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Myths told by Muslims.

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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Some excepts from the much larger article,



The Myth:

Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.

The Truth:

An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.




The Myth:

Islam’s Western apologists sometimes claim that since the Arabic word, Jihad, literally means “fight” or “struggle,” it refers to an “inner struggle” rather than holy war.

The Truth:

In Arabic, "jihad" means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.

The Qur’an specifically exempts the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95), which would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of character development.




The Myth:

Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense - and when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.

The Truth:

Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not part of his growing empire.

After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together with blood and violence.

Source



The article covers other topics like the treatment of women, tolerance of other religions, and slave trade. The media likes to paint Muslims are victims and oppressed but this isn't the case. Once they come into power if you're aren't a Muslim you get second class citizenship under the Dhimmi status and have to pay a higher tax.



edit on 19-12-2010 by TinFoilHatMan55 because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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A little more information On muhhamed here: en.wikipedia.org... (Np pictures obviously)

Good find Op



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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reply to post by TinFoilHatMan55
 


Well thanks but you know the apologist they will come and tell you that you are nothing but a hatemonger.

Still Islam can never hide the true intentions and those is to conquer by any means necessary.

Why is that so hard for apologist to understand/ because they have never taken the time to read the real Islamic laws taught to their converters the ones that are of not public knowledge, only for those that research

Islam can never cohexist with any other religion because that is the law.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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reply to post by marg6043
 


lets be fair here, EVERY RELIGION spreads myths about other religions so they look better in other people's eyes



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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That is true and the reason I do not follow any organize religion and am no believer of Christianity.

But Islam laws are only one and those can never be changed.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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reply to post by HomerinNC
 


lets be fair to ourselves and use our brains, and read this thread
abovetopsecret.com...

imagine the world we could create if we thought beyond religion and put faith and belief in ourselves, using that to help others!!

if you've not seen it, keisha crowthers talk in zurich says it all- part 1- www.youtube.com...

part 2- www.youtube.com...

and a bit about 2012 by the same girl- www.youtube.com...

religion needs to die, stop giving them your Power/Energy!

namaste, nufflove



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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so youre saying Islam laws are the only laws one should follow?
just curious



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Islam does mean submission/surrender to God (or Allah for you people who don't believe they are the same God) but it is very closely related to the word for Peace. Arabic is a very different language from the Western romantic language we are familiar with and words can have very different meaning but be closely related.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Thanks for posting a well reasoned explanation based on FACTS. I know Muslims and Islamists. I've interrogated them. They've shot at me in two separate areas of operations - a lot. They blew up a truck in front of mine.
I know the apologists will be here saying they were doing that because evil we were invading and oppressing them but I know equally as surely that they have not had the same on ther ground experience I have with them so I don't place a lot of faith in the veracity of their opinions. I've studied them (my MOS pretty much made that a pre-requisite) both in books and in person. And, no, they're not all evil baby eaters. But there are those who will do anything to twist and subvert a perfectly decent religion to suit their own needs/goals.
S&F. Well thought out and accurate. Thanks. Lets see if we can keep this at least somewhat civil. I won't take bets on that but one can hope.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Under Islamic laws the laws of Islam are above any other, regardless of what apologist are telling, that is part of the Islamic indoctrination of males.

The True Religion, THE RELIGION OF ISLAM


The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form.


islamworld.net...

Non-Believers Under Muslim Law


Discussed in this essay are the laws and status of those persons in Islamic lands who are not Muslims. This group is mainly composed of Jews and Christians, called dhimmis. What is important about this topic is it communicates better than any other method the true historic beliefs of Muslims towards Westerners. Therefore, it indicates how a good Muslim should view a non-believer, especially if they ever achieve control of a formerly non-Islamic state, like America.


islamworld.net...

Is a reason why once Islam followers enter a none muslim nation the job is to try and find ways to change the laws in the nations they are migrating to accept their laws, but none will try to take the laws already in the land as their own they want change.

The Prerequisites of the Declaration of Faith

www.islamworld.net...

HOW TO BECOME A MUSLIM,

"If unyone desires a religion other than Islam (Submission to Allah), Never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (their selves in the hell fire)."(Qur'an 3:85)

www.islamworld.net...









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posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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do you follow these laws?



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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I am not a religious follower and while I like to study religion I do it for his historical value, I am amazed how people can fall for religion so blindly in many instances.

I am not a Christian believer either but I was born and baptized and married in the Catholic church as that was the religion of my mother, my father is a fundamentalist seventh day adventist.

