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UK plans to block all porn in effort to 'protect children'

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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 
nothing like going to the extreme with trying to make a point.
of course your argument is in favor of letting this sort of thing run free.
So since you have the answers,.. how should this be resolved




posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
reply to post by SaturnFX
 
nothing like going to the extreme with trying to make a point.
of course your argument is in favor of letting this sort of thing run free.
So since you have the answers,.. how should this be resolved




I said it already

Parents should be parents. Install net nanny or one of the other plethoras of content control software on the computer and...take an active part in your kids life.

I do not have kids. I do not want to feel even a little inconvenienced because someone cannot be bothered to watch after their kid

"Hey, guess what...I knocked some girl up..now you are going to pay for my mistake..because we suck at parenting...yay!"

ya...erm...no..deal with the kid yourself.

Now, if the state wants to put requirements to breed..I am ALL for that. that is my facist showing (we all got it).



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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I would laugh my ass off if this was the last straw and the UK's populace overthrew the government.
Somehow I can see that happening...



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

UK plans to block all porn in effort to 'protect children'


www.rawstory.com

The UK's coalition government is discussing a plan that would see all pornographic websites automatically blocked in an effort to keep children from accessing them.

Under the proposed plan, which appears to have the backing of Britain's major Internet service providers, the government would provide ISPs a list of objectionable websites, which the ISPs would automatically block. An Internet surfer would then have to "opt in" to be allowed to see the content.

(visit the link for the full news article)




Be sure to acknowledge prior to bouncing off panic and freedom of speech walls, that this isnt an "anti porn" agenda or issue...this is just turning the tables and represents the begining of an "opt in" instead of the current "opt out" process - so you will still be able to get your porn..but our kids wont have to see it every time they type in 'Santas couch' and get redirected to ' santa's little helper' in a g string giving head:/

Its a responsible and sensible approach to a difficult problem - imo of course.

Rosha

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Rosha.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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So you think every parent should get net nanny but you wont allow the government to put in its own version to protect kids? and when they do you cry nanny state...jeez give me a break.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX










I do not have kids. .


this is all I needed to understand why you answered why you did.
edit on 19-12-2010 by Lil Drummerboy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Its solved through education and through sensible legislation.

Teaching people its not ok to let a 10 year old loose with a 3g mobile phone. Teaching people the internet is the largest most cosmopolitan 'downtown' area that has ever existed and you shouldn't let your children loose unsupervised.

If thats not enough legislate that all internet enabled consumer devices sold must have a parental lock and a content filter that auto-updates.

Legislate that internet enabled devices cannot be sold to minors and make doing so a crime.

There are ways to protect children without giving carte blanche for censorship. Filtering is fine but it should be under the choice of the device purchaser.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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um yea, this is creepy. what happens 20 years from now when women's groups or child protection groups want the list of people who opt in published for safety reasons. or when the list of objectionable content grows to include other kinds of speech. ridiculous.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
reply to post by SaturnFX
 
nothing like going to the extreme with trying to make a point.
of course your argument is in favor of letting this sort of thing run free.
So since you have the answers,.. how should this be resolved




I said it already

Parents should be parents. Install net nanny or one of the other plethoras of content control software on the computer and...take an active part in your kids life.



Why should I have to pay to opt out? When its YOU who wants the porn not me? Shouldnt it be 'user pays' ?

Why should 'everyone' pay to fulfill your need to jerk off?

Why shouldnt the mental soveriegnty and health of children be considered the highest social importance?

Why should any child be exposed to pornography just because he wishes to use the public internet? Should it by that reasoning, be perfectly ok for porn films to be shown in public supermarkets and public libraries too, school grounds, cafes?

Why is your personal sexual gratification and voyerism more important than our collective responsibility for all of our childrens safety and psychological wellbeing?

Do you enjoy living in a society where 8 yr olds are now raping 4 yr olds? You think access or exposure to porn has nothing to do with this?


Rosha



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

I will leave it up to the individual to decide whether this is a good or bad thing.

Taking the content out of the equation, I doubt that many would be cheering this type of Big Brother control on.



If you read the proposal, this action actually gives the consumer back control....and hands back the rights and responsibilities to YOU that until now have been in the hands of pornographers and the media....to opt in in this way enables you to make conscious choices about what your viewing and what your kids have access to in your home, as oposed to having those choices taken away by people who dont care about your rights to choose or your kids wellbeing.


Rosha.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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ok so next they ban the sale of all porn.
films and magazines and toys.
very funny. they would never do that.
what about the porn in video games?
and all the violence?



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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One more time, for the last time. I'm too tired to continue.

This has nothing at all to do with porn. Be quite happy for porn to stop being made. However, i do not want the government to be able to restrict my access to the internet. I don't want the 'great firewall of the UK'.

This is the first baby step in government control of the internet for UK citizens. Anybody that thinks that where it starts is where it ends is dreaming.

I guess we'll see in time.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by justwokeup
One more time, for the last time. I'm too tired to continue.

