowed them to continue on because no governement elected via money and popularity had the balls to do it anyway.
Also, if you think that there is no paper trail NOW...that every site you go to isnt already tracked..every credit card porn buy up isnt already 'paper trailed' and couldn't be used for nefarious ends right now...then you'd be seriously niave. Its a poor excuse to uphold fear adn individual want in order to deny children the rights and freedoms they need and are inherrently are entitled to.
Originally posted by dipswitch
Like a walled garden where our generous ISPs provide us with generic, ad laden, mindless websites with out standard connection charge and in order to see ANYTHING else on the net we will have to pay for the priviledge.
Unfortunately though I'm beginning to feel like Facebook and other entertainment type sites are what is generally considered the Internet these days and I'm not sure whether many would notice the difference if sites like ATS were restricted
Originally posted by SaturnFX
No, I was always a supporter of that measure and wondered why it never got much traction..of course, this was 15 years ago so it wasn't as large as it was now..but I seen where the internet was going back then, and thought it would have been much easier to introduce the domains back then.
Originally posted by Rosha
As far as I knew the sex industry was offered the xx domain compromise years ago..they refused to self regulate and used people such as yourself to whip up a 'oh no censorship' fluff then which allowed them to continue on because no governement elected via money and popularity had the balls to do it anyway.
Another thing I am a fan of is the overhaul of all the domains. .sci for peer reviewed scientific articles, .pub for news and other publications, etc.
the country code is simply stupid for a decentralised utility.
Also, if you think that there is no paper trail NOW...that every site you go to isnt already tracked..every credit card porn buy up isnt already 'paper trailed' and couldn't be used for nefarious ends right now...then you'd be seriously niave. Its a poor excuse to uphold fear adn individual want in order to deny children the rights and freedoms they need and are inherrently are entitled to.
Thats a different argument all together. yes, the ISPs have no right in holding the information they have for their clients. That in itself is a breach of trust between client and provider..and that fight is raging on elsewhere.
The internet is, to people like me, sort of like holy ground. It is the one scrap of freedom left on earth and the one thing that, so long as it is left untamed, will be what pulls us out of primitive violent society and into a bright future.
With anything, there are dingy areas, however, it is better to personally navigate through what you don't want verses give way to the iron fist of overbearing government start clamping down on the information flow.
Give them an inch and they will take the entire net. This is not some paranoid delusion. Here in the states, they have been trying really hard to remove net neutrality (aka, make the net a subscription package thing verses a do what you want thing)..
Check my newest thread out.
Hopefully you will see how it really isn't about the kindhearted world governments trying to make sure poor timmy never knows what a breast is...its something very dark and threatens to eliminate this progress machine that can topple entire governments with reason. I understand how a single piece of law here, a regulation there can at the time seem great...and no doubt all totalitarianism sounded pretty good initially with some rules here, changes there..clamp down on this for protection, etc.
Originally posted by Rosha
Good points...and I agree re the domain issue wholeheartedly.
That said, while you were making that point, several hundred thousand of the 1.4 million children abused each day around the world were sexually abused and their images displayed against their will on the internet for porn profit.
Over 1 million *individual*child porn images from the internet were collected by Operation Centurion in one hour...OC, being one single operation that only went on for less than 13,000 hours.
So many images and links to victims of paedophiles were found the operation had to prioritise who to rescue in order of utter grossness of the acts.
"Some of the images involve adults as well as children. The children range from babies to 18 years of age and they come from various countries. The real tragedy of this is that we don't know the origins of a lot of these children. We don't know whether these children are still being the victims of child abuse"
"In the 76 hours that the images were on the website, it received an extraordinary 12 million hits from almost 150,000 computers from 170 countries, including more than 2800 from Australia."
THESE are the people using people like YOU to hide behind, to qualify their existance, to legitimise their sexual 'freedom'.
How do you supose, without 'closing the door'...we protect these kids?
Not next year...tonight? Today?
Do you not think these kids deserve our best effoprt to protect them, our self restraint and some maturity on sexual issues?
Am I as an individual prepared to forgo my right to view *porn* completely or have a muzzle placed on how I can access porn in order to aid in their protection?
For one child, yes...for a million kids..you bet I am.
I dont *need* porn.
I do need to sleep with my own conscience each night.