I raised my children (now adults) to chose as they wish so far they have chosen none, like me they question religion and its intention.



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Dec, 19 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by TinFoilHatMan55


The Myth:

Lesser educated Muslims sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is “peace” in Arabic.

The Truth:

An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.



While the article misrepresents common understanding, and hides it by using the qualifier "Lesser educated Muslims" (heck, lesser educated muslims could also claim that the root word of Islam is "computer" or "potato" or "cheese"...what we want is what the educated muslims say, or what the proper understanding is), it misrepresents the truth as well:
The word Islam shares a root with the word salaam, which means "peace". All this "al-silm" (al- means "the", and isn't part of the word anyhow) digressions are irrelevant. Yes, it is true that in arabic, most words have only one root, but that doesn't follow (what the article is trying to make it do) that all roots have only one word coming from them...which would be silly. BOTH "Islam" and "Salaam" come from the SAME tri-consonantal root- s-l-m, which means "safety".
Semitic Root Repository - s l m


The other myths are hardly any more correct. "Jihad" literally means "struggle". In Islam, it is used to mean "struggling in the path of God" (the whole term generally used is "Jihad fi sabilillah"). It can be physical struggle (of which yes, fighting is a part, among other things), and it can mean spiritual struggle (of which there is a hadith which calls this form of struggle the "greater Jihad").

And Muhammad having to participate in military campaigns is hardly indicative of Islam requiring offensive or aggressive war. Aside from the Quran prohibiting this, the muslims were most certainly oppressed heavily in those years.


reply to post by marg6043
 

Hey marg...I'm not sure what you is trying to say either...almost all religions I know (and most conscious adherents of those religions) would consider their faith more important than the law of the land. Just because Christianity does (in general) not provide a whole lot of "laws", doesn't mean others are the same. Thing is, in general, most laws of most countries are not so oppressive as to target any religions- if a country comes up with a law that prohibits people from eating kosher food, do you think that all practising jews will stop eating kosher food, and completely accept the law? No, they will oppose the law publicly and many will, probably eat kosher food in secret.

But all this is moot point. You brought up this before in another thread, and I asked for an explanation, but perhaps my request got lost in the barrage of islam-hate posts (not directly by you, of course) in that thread (I think it blew up to 20 pages in a couple of hours, all with the same nonsense). So...what laws exactly have muslims attempted to change, and in which countries?

PS: I am not meaning to offend in any way, and I hope you don't take it the wrong way, I swear I'm not trying to be condescending or superior or anything, I just wished to point out, since I've seen you do this before also in other threads, for your own knowledge, that it is "non-muslims" (i.e. people who are not muslims). When one wishes to negate the word (in this case "muslims") by adding a non- in front of it. The way you are saying (i.e. none muslims) means something different.

Apologies for interrupting with the lesson

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posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Nice unbiased source.





In Arabic, "jihad" means struggle. In Islam, it means holy war.


Islam is not a language. How can there be a meaning for a word in a religion, that differs from the actual meaning. That makes zero sense.

Radical Islam is indeed a problem in the world. You however, are no different from people seeing Communists around every corner during the Cold War.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:02 AM
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It IS "funny" when people single out one religion over the others. Your rants about Jews are no different from these rants against Muslims.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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What my point is all along in many threads is that Islam is not a religion but the set of laws from where the religion is base.

In other worlds just like the US is a nation of laws so Islam is a set of laws also.

That is why it will always come into conflict with the nations they are invading or migrating into, their goal is not to become citizens and abide by the laws of the none Muslim nation but to change those existing laws to accommodate for the ones of Islam in their benefits.

This has brought conflict already in many nations like UK and Australia to name some.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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The Koran and Islam, to me anyway, just seems evil, just like that weird sharia (spelling?) law. Mohamed was one sick twisted man who had a fetish for children it seems. Is Christianity any better though? I'm sure there is a rule about killing non-believers, I suppose we don't stone innocent people for silly things or allow our children to be abused at a young age.

Waiting for Ooozyism in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1..........................



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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Mohamed was one sick twisted man who had a fetish for children it seems.


You are so wrong it should hurt your head. Thankfully, only fools will read your opinion and take it as fact. There are many rebuttals to that silly assumption of yours, but I will refrain from posting even one as it has been done many times before, you're just showing an agenda or even worse, following one without realizing it.



posted on Dec, 20 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Actually, I did a little research into the subject, and I'm not wrong, the guy married a 6 year old and popped her cherry when she was 9, it is just wrong on many levels.



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