This has nothing at all to do with porn. Be quite happy for porn to stop being made. However, i do not want the government to be able to restrict my access to the internet. I don't want the 'great firewall of the UK'.

This is the first baby step in government control of the internet for UK citizens. Anybody that thinks that where it starts is where it ends is dreaming.

I guess we'll see in time.



Where as I see it this as a first step to individuals reclaiming what really has been lost in our society that has allowed nefarious groups and governements to seize control of mind and body - personal responsibility for their actions and choices.


Rosha.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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This can be done, our legal system is very like Australias and they have banned a whole slew of things. The UK also has bans on violent and some fetish pornography so the legal precidents are there to make this happen and the technology isn't difficult to implement as ISP's already have systems in place to ban certain websites. However it won't work, it's easy enough to circumvent filtering and anyone who wants to can learn how within 5 minutes of internet searching.

I think the government rather underestimates how much people use pornography and how annoyed they will be to have it censored. Most people don't care about censoring most things because it doesn't affect them but this will upset enough people to get them motivated.

Wouldn't it be funny if after all the bad things our successive governments have done, after all the freedoms they have taken away and after all the times they have used increasingly draconian laws to invade our privacy, that porn would be the issue to create mass protests.

Oh what a wonderful world.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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And 99% of households would "opt-in", because people like Internet porn, thereby making it a complete waste of money, time, and resources.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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I wonder, considering the article said nothing about the effects of porn on young kids, the effects it would have on a young kid to watch porn, grow up versus not watching porn, and growing up. I use to watch porn when I was very little all the time, on HBO! I mean, I just got done breast-feeding a few years ago, and I'm still wanting some tits! Though I have no idea why I'm feeling a feeling!

But in seriousness, I don't see how prematurely sexualizing kids is detrimental to them. It's completely natural to want to know more about sex at a very early age. DON'T LET THE KIDS KNOW HOW THEY CAME TO BE, WE MUST NOT LET THEM KNOW!!! Anyone have any info on kids being messed up because of watching porn at an early age?



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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The best thing for children is complete uncensored freedom of speech.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by EssenSieMich
The best thing for children is complete uncensored freedom of speech.




Speech I have no issue with...free abuse..now thats another issue.

No one has 'the right' to abuse kids...no one...anywhere.


R



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Considering you think porn contributes to the amount of kids being raped, I want to ask you how it's child abuse when the child itself stumbles across the images themselves? How is hurtful to them when they are going to be doing the same exact acts themselves probably not even a decade later, and then have the next eighty years having to deal with sex?

Plus, there is no need for this bill. If you are smart in the least bit, you would realize the amount of content you can download to actually block out porn-related images, and then the more serious stuff like trojans and worms. I never have to see one ad on my browser. Google has the parental blocks option, which is actually really effective considering if you are out to look for the blocked images, the only way you can find them is if you turn off the block. Also, not just Google, but every other search engine that isn't a booble. (Booble = the porn version of Google.)

What happens when the Animal Planet shows two animals having sex? Is it child-abuse? I'm guessing it's not natural for that to happen, and the kids will need to extensive therapy just to make sure they turn out alright. If sex is so bad for children, then pretty much every source of entertainment should be blocked from children, considering the amount of death and gore there is in the world. Can't have any sexual innuendo's either. That's going to require three years of therapy for little Timmy and Cristine!



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
This can be done, our legal system is very like Australias and they have banned a whole slew of things. The UK also has bans on violent and some fetish pornography so the legal precidents are there to make this happen and the technology isn't difficult to implement as ISP's already have systems in place to ban certain websites. However it won't work, it's easy enough to circumvent filtering and anyone who wants to can learn how within 5 minutes of internet searching.

I think the government rather underestimates how much people use pornography and how annoyed they will be to have it censored. Most people don't care about censoring most things because it doesn't affect them but this will upset enough people to get them motivated.

Wouldn't it be funny if after all the bad things our successive governments have done, after all the freedoms they have taken away and after all the times they have used increasingly draconian laws to invade our privacy, that porn would be the issue to create mass protests.

Oh what a wonderful world.




But this isnt about ' censoring' or 'banning' anything. Here is Au we/our gov did get that wrong, and rightly so, ppl protested the gov's intention to censor the net - as I did would again too.
This though is NOT about net censorship or banning ANY content or anything like that.

This is about changing the structure of how you do view the 'anything' you feel entitled to view and want to keep freely available - a structure that is, finally, in favor of or FOR the protection of children from the consequences of early sexualisation and the promotion of their freedom to choose what they will put into their own minds, which I am FOR 100%.

We put seatbelts in cars for the same reason....we found something that worked, spared lives, spared needless suffering and so we implemented it as a part of our social responsibility to each other. PPL still bitch about them today..even though they work..even though they have saved lives....often their own.

I am sorry people dont feel that same level of responsility to childrens mental rights..but thats not my problem.

People seem to have lost sight of what freedom really is..and what it isnt.


R



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