Rosha.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Dipswitch:
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Your conspiracy theory is actually a dead on fact...and they aren't even being subtle about it anymore
I didnt respond to you because as I wrote, this isnt an issue of censorship or even about the morality of porn per say- it is about changing how people ACCESS porn..thats all..the rest ' omg they're taking away my freedom' is hype and fear mongering....as I wrote..this proposal would actually give YOU and everyone else BACK a freedom already stolen!
Yes though, and IMO, it is is about wider social consequences and a lack of responsibility and it is also about upholding childrens' rights and children DO have rights - you get that dont you?
Google any point I made in my post and you will find a hundred articles thesis and diatribes on the issue for and against censoring porn, but very few on THIS topic which is - OPTING IN rather than OPTING OUT.
The research hasnt been done on that topic..on THIS topic yet and wont ever if people like you dont give it a chance to get off the ground to SEE the alternative in action! Its easy to win an argument when you dont let the other side have a voice or chance to proove itself!
As for the rest..the other debate thats not on topic...well, I am not obliged to educate you to what is an obvious social problem to those who can read or see...and a non existent one to those who dont care, dont want to know or think they live in vaccumes where conseqences dont apply to them or only appy to them... but here, I'll do your work for you this one time...
More to MY moral point - what if it was YOUR daughter banging five guys and getting pissed on and facials for fun and profit..what then? What if it was your son a bunch of dickheads were jacking into?...your wife getting done on some video by 100 blokes in a race to see how many guys she could # to brake some sick record? Or maybe your mother frragging some guy young enough to be your son?...How would YOU feel if YOUR son or daughter was jerking off to that? Is that really how you want your kids to know sex? Themselves?
Really? You DONT find a problem with it? Do you care? Does it matter?
Originally posted by Honor93
Now please, step back and re-evaluate your child's rights ... is your child age 18 or emancipated and an American ?? if no to either question, they have no rights. Care to try again.
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Originally posted by Gnarly
Quite a few of the links you posted are bogus links. Don't work. Others are ALL OVER THE FREAKING PLACE, so instead of just giving me a link, direct me to the page(s) out of quite a few so I don't have to spend a few hours reading a whole bunch of other completely useless crap. I don't think I saw any actual data, just a bunch of tangent links and cartoons. Things like how females who were abused early in life are most likely to repeat such events, WHICH IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Please, provide me with some ACTUAL INFORMATION, AND PAGE NUMBERS. Now, let's start again.
Please, quote me where I was fear mongering. I hope you can, cause I doubt you can.
Okay, children have rights, but also everyone else. What rights are being taken away from the children? Well, if they view the porn, they are committing a crime and surely must be held responsible. They have that right, right? To be held accountable for their actions.
Instead of telling me to Google something when I ask for links, please provide a link. This does nothing to help your credibility.
Why should I have to opt in when I already have to pay a monthly fee just to have the internet? If you are so scared of a child see a naked body, you shouldn't allow your children pretty much anywhere outside the house.
Go outside and see some nice cleavage, or a really short skirt. You know they actually ban skirts in a town in Italy because it's too sexual? WHY NOT START DOING THAT TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN? No one is forcing a kid to use the internet, and it's usually the parent allowing the kid to us it, KNOWING FULL WELL WHATS ON THE INTERNET.
So, there has been no research on the damage a child sees when they view porn in the internet? I am reading that right, right?
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As for the rest..the other debate thats not on topic...well, I am not obliged to educate you to what is an obvious social problem to those who can read or see...and a non existent one to those who dont care, dont want to know or think they live in vaccumes where conseqences dont apply to them or only appy to them... but here, I'll do your work for you this one time...
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What are you even talking about?
For the first link, how you say the children are telling us how they don't want to be sexualized, I don't see one single bit of that. All I see is a .pdf in a FREAKING BILL FORMAT, my god, with a bunch of he said she said bull****. No hard data. Also, something interesting from the link is how everywhere else in the real world the kids are being sexualized. Why not just get rid of every single billboard, every sexual commercial, anything sexual, because adults can't fun since it will hurt the children.
If my daughter were to do that FOR FUN, I would okay. Why? TO EACH HIS OWN.
What people do for pleasure doesn't degrade who they are, if it's not hurting anyone.
Nothing matters once we